List Mgmt. midfielders please....

[tigerz18]

at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

 

[Mr Magic]

at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

So who are our good tall backmen and forwards??

They don't grow on trees and midfielders can be picked up all the time. Wait to the Cola fallout at the swans.

Honestly we need at least half a dozen more quality players.

Decision makers need to be smart, precise and for once take no short cuts witch means no recylced players on the down turn!

Why do we want a superstar player now and do a CFC re-run?

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Should look at trading our second round pick for Craig Bird. Big bodied, can win clearances and is averaging 21 disposals a game this season. Would also be an upgrade on Grigg and Jackson if given a run with role.

Also this draft is pretty shallow when it comes to potentially elite midfielders so might be wise to trade that to a Gold Coast or GWS for one of their young gun midfielders who want out. From Gold Coast I'd be looking at Lonergan and Shiel at GWS. Tom Mitchell might also want out from Sydney at the end of the year.

 

[Mr Magic]

Should look at trading our second round pick for Craig Bird. Big bodied, can win clearances and is averaging 21 disposals a game this season. Would also be an upgrade on Grigg and Jackson if given a run with role.

Also this draft is pretty shallow when it comes to potentially elite midfielders so might be wise to trade that to a Gold Coast or GWS for one of their young gun midfielders who want out. From Gold Coast I'd be looking at Lonergan and Shiel at GWS. Tom Mitchell might also want out from Sydney at the end of the year.

I think in future years depending on when the Cola changes come in we can do some big trades with Sydney.

Eg. trade high draft picks and Lids to Sydney for a Cola premiership if he wants, his chances of a premiership getting limited now. Think their might be Cola changes 2017 so Swans should win for next 3 years at least or right up there before GC/GWS, we pick up Bird, Mitchell, Parker etc...

I think it will depend on if Lids interested and when Swans have to re-shuffle list due to Cola changes. To work if we traded Lids we would need to help pay his contract I assume for Sydney to play ball because they will want cheap talent in line with generation Buddy to help their rebuild after.

I assume once the Swans get a premiership it will be easier for the Swans players to leave like players of the past such as Buddy from the Hawks.

At the end of the day what is absolute at the forefront is RFC executes well any draft picks we get , particularly high ones for best available, not only to improve team performance from the draftee development, but also the multiplier effects of attracting other talent from afar when desirable due to a more progressive boom list with high youth talent that can sell genuine premiership aspirations that are realistic!

 

[tunksy]

Need 50-100 games in martin, ellis, conca, lennon, mcdonough, vlastuin. It's our core that really needs to develop.

Too many older stop gaps on our list taking up space sadly.

knights - would have loved for him to come good but his body wont let him sadly. free but a list spot
Thomas - hard mid, stop gap arnot or helbig should've been played before him. rookie but hindsight shoulve been miles ahead for the upgrade.
A.Edwards - stop gap. Too short to be a genuine forward threat. Elton, O'hanlon shouldve gotten games ahead of him. pick 70 whatever, darrou couldve been worth the two years imo
Hampson - sorry but no it hasn't worked. griff mcbean elton and vickery can play his role. should've been another 2nd rounder.
Foley - his time is coming to an end sadly but I'm glad we stuck by him, his contract hurts however. kicking i'snt good enough anymore.
Petterd - has filled a hole for a time, shouldn't have been upgraded, now taking a kids spot.

might be harsh but: Helbig, a year too long perhaps. Newman and King's time is up and its time to move forward. Batchelor again perhaps a year too long stagnated massively and we haven't tried him anywhere else in his time.

if we want people from other clubs we must be prepared to pay for them. Vince has been a good pick up for the dees, great user by foot and gets lots of M's gained, creates run. cross, way better than thomas, absolutely proven at this level stop gap but valuable leadership and been in a very good side that made finals consistently, hard trainer.

edit: oh and go and get matt rendell too

 

[Tigerbob]

Should look at trading our second round pick for Craig Bird. Big bodied, can win clearances and is averaging 21 disposals a game this season. Would also be an upgrade on Grigg and Jackson if given a run with role.

Also this draft is pretty shallow when it comes to potentially elite midfielders so might be wise to trade that to a Gold Coast or GWS for one of their young gun midfielders who want out. From Gold Coast I'd be looking at Lonergan and Shiel at GWS. Tom Mitchell might also want out from Sydney at the end of the year.

Sydney won't accept a second rounder for Bird but yep he's a top player.

We don't have enough first round picks for those players you mentioned and I'm not sure right now we could give up a say, top 6 pick for anyone. We should be drafting our own.

I love Mitchell as a player and he's the type who we could build our midfield around. Mitchell, Martin and Cotchin is dynamic and he would be the only one that would second guess myself. Plus he's young. Also a leader. And a goal kicker. Stuff it, chase him!!!

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Sydney won't accept a second rounder for Bird but yep he's a top player.

