Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

GreyCrow

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This Family Search website seems to be pretty good. How does it differ from Ancestry dot com. I notice Family Search is FREE?! There must be a catch
Family Search is an adjunct of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints aka Mormons

They are based in Utah and family genealogy is part of their spiritual remit. There is a vast vast record collection in their mountain hideaway

Ancestry and FindMyPast and MyHeritage et al all BUY collections from Family Search , volunteers, individuals or Councils records that have sprung up over the last 20 years online

ie Sussex Council have been negotiation with companies for 3-4 years and people who want to search that English county have been waiting waiting
 

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rbartlett

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Alby Yeo, 5 games for Ess in 1958, Glenelg & West Adelaide before that, is listed as being born on 6 November 1933 everywhere, but was almost certainly actually born in 1929.
This list in 1953 has him aged 23.
FindaGrave also lists him as being born on 6/11/1929.

And his death on 10 June 2014 hasn't seemed to be recorded anywhere.

Oliver Gigacz *Paul*
Do these player updates from over last few days need to go on the spreadsheet ? Or is AFL aware ?
 

killer

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Alby Yeo, 5 games for Ess in 1958, Glenelg & West Adelaide before that, is listed as being born on 6 November 1933 everywhere, but was almost certainly actually born in 1929.
This list in 1953 has him aged 23.
FindaGrave also lists him as being born on 6/11/1929.

And his death on 10 June 2014 hasn't seemed to be recorded anywhere.

Oliver Gigacz *Paul*
Peter Yeo's Uncle
Also played for Sandy Bay
 

ThePope

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With this Yeosness, AF has David as being the father of Peter.

Could Alby and David be brothers?
Yes they are. Mentioned, along with Sinclair, in this Riverland Weekly article. Not exactly clear if Dave is the grandfather though. Does mention Ben's mum as Pru, so you might want to look for Dave's death notice too.
 

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35Daicos

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The (grandson) Will mentioned would be Will Slade, former Geelong player, who was a half-brother to Ben Sinclair. With (Ben's father) Peter Sinclair having also been a VFL(/AFL) player, it's a pretty remarkable family story that one!
 

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Jack Fisher, 2 games for Hawthorn in 1947, ex Cheltenham, Braybrook & Footscray Jnrs appears to have died on 10 July 2015 (DOB matches), aged 93.
I think I found his war record, based on the death notice, but it has his DOB as 26 Jan, not 22.. Not listed in Hawthorn's war service list.

Not listed in the 2016 AFL season guide, so probably should go onto the spreadsheet, and the Hawks notified.
 

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6 *Desmond 'Des' Clyde Bell b:23/5/1923 Melb 1946-1948 alive in 2016
7 *Ronald "Ron" Arthur Bickley b:21/10/1926 Fitz 1949-1951 alive #post 561 April 2 2018
13 *Alfred Joseph Callick b:14/8/1925 SthMelb 1943,1946-1950 alive in 2016
36 *Gordon Stanley Green b:31/5/1925 NthMelb 1942 alive in 2017
68 *James "Jim" Malone b:13/11/1925 NthMelb 1945-52 still living as of March 29 2018


11 Henry "Harry" John Brown b:16/10/1903 St Kilda 1927
12 Samuel Otto John Buck b:15/11/1876 Carlton 1897
18 Jack Louis Cliff b:23/5/1919 StK 1940-42
21 Eugene Francis "Frank" Corby b:24/12/1924 Coll:1948
22 Frederick "Fred" Rowland Coulsell b:17/12/1905 Nth:1927,Ess 1931
23 Robert "Bobby" Ritchie Craig b:29/3/1882 Melb 1902
33 James "Jimmy" Gaynor b:17/5/1877 Carl 1904
34 Maxwell "Max" Herbert Glass b:2/10/1925 Sth 1945
39 Roger"Bill" Musgrove Hearn b:4/3/1914 Rich 1935
40 Edward "Ted" Page Heffernan b:16/5/1869 Carl 1897
49 Charles "Charlie" Herbert Jenkins b:17/6/1878 Fitz 1898
52 *Geoffrey John Kerr b:7/4/1925 Stk 1945;1947

