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Jono B said:
Rubbish, Davey and Watson were far better than Dyson. Both of them did thier jobs today, while Dysons job is to hit targets and provide tackling pressure he did neither
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yeah ok were you even at the game??? cameras fail to show that there is other options than where the ball is.. watson constantly put team mates under pressure with his handballs instead of backing his kicking ability.. just kick it long

davey i love and yes i was the one cheering the loudest when he did something with the ball or chased a player.. he is exciting to watch but unfortuantly he has to do that more often than he is currently

today i saw dyson run hard all day present well, go hard at contests and hit some good targets.. he is not my whipping boy
 
donsman4eva said:
Dyson will not be dropped. He is playing good footy, he is just our new whipping boy. If you watch his game unbiasedly, you will see he is a good player, gets into plenty of space and generally uses the ball well. All he lacks is confidence, which he would gain if Sheeds actually plays him on the ground more and less on the bench.
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did you realise the game was at the mcg today? (cause i don't reckon you watch the game}
you must not have,otherwise you would be calling for dysons head aswell.
turned the ball over 6 times which resulted in 4 hawthorn goals, and twice kicked the ball terrible to courtney johns and lucas when they were on a gret lead.

i sayat least campo would of hit there chest
 
i have seen that the majority of you seem to think dyson is a good player but is down on confidence, therefore wouldnt you like to see him dropped and get some confidence up in the vfl? johns i think needs to gain a hell of a lot of fitness before playing much afl footy, went to the game and was watching him for a lot of the day and he just simply doesnt provide enough quality leads. is a strong bodied player capable of being a powerhouse forward however needs to gain fitness. our midfeild werent too bad at 3 quarter time we were winning clearences 33 to 22 (thats what it said on the screen at the G anyway) dont know what the stats were, that highlights the need to have JJ back... we just were absolutely woeful in disposal... with our game plan focusing on our short kicks disposal is vital. we were shithouse today and thats why we got belted. we had more posessions both contested and uncontested from memory, more tackles, more hard ball gets.. pretty much beating them in every aspect of the game expect for forward 50 entries. this is because our disposal let us down and we lost it somewhere in the midfeild..
 
Why do you guys always target the same whipping boys every week...Bolton and Dyson? I would be far more concerne about the output from Lovett and Mark Johnson. Although Johnson has a crack, the game looks to have passed him by. Lovett on the other hand appears to be a front runner....only wants to do the flashy things. Is it time to give him a wake-up call with Bendigo or is he one of Sheeds untouchables?
 

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always right said:
Why do you guys always target the same whipping boys every week...Bolton and Dyson? I would be far more concerne about the output from Lovett and Mark Johnson. Although Johnson has a crack, the game looks to have passed him by. Lovett on the other hand appears to be a front runner....only wants to do the flashy things. Is it time to give him a wake-up call with Bendigo or is he one of Sheeds untouchables?
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Yeah, sadly for MJ the game has passed him by on the bigger grounds. Could still be effective at Telstra Dome.

Lovett has hot and cold moments but he is still waaaaaayyyyyy more value than either Bolton or Dyson.
 
always right said:
Why do you guys always target the same whipping boys every week...Bolton and Dyson? I would be far more concerne about the output from Lovett and Mark Johnson. Although Johnson has a crack, the game looks to have passed him by. Lovett on the other hand appears to be a front runner....only wants to do the flashy things. Is it time to give him a wake-up call with Bendigo or is he one of Sheeds untouchables?
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Agree Bolton cops it for no apparent reason, saw the game televised but from what i saw the scoreline would of been bigger without him.

Dyson deserves flak for his performance today had several turnovers and a few innefective disposals out of a mere 14.

Lovett has the ability to add so much at any given time its almost a formality to have him in the team, also with a few exceptions most small forwards struggle to impact week in week out.

MJ I said last week needs a run in the 2s. He is either unable to handle Essendons new game style or has totally lost touch with modern footy.
 
I couldn't help but think the same thing today in relation to our midfield. I for one was one of the few that had big expectations for this year, but our midfield problem is definitely an issue.

It appears other teams seem to be able to run more and have a higher level of workrate. I know our mids will develop and get better but the main problem is that most other teams have star players in their midfield whom are generally young and still developing.

I'll remain optimistic, but I feel something needs to be done to fix our midfield, I'm hoping the answers will come from Bendigo and our injury list, but I'm not too sure if it will.
 
I agree with a few other posters here...

Dyson needs a run in the 2nd's. I won't say he won't be an AFL player - it took Winders and Stants some time. Just his disposal under pressure needs some work. And Watson needs a run back in the seconds for the same reason.

I am a John's fan... but he should have worked harder then he did today. There were several times where he went missing in action. I think this was his 16th AFL game - very few big men come good this early, and experience will help his game: he sprayed his kicks a couple of times when trying to snap a goal - a bit of experience should give him the composure he needs. And I agree - he needs to work on his fitness as he could be a handy player up the field also.

I thought Bolton was good today. Sure, he's never going to be a star, but he deserved the kick in the seniors. I thought he beat his opponent.
 
Not sure how Johns managed to get into the midfield debate but he wasnt our problem today, well apart from his snap shots for goal. There is no doubt he still has a bit to learn as far as his leading goes and he is still a little short in the overall base fitness area but i thought he was good enough today.

