Mike sheahan article on Zantuck

[itsintheblood]

Pretty much sums it up.


What's the deal with Ty Zantuck?
18 November 2004 Herald Sun

TY ZANTUCK has reached a dangerous junction in his football career path.



It is the point where clubs carefully weigh a player's talent against the perceived baggage he brings with him.

At face value, Zantuck would seem certain to be a wanted player. He is young (22), he has been in the system for five years and has played 68 games.

He matches up on players good in the air or clever at ground level in his usual role as a defender, and has indicated he is capable of playing forward.

While he never will be in a club's top 10, he should be in the best 22 for a long time.

His problem, though, is that we are in an era when there is an increasing emphasis on character and behaviour.

Players seen as potential problems, unless they are of exceptional quality, are marked harder than ever before.

Zantuck is on the outer at Richmond because of lapses in discipline on the ground coupled with colourful rumours surrounding his lifestyle and some of his associates.

The issue at Richmond came to a head when he lost his cool in the Round 21 game against Hawthorn in a tangle with Mark Williams, sparking a post-match dressing down from coach Danny Frawley and a verbal encounter with skipper Wayne Campbell.

It is has been revealed since that several members of the the leadership group and Zantuck share a lack respect for each other, although new coach Terry Wallace said recently the relationship was fractured rather than broken.

Zantuck is happy to depart Punt Rd, but there's a problem: a contract that ties him to the Tigers for one more year.

It is a commitment worth $190,000 – a base payment of $160,000 and a job at the club, valued at $30,000.

He has been reported to be on as much as $270,000, but can reach that figure only if he plays all games and earns various excellence rewards, such as a high finish in the best-and-fairest.

He is training alone in the hope of being picked up in the pre-season draft.

Zantuck was almost an Essendon player at the end of draft week, but the two clubs missed the deadline by 30 seconds and the trade fell through.

Essendon is believed to be one of two clubs wrestling with the idea of picking him.

The Kangaroos and Melbourne, both interested earlier, have dropped off.

Fortunately for him, Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy has a sense of adventure and a history of reviving careers, even if his success rate isn't 100 per cent.

The odds are Sheedy would like the Zantuck challenge. He still is disappointed he didn't follow a hunch and draft Martin Pike in 2000.

Sheedy's then support staff said he would carry total responsibility if he took the risk, Essendon passed and Pike went to Brisbane on selection No. 33.

He now has three Brisbane premierships to add to his one at North Melbourne.

Twelve months ago, Sheedy ignored much negative comment about Justin Murphy, his judgment vindicated when the former Richmond, Carlton and Geelong midfielder played 23 games and finished seventh in the best-and-fairest.

Sheedy returns to work today after a family holiday in Queensland. The Zantuck situation will be high on his list of matters to be addressed.

Sheedy-speak might go something like this: "Wellman's gone; good player, Wellman. Wellman and Barnard for Salmon; not a bad deal, that. Zantuck, 22, Wellman retired . . . yeah."

But, if it happens, it will be on Sheedy's terms.

Zantuck's father, Shane, who played with North Melbourne, South Melbourne and Melbourne, said neither Ty nor he wished to be interviewed.

 

[jezza]

We NEED to be rid of this cancer, moving him on has many advantages for us and even though I am normally dead against it, I would be happy for the club to be continuing to pay part of his salary.

1. We clear a space on the list so we can pick 2 players in the PSD, the best leftover kid (of which there are some good ones to choose from) and a ruckman
2. We should hopefully end up saving money (depending on how much we would have to contribute) which would allow us to get more rookies
3. We are rid of a disruptive, disrespectful element at the club who would be a bad influence on all the kids. We want players at the club who want to play for Richmond for life, Ty does not.

Please Kevin Sheedy, show your old team some sympathy and take him off our hands.

 

[itsintheblood]

We NEED to be rid of this cancer, moving him on has many advantages for us and even though I am normally dead against it, I would be happy for the club to be continuing to pay part of his salary.

1. We clear a space on the list so we can pick 2 players in the PSD, the best leftover kid (of which there are some good ones to choose from) and a ruckman
2. We should hopefully end up saving money (depending on how much we would have to contribute) which would allow us to get more rookies
3. We are rid of a disruptive, disrespectful element at the club who would be a bad influence on all the kids. We want players at the club who want to play for Richmond for life, Ty does not.

Please Kevin Sheedy, show your old team some sympathy and take him off our hands.