We don't have enough first round picks for those players you mentioned and I'm not sure right now we could give up a say, top 6 pick for anyone. We should be drafting our own.

I love Mitchell as a player and he's the type who we could build our midfield around. Mitchell, Martin and Cotchin is dynamic and he would be the only one that would second guess myself. Plus he's young. Also a leader. And a goal kicker. Stuff it, chase him!!!

Bird's out of contract and not sure if Sydney will have the salary space to keep him. Though he is from NSW and the way he has been playing this season he would be generating a fair bit of interest from other clubs so a second rounder might not suffice.

As for drafting our own whilst this would be my more favourable option I don't see any star midfielders in this years draft, plenty of high end flankers plus a lot of high end key position players but not midfielders. Whereas the likes of GWS and Gold Coast have potentially elite midfielders in an abundance that maybe looking to return to Victoria. Would happily offer Jackson plus our first pick for Shiel, or add in an Astbury or Grimes and try and get Shiel plus Jacksh or Tomlinson. Though it hards to evaluate how much the likes of Jackson, Astbury and Grimes are worth.

 

[JR82]

at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

just got a 2 year extension so isn't going anywhere anytime soon, the rest bar Thomas are contracted till the end of next year or later

 

[Mr Magic]

Bird's out of contract and not sure if Sydney will have the salary space to keep him. Though he is from NSW and the way he has been playing this season he would be generating a fair bit of interest from other clubs so a second rounder might not suffice.

As for drafting our own whilst this would be my more favourable option I don't see any star midfielders in this years draft, plenty of high end flankers plus a lot of high end key position players but not midfielders. Whereas the likes of GWS and Gold Coast have potentially elite midfielders in an abundance that maybe looking to return to Victoria. Would happily offer Jackson plus our first pick for Shiel, or add in an Astbury or Grimes and try and get Shiel plus Jacksh or Tomlinson. Though it hards to evaluate how much the likes of Jackson, Astbury and Grimes are worth.

TBH, if we are real our list needs some major surgery. Don't mean we turf players out on bulk. But trading players out and bringing others in with more youth would be desirable for all over the next few years IMO.

We mighn't need to get Bird this year, but if we can get him at value and or as part of a broader package deal it would not be a stupid play as he is at a good age. I think we a year or 2 off needing players for immediate impact though because we are still in a building phase but, like I said, adding Bird would not be against the grain!

 

[Mr Magic]

just got a 2 year extension so isn't going anywhere anytime soon, the rest bar Thomas are contracted till the end of next year or later

Not sure which player we are talking about but that might suit.

2 years of heavy drafting top end and then look to FA or trades with Swans/GWS due to Cola, salary cap pressures sounds about right and then we should be offloading a few more of our older and mature players.

 

[theflea]

at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

Snap x a billion.

 

[TigerImposter]

at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

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at trade and draft time if i see us get a new tall player with any of our first 5 picks, i will fair dinkum spew.

WE NEED MIDFIELDERS!! pick 3 (or top 6 pick we will get) we need a SUPERSTAR, this is the draft that our recruiment team need to earn their dollars or f* off - and not the moneyball midfielders as well like we have been getting recently (yes i am saying that ellis may not be an a-grade midfielder, Vlas, when beck, needs to start getting more possessions and time in midfield)

We desperately need midfielders to replace Grigg, Houli, Foley, Thomas, Titch and Jackson.
The fact that Jackson and Grigg have been getting decent b&f votes, is an indictment to our team. not knocking that they deserve it, but the fact that they have shows just how woeful our team is at the moment. the quicker those players are moved on, the better
The game last night, where the ball was not delivered into Griff, Maric, and Jack with any penetration, desperation, composrue and skill, not to mention how we got muscled of the ball easily showed just how off the pace our midfielders are.

We need 4-5 midfielders (and 1 ruckman really) but otherwise our tall stocks are good. our talls just need some better smalls to get them the ball.

Has been my gripe all year. Poor slow midfield tripled with a pathetic tap ruckmen and poor game
plan is a fwd line killer
Need to upgrade mids is our first priority with Jetta style wingman/HBF not voodoo dolls like Grigg and Houli

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Caine would be a nice start , silky skills and is good inside and out.

 

[TheProwler]

Don't care who as long as they can hit the side of one of these



We were supposed to have recruited quality kicks in recent years and I am not sure where they are. Conca & Ellis kick way too many high floaters which only help the opposition to spoil.

I hear this draft is heavily weighted as far as talent goes to KP players so we can't just base our first pick on a mid. A basic rule is to take the best available with every pick not just the first rounder.

I also wouldn't be banking on cola affecting too many lists at present as the AFL need Sydney to keep performing in the rugby heartland. Cola may go but the AFL will replace it with something else at least for the next five plus years.

 

[Mr Magic]

Don't care who as long as they can hit the side of one of these

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We were supposed to have recruited quality kicks in recent years and I am not sure where they are. Conca & Ellis kick way too many high floaters which only help the opposition to spoil.