Anyway back to the midfield. There has been a lot of comment but i think the problem is simple. Pev, Stanton and JJ are the only ones who give us any real hard running and you simply need more. If you havnt got star midfielders then you need 6 or 7 blokes willing to work to the same level as Pev and Stants have this year (aka Sydney). When guys come off the bench they need to have an impact. Our best running mids are really 2nd,3rd and 4th string players. We simply lack a couple of real class mids or another 3 who can work to the same level as Stanton and Pev.
The inexperience of our back up rucks is a probelem as is the fact that our number 1 ruckman is not going anywhere.
 
If we are to begin taking risks with our team selection, then in no particular order...Sheedy should be looking at dropping MJ, Monfries, Johns and Heff. Bolton and Dyson arent permanent fixtures, so thats a no brainer. Laycock is needed despite his lack of ability and Monfries is part of our future, desipte his average form so far this season.
 

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Crave said:
If we are to begin taking risks with our team selection, then in no particular order...Sheedy should be looking at dropping MJ, Monfries, Johns and Heff. Bolton and Dyson arent permanent fixtures, so thats a no brainer. Laycock is needed despite his lack of ability and Monfries is part of our future, desipte his average form so far this season.
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Johns doesnt deserve to get dropped..Lovett needs a reality check..Sheeds should drop him for the shock value to Andy and the message it sends to the team...
 
Crave said:
If we are to begin taking risks with our team selection, then in no particular order...Sheedy should be looking at dropping MJ, Monfries, Johns and Heff. Bolton and Dyson arent permanent fixtures, so thats a no brainer. Laycock is needed despite his lack of ability and Monfries is part of our future, desipte his average form so far this season.
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Apart from a lack of experience in leading too far up at times what exactly did Johns do wrong to warrant being dropped ?. Kicked two, set up two goals. The only real poor area was his couple of snap shots that went miles away.
 
Lets be honest, if Lloyd had been available, fit and firing....Johns wouldnt be our primary target up forward and would only be used at the discretion of the coach. What has he done while Lloyd has been available?
 
I found out nothing I didnt already know today.

We are still developing, and the area which needs most developing and is our achillis heal is clearly our midfield, both class, quality and work rate through the middle. Contested ball is another area which needs addressing. I have always said that results mean little this season, our development is key. Thus far, our midfield clearly needs lots of attention.

The game was won and lost in this area. Franklin was simply a result of the problem. Again, I thought our forwardline and backline didnt go too badly, all things considered. We gave them little chance.

We will get exposed through there this season, get used to it. We have to persist with players, and introduce players. We need to make sure guys like Houli, Lonergan, Hislop, Dempsey & Nash can be given some time in the seniors this year, to fast track our improvement next year.

It's not all doom and gloom as many think here, we just have to realise what position we are in. We arent there yet, we are still developing. Our achillies heal is getting exposed, the blue print is out. Thats ok, hopefully it means the problem can be addressed sooner rather than later.
 
Crave said:
Lets be honest, if Lloyd had been available, fit and firing....Johns wouldnt be our primary target up forward and would only be used at the discretion of the coach. What has he done while Lloyd has been available?
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Kicked a couple against the Pies as the thrid target. Not a big game stats wise but 2 goals is 2 goals. Tends to be wasted a bit as the third tall so i agree in a way and that is if we are not going to use him more then another small may as well be playing.
 
What about McVeigh in the middle more? He's got some class. Or Monfries to be given more of a run in the middle? He will win some hard balls.

I think Sheedy's reluctance on Houli is despite the amount of ball he gets, his decision making / disposal isn't any better then anyone else's. And he's also wanting to inject pace into the side - Lonegan isn't lightning - he's a hard at it player.
 

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If he played CHF he could lead up the ground as much as he wants may solve some of our problems in getting the ball past the centre. This drags a key defender away from the arc leaves space for Lloyd and Lucas to lead into. Easy game from the sidelines anyway! Johns that is.
 
NathanS said:
What about McVeigh in the middle more? He's got some class. Or Monfries to be given more of a run in the middle? He will win some hard balls.

I think Sheedy's reluctance on Houli is despite the amount of ball he gets, his decision making / disposal isn't any better then anyone else's. And he's also wanting to inject pace into the side - Lonegan isn't lightning - he's a hard at it player.
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Monfries has had a few runs in the middle and has had such a small impact that poeple obviously havnt noticed he has been there.
 
What we need are players like Winderlich, Nash etc guys who can win the footy and deliver the ball with pace and precision. Today we had Hird, JJ, Pev and watson all in at the centre bounces at various stages and we just arent quick or accountable enough when two or three are in at the same time.

We just dont have the right balance at the minute and when we do have a good balance the guys we put in their just arent of the quality of some of the better teams.
 
We all know what Sheedy's answer to our midfield problems will be......

welcome back Scott Camporeale and Kepler Bradley next week against the Kanagas.
 
ant555 said:
Kicked a couple against the Pies as the thrid target. Not a big game stats wise but 2 goals is 2 goals. Tends to be wasted a bit as the third tall so i agree in a way and that is if we are not going to use him more then another small may as well be playing.
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Another small forward would be the way to go, especially if the ball hits the deck more often than not. Lucas took 4 marks yesterday as our most potent forward. Only need to look at the Kangas and how theyve managed without a leading forward and their use of Matt Campbell....

If our midfield werent so ordinary, we could have Davey kicking 3+ goals most games, even at this early stage in his career.
 

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