I know it's probably a last resort but if we don't manage to offload this piece of rubbish, maybe the club can simply tell him to have a 12mth rest before being delisted. So we pay his minimum salary and be done with it. I'd rather that than having him poison the new kids with his suckhole attitude.

 

[sante]

Ty its time to leave.......Bling Bling.....goodbye




Bling Bling

 

[jezza]

I know it's probably a last resort but if we don't manage to offload this piece of rubbish, maybe the club can simply tell him to have a 12mth rest before being delisted. So we pay his minimum salary and be done with it. I'd rather that than having him poison the new kids with his suckhole attitude.

I think it will be harder for him than for anyone else at the club to get a game in the seniors, he will really have to pull his head in and train the house down to even come into consideration.

 

[oxx]

Lmao

 

[itsintheblood]

I think it will be harder for him than for anyone else at the club to get a game in the seniors, he will really have to pull his head in and train the house down to even come into consideration.

Sounds like it's too late jezza. He's burnt too many bridges by the sounds of it. A chip off the old block is Ty. Just like his old man.

 

[Weaver]

It is a commitment worth $190,000 – a base payment of $160,000 and a job at the club, valued at $30,000.

The hope will be that he chooses less money for more years.

For example he might get that $190k of us and then be out of footy after not getting a game for a season.

On the other hand he might see a $100k x 2 year deal at Essendon as a chance to make a clean start, not be out of pocket in the long run and be able to actually make up the difference in match payments which he won't at Richmond.

If Richmond come to the party by taking on say $50k of the base payment each year the Bombers won't really be out of pocket.

Hopefully a deal can still be done.

 

[jezza]

That's some good reasoning Weaver, I think by staying at Richmond he will be doing major damage to his chances of ever playing AFL again.

 

[jack did it]

this guy looked like a good type three or four yrs ago what happened??? what has he done that is so bad???????

 

[Croat tiger]

mike sheehan is a do do head he alway's targets our club because he has nothing else write about and he does'nt have a brain to think about other
issues in the afl and besides we sell papers for his employer. grow a brain
and get a life loser!

 

[itsintheblood]

mike sheehan is a do do head he alway's targets our club because he has nothing else write about and he does'nt have a brain to think about other
issues in the afl and besides we sell papers for his employer. grow a brain
and get a life loser!

Yeah but what he writes about zantuck is spot on. You can't be critical on this articl cause all of it is factual. Zantuck is headcase.

 

[oxx]

this guy looked like a good type three or four yrs ago what happened??? what has he done that is so bad???????

Dear Jack,
IMO The whole Zantuck saga has been magnified by 10x.

The guy told a couple of the seniors what he thought of their leadership qualities which to me shows more leadership than our current group
who seem more content stroking each-others disfuntional egos and love pumps.

I also believe that Zanners is being judged by the company he keeps.
LMAOOO@The club saying who u can and cant be friends with.

I for one was content with his rag-doll shaking of that hawthorn gimp
but it obviously was no more than an opportunity for his detractors
to lay the foundations for his demise.

LMAOO Mike Sheehan u fukken old queen.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

If our leadership group consists of Campbell and Gaspar then I'd dark on them as well. The sooner we get these so called "leaders" moving on the better. I'm more inspired by watching fly fishing than these two half-arsed buttercups. Leadership my ring! I didn't mind the aggression Zanners shows, was more critical of the lack of support from his so-called team mates.

 

[itsintheblood]

Zantuck is an alcoholic bum who leads a poor example.

 

[Weaver]

IMO The whole Zantuck saga has been magnified by 10x.

Rubbish. Zantuck drinks too much, parties too hard and has a string of nightclub fights and missed training sessions behind him. He has publically bagged teammates.

He is the kind of guy who is only prepared to make the absolute minimum commitment and thinks only of himself.

We would be well rid of him.

Step 1 might be getting good young players but step 2 in ensuring that the club culture promotes commitment and excellence, not just a cruisy party atmosphere.

 

[celtic_pride]

Rubbish. Zantuck drinks too much, parties too hard and has a string of nightclub fights and missed training sessions behind him. He has publically bagged teammates.

He is the kind of guy who is only prepared to make the absolute minimum commitment and thinks only of himself.

We would be well rid of him.

Step 1 might be getting good young players but step 2 in ensuring that the club culture promotes commitment and excellence, not just a cruisy party atmosphere.

Carlton have a lack of quality defenders and I thought that perhaps the Blues would be interested, but if what you said is true, than I doubt Carlton and Rap Master Dennis P would be interested in getting another 'dubious' charcter like Zantack down to Optus Oval.
We got burnt once with Laurie Angwin, I doubt we will make that same mistake again.