I hear this draft is heavily weighted as far as talent goes to KP players so we can't just base our first pick on a mid. A basic rule is to take the best available with every pick not just the first rounder.

I also wouldn't be banking on cola affecting too many lists at present as the AFL need Sydney to keep performing in the rugby heartland. Cola may go but the AFL will replace it with something else at least for the next five plus years.

Have to go best available. So if the mids you want are not there one can't reach for thin air but rather pick best available and then get the mids you want when available through whichever source. We are working towards a premiership not any mids for 2015!

As for Cola, if things don't change at some point, ignoring other interference and injuries, Swans should win the next 2 premierships possibly 3 reasonably comfortably, biggest threats should be GC and GWS. AFL HQ will need to make a change to balance things up.

 

[JR82]

Not sure which player we are talking about but that might suit.

2 years of heavy drafting top end and then look to FA or trades with Swans/GWS due to Cola, salary cap pressures sounds about right and then we should be offloading a few more of our older and mature players.

ah it didn't work, was talking about Titch

 

[Tas]

Apparently there are good high-end KPPs this year so the better quality mids might slide a bit this year.

 

[bigstyletiger]

I really believe we are short quality mids. Ideally we need two players. A big bullocking inside mid and a fleet footed impact player - both will need to run both ways. Brayshaw and Pickett are the guys I'm most keen on this year at this stage. Both of them potentially in our range as the clubs below us will be clamouring for key position. Will be interesting to see what the club does if a highly rated key is still on the board such as Goddard or if they will consider Tom Lamb as a utility.

I think we will have pick 6 or 7 at this stage. Jon Anderson/SEN has a draft of
1. McCartin, 2. Durdin, 3. Wright, 4. Goddard, 5. Pickett, 6. Tom Lamb, 7. Jake Lever, 8. Brayshaw, 9. Clem Smith

What are people's realistic wants and why from Lamb, Pickett, Brayshaw, Smith, Duggan and Ellis (the other mids that have been thrown around as potential top 10)

 

[CHIMP MAGNET]

thanks

 

[Tigerrific]

Priority 1 should be a CHF because we haven't got one.

 

[theflea]

Priority 1 should be a CHF because we haven't got one.

Whilst we may not have 1 but we don't have a midfield either and that is the main source of our demise at the moment.

 

[SumTingWong]

I think it's garbage saying we don't have a midfield. The starting mids should be Cotchin/Deledio/Martin, not f****** Grigg/Thomas/Cotchin. Martin went into the middle for the first time in the 3rd quarter and got a clear centre clearance at his first go. Deledio and Conca at least provided a contest when they played there in the second half.
Midfield should only be Cotchin/Deledio/Martin/Conca/Ellis/Miles/Vlastuin.
Jackson on a wing as he runs all day and chases.
Would rather give games to McIntosh and O'Hanlon on a wing than Grigg.
Thomas delisted. WTF were we thinking?
No Houli either as he doesn't chase, tackle and his kicking is horrendous

Looking at that agree we need to look at drafting more pure midfielders unless Durdin or Wright are available with our first pick.

 

[Googstar]

I think the op has said it all, midfielders who are quick and skilled. Not fussed who, just what.

No more trade ins (happy to trade out), unless we can get Nicholls from Gold Coast relatively cheaply. I do not want Bird, very ordinary disposal. Time to prune the list and develop a new crop of future Tiger stars.

 

[TigerTime88]

Pickett looks exactly what we need and then next year give him 22 games with Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Vlaustin, Lennon and Pickett all spending their majority of time as mids only resting in the forward line.

Alternatively instead of taking Pickett, give pick 7 to Sydney and offer Tom Mitchell decent coin. With the salary cap stretch going on there we could surely offer more.

Cotch, Lids, Martin, Mitchell, Vlaustin

with support from Conca, Ellis, Lennon looks good!

 

[Nerflardio2424]

I really believe we are short quality mids. Ideally we need two players. A big bullocking inside mid and a fleet footed impact player - both will need to run both ways. Brayshaw and Pickett are the guys I'm most keen on this year at this stage. Both of them potentially in our range as the clubs below us will be clamouring for key position. Will be interesting to see what the club does if a highly rated key is still on the board such as Goddard or if they will consider Tom Lamb as a utility.

I think we will have pick 6 or 7 at this stage. Jon Anderson/SEN has a draft of
1. McCartin, 2. Durdin, 3. Wright, 4. Goddard, 5. Pickett, 6. Tom Lamb, 7. Jake Lever, 8. Brayshaw, 9. Clem Smith

What are people's realistic wants and why from Lamb, Pickett, Brayshaw, Smith, Duggan and Ellis (the other mids that have been thrown around as potential top 10)

say we have a pick from 5-10, best available would most likely be mcartin, goddard, Brayshaw. Pickett is the X factor we need, duggan is the well rounded damaging kick midfielder we also need, and ellis is a creative very skilful mid aswell.