Heard that Mitchell gave Crawford a 'talking to' at half time which Crawf didn't like the sound of. I don't know whats going on, but FFS can the club please sort out these petty issues so we can finally start focussing on footy? ... 
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According to Dermie Crawf doesnt like to come off he wants to be able to wear his opponant down with his stamina.But team rules dictate the rotation to remove tags and rest.So either they change the team rules and rest crawf up forward or Crawf accepts team rules and not sulk.
I think we've lost the plot. Other clubs seem to know what's expected of them but we seem to have no friggin' idea.
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It seems so, AH. When you see the improvement of youngsters in teams such as the likes of Collingwood, Richmond, Doggies, and what I saw last night Port (turning around abruptly a shambled season), there are kids enthusiastically working in with game plans as they meld with older experienced players. Why cant this happen at our club?Adelaide Hawk said:
I’ve said it before, my theory of our coaching panel being too academic in team strategy. I believe that our kids run out on the paddock with so much hypothesis of how they should play spinning around in their heads they are not coping. Let them play their natural style for which they were recruited. This would bring them into team-play mode rather than worrying about their personal survival as a member of the team.
Just my thoughts for what it is worth.
I agree. Other clubs recruit players and allow them to show what they've got. Roughead is a high marking forward, but how is he supposed to show what he's got with the way we move the ball forward (or don't)? I've been a supporter of Clarko but he's losing me, and the way our team is playing I wouldn't mind betting he's lost a few players as well.
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He is losing me too, AH.Adelaide Hawk said:
Next week A'hoy! 
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Hawk Dork said:
Sulk, the operative word.
Im with Crawf on this one. The bloke is playing in the forward line, not on ball, why rotate him? Just when he gets afew touches, gets in the game, Clarko drags him. Id be pist off too...
I seriously doubt AC will be coaching us next year.
I seriously doubt AC will be coaching us next year.
Three of our besat players sitting on the bench. I agree with Crawf, i'm sick of watching us start to move the ball better than have to see the players that are getting us back into the game being dragged. Lethal, we need you!Gary Shadforth said:
Sulk, the operative word.
Nightwolf_69 said:
I can't blame Crawf, I had the exact same look on my face at that time as well.
I am watching the Brisbane Lions today and seeing what a wonderful job Matthews has done (yet again) with this squad. Okay, having Brown and Bradshaw up forward helps a lot, but there are other reasons for the way Brisbane plays.
Where Leigh Matthews gets it right is he assembles a cross section of talent and then devises a game plan that best suits the talent at his disposal. Look at players like Corrie, Brennan, Akermanis, etc. They play with individual flair and yet still contribute to the team.
Clarko appears to have a game plan in mind and then goes about fitting square pegs into round holes. He's not using the available talent to best advantage, all in the name of a pre-conceived plan he appears unwilling to change. I don't doubt Clarko's ability and knowledge as a coach, I just wonder if he's the person we need in charge at this time of our development.
I also like the way Brisbane looked outside the field of "talented" juniors and rejects from other AFL clubs, and went for Jason Roe from North Adelaide in the SANFL. At 22 years of age he had played 2-3 years of SANFL footy and is a ready made league player. There are plenty of these types of player available in the SANFL and WAFL and we could do well to look in this area in terms of recruiting.
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I have similar thoughtsAdelaide Hawk said:
Interesting, AH, is there any way in which you can relay your thoughts onto Bucky?Adelaide Hawk said:
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Yes, Clarkson has gone rotation mad.Gilbert_Hodge said:
Those three are senior members of our leadership group. Surely at the next team meeting they will have something to say .... maybe take a copy of that photo with them. The body language says it all.
Clarko is nearly gone. Must win another 5-6 matches this year to save his head.
The youngsters aren't showing enough or are over rated something shocking. The Lions youngsters which were high picks have already shown more than our early picks which are worrying signs.
The youngsters are not being played correctly. Play them in there correcrt position and let them play their natural game.
No more of this chipping
, high possession game especially when our skills are terrible.