 

[itsintheblood]

Carlton have a lack of quality defenders and I thought that perhaps the Blues would be interested, but if what you said is true, than I doubt Carlton and Rap Master Dennis P would be interested in getting another 'dubious' charcter like Zantack down to Optus Oval.
We got burnt once with Laurie Angwin, I doubt we will make that same mistake again.

We'll give you zantuck for nothing and even throw in a set of steak knives.

 

[Weaver]

We got burnt once with Laurie Angwin, I doubt we will make that same mistake again.

And Cameron Croad despite whatever the official story is. Pagan will tolerate a bit but dumped Pike when he had to. It was the subject of much debate at the time but Thomas quickly showed Capuano and Lawrence the door. Richmond quietly offed Marty McGrath.

The culture of a club is perhaps the most important thing. Sure have a few late nights but you get to training on the Sunday and even if your sweat is pure booze you get through your 100-100s.

 

[Croat tiger]

Yeah but what he writes about zantuck is spot on. You can't be critical on this articl cause all of it is factual. Zantuck is headcase.

i agree about zantuck too but that's not what i am on about.i am on about him targeting the richmond football club because the articles he writes about us sells papers and he does'nt care wether it might
offend some supporters.the man has no scruples!

 

[1980GFVideo]

The story about Bullus running around asking fellow duds like Steven Jackson where they were going to get ********ed that night must alert you to the fact that he needs to go. What do you think a young player seeing that would think? I hate to know what Knights had to put up with around him at times

 

[tigertime]

Regarding Zantuck. I could care less what Sheehan has to say. He is a bottom feeder. He is just trying to give Zantuck to Essendon and bignote himself in the process.

NOTE: FOR ALL YOU DUMB RICHMOND FANS WHO CANT SEE THE OBVIOUS.

Zantuck must be a pretty damn good player to have a whole article written on him. Maybe you should let that sink in. You should also maybe consider that unlike his senior teammates who got rogered all year last year, zantuck didnt sit back and take it up the.... He actually gave a bit back.

If i played for the RFC last year, I would be clubbing and drinking every other night. What else could you do with the dud for coach, chumpo for captain and tony jewel trying to roger whoever he could as usual. The club was a joke. Just because Zantuck's indiscrections were publicised does not make him alone in this regard. I reckon a lot of alcohol is about all that kept us fans remotely sane last year.

Regarding the other stuff. Ben Holland had a big hand in us finishing 9th all those years. Thank god that worthless dud is gone.

The story about Bullus running around asking fellow duds like Steven Jackson where they were going to get ********ed that night must alert you to the fact that he needs to go. What do you think a young player seeing that would think? I hate to know what Knights had to put up with around him at times

 

[jezza]

So you judge players based on how many articles are written about them in the media? First you say who cares what Sheehan has to say about him, then you say he must be good because people are writing about him.

I'm sorry, but you are choosing to completely ignore the facts of the situation and the impact that one rotten apple can have on a football club. Let that sink in, then have a think, then think about it again, and then you may come back and post on the subject.

 

[tigertime]

The rotten apple was frawley. He is gone..

We still have campbell who is the biggest rotten apple..

Suck that into your thought processes.

 

[tigertime]

Nathan Brown parties really hard. Would you like to get rid of him as well???

I have publicly bagged his teammates as well. So has just about everyone else who barracks and plays for the richmond football club. Not to mention that some players told frawley where he could get off last year.

Zantucks crap teammates deserve a good bagging. Thankfully many of the duds have been delisted.

Its all double standards where Zantuck is concerned because some richmond people dont like the fact that he is arrogant about his playing ability.

Let me let you in on a little secret. We had a team of arrogant players when we used to win flags.. It wasnt a big deal back then.

The club needs some arrogance about it. I am sick of brown nosers like campbell sitting on the fence and doing nothing. Lets have some clarity here.

The negative culture all came from having spud at the helm. The change has been made. Lets not cut the list further that you have stated lacks players of any ability in this age bracket.

Rubbish. Zantuck drinks too much, parties too hard and has a string of nightclub fights and missed training sessions behind him. He has publically bagged teammates.

He is the kind of guy who is only prepared to make the absolute minimum commitment and thinks only of himself.

We would be well rid of him.

Step 1 might be getting good young players but step 2 in ensuring that the club culture promotes commitment and excellence, not just a cruisy party atmosphere.