54 Edmund Kirwin b:31/3/1876 StKilda 1898
59 William "Billy" Francis Roy Leahy b:7/3/1911 Foots 1934-1936
60 Thomas "Tom" Francis Lee b:11/12/1874 Coll 1897-98
63 George Lockwood b:6/12/1872 Geel 1899-1901,Coll 1902-04
71 John "Joe" Albert Marchant b:11/9/1884 StKilda 1904
72 Joseph "Joe" Thomas Marr b:9/08/1880 Carlton1900-02, Ess:1903 Died Prior 1918
74 Charlie McCartney b:26/2/1874 SthMelb 1897,Ess 1899

76 Patrick "Paddy" John McDonald b:27/3/1897 Ess 1918-19
78 John "Jack" James McKenzie b:19/8/1908 Ess 1929
84 Alfred "Alf" Carl Frank Neeson b:15/6/1914 Fitz 1935-36, Haw 1936-38
87 Michael "Mick" Joseph O'Hagan b:22/1/1878 StK 1897
88 *George Henry Prismall b:10/3/1915 Ess 1935
89 *Robert "Bob" Reid b:8/6/1924 Footscray 1948-49
90 Samuel "Sam" Alexander Reid b:17/6/1872 Carlton 1897
94 Archibald Robinson b:9/7/1890 Richmond 1911
95 Raymond Paul Ross b:2/5/1900 Ess 1921
97 Alan James "Ginger" Ryan b:26/9/1909 Melb 1932-33,Coll 1934-38
103 James "Jim" William Smith b:11/2/1887 Sth 1906
105 *Stanley Vincent Smith b:17/4/1925 Coll 1947-50
110 James "Jim" Scott Sutherland b:10/5/1900 Sth 1924
116 *Albert "Alby" Joseph Williams b:3/8/1916 NthMelb 1943
117 William "Billy" Francis Williams b:2/5/1888 StKilda 1907
118 William "Bill" Henry Woods b:21/8/1890 Geelong 1909

32 *Harry Leslie "Les" Gardner b:30/9/1923 StK 1947 alive 2014 passed away May 2019
53 *James "Jim" Francis Kirby b:21/12/1922 NthM 1946 passed away 24/8/1998 #post 796

75 *James "Jim" Kenneth McDonald b:24/6/1916 Melb 1942 To Be Confirmed

James William McDonald has the same relationship as Alan - from the List Inaccuracy Thread #post 2450

Having a look this morning and I have a concern

If we accept Alan Joseph McDonald is born 1918 ( and we do )

McDONALD Alan Joseph Birth
<Unknown Family Name>, Mary Agnes CANTWELL
<Unknown Family Name>, Howard Seaver

YARRAM 1918 24161/1918

AF has Jim McDonald born in 1916 - yet there is no matching record of a James/Jim McDonald born to the above couple.

But we then find

MCDONALD Wm David Birth
<Unknown Family Name>, Mary Agnes CANTWELL
<Unknown Family Name>, Howard Seaver

YARRAM YARRAM 1916 25868/1916

Looking at his War service record

NameMCDONALD, WILLIAM DAVID
ServiceAustralian Army
Service NumberVX90923 (V39732)
Date of Birth05 Jun 1916
Place of BirthYARRAM, VIC
And AF lists James Kenneth as 24 June 1916



ie the birth date for Jim must be different . I am happy ( for now) to concede a birth after 1920 for Jim

Added: I do think the DOB is wrong - I do agree the relationship still exists

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In the notice for Howard Sievers ( in Birth notice as Seaver) we have Donald , James , Mary, William and Alan

If we use these names we find this

MCDONALD Jas Wm Birth
<Unknown Family Name>, Mary Agnes CANTWELL
<Unknown Family Name>, Howard Seaver

ARARAT 1913 18046/1913


MCDONALD James William Death

<Unknown Family Name>, Mary Agnes CANTWELL
<Unknown Family Name>, MCDONALD Howard Sevier

Born Bendigo
Died Meeniyan

71 1984 25261/1984

More investigation needed but is it the same person and is a change needed? (yes)
 

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