This rotation policy is rubbish. Don't take players off when they are making an impact, leave them on. Players should only go off when they're tired or injured, not for the sake of rotating because you can.
Everitt, Hodge, Crawford off at the one time - how did we go during that time?
Clarkson is walking a thin line, Kennett won't take such rubbish, pathetic results. We've lost to Kangaroos because Dawson was left on Thompson, we lost to Brisbane who were shocking, we lost to Melbourne by 75 pts and now SYdney 65.
Worrying signs, just as well we won 4 matches because we'd be deadset spooners otherwise. I can't see us doubling our wins tally this season.
The youngsters aren't showing enough or are over rated something shocking. The Lions youngsters which were high picks have already shown more than our early picks which are worrying signs.
The youngsters are not being played correctly. Play them in there correcrt position and let them play their natural game.
No more of this chipping
, high possession game especially when our skills are terrible.This rotation policy is rubbish. Don't take players off when they are making an impact, leave them on. Players should only go off when they're tired or injured, not for the sake of rotating because you can.
Everitt, Hodge, Crawford off at the one time - how did we go during that time?
Clarkson is walking a thin line, Kennett won't take such rubbish, pathetic results. We've lost to Kangaroos because Dawson was left on Thompson, we lost to Brisbane who were shocking, we lost to Melbourne by 75 pts and now SYdney 65.
Worrying signs, just as well we won 4 matches because we'd be deadset spooners otherwise. I can't see us doubling our wins tally this season.
In Dermies commentary he said Hawthorn training was quite physical and it was all about winning the contested ball ,but when they get on the field its all about posession and avoiding the contest.He didnt understand where that was comming from.
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Essendon versus Hawthorn for the wooden spoon unless the nosedive ceases. The way in which Clarkson is going about it could be realty come round 22.Bennycoff said:
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Makes me think Clarkson forgets about what they have done at training when he gets into the coaches' box.Hawk Dork said:
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No Way. Somebody Vs Carlton for the spoon this year. Sheeds will get crackin' soon.
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illnino said:
Hmmm ..... Illnino, let's look under your brown and gold guernsey. Do I see red and black?
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Nightwolf_69 said:
Sulking when you get dragged is for juniors, if you don't like it have a word to the coach after the game or during the week.
Pretty simple really.
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Lol. Classic.
Hell No, I just cannot see Essendon finishing 15th or 16th as I think Sheed's is better than that.
13th or 14th is more likely
Some of the comments in this thread are a joke.
The reason crawf and everitt were on the bench were that they were doing S&*t all and having little impact. I thought Taylor had more influence than Everitt and crawf was generally average. Yet rather than show leadership and keep working hard these senoir players had a sulk. Great show of leadership guys. Just what the young guys want to see.
Collingwood, Port and Syndey have a large core of well drilled and experienced players who do the team thing more times than not. It is why their youngsters can slot in and play alright.
Are the current poor efforts disappointing? Yes. Will AC be happy with them. No way.
We lack a large core of senoir players and the ones we do have have question marks about their desire, commitment and leadership when the chips are down. Im talking Everitt, Smith, Dixon and at times Crawf. After 5 years of scwab our club was in total disarray and the culture rotten to the core. We lost due to injury,age or motivation some of our more experienced bodies in holland, hay, thompson and barker. AC started the cull of players who weren't 100% for the team to try to get rid of this culture of inepititude and mediorcrity. We are in year 1 and a half of rebuilding. Obviously the process may still have some time to go or it will be some time before this leadership and experience vacuum is filled.
Hodge and Mitchell are attempting to fill the void but there is not much support around. Would you like to coach a team where your main leaders are aged 22,23 in addition to vanders? Where you cant rely on your more senoir players to put in a consistent effort each week or stand up when things arent going ur way? Where senoir players revert back to the scwab static kick to kick when the pressure is applied?
Our list is undergoing massive surgery and this will take a few years for the results to show. On performances last nite who many players in our team would have got a game for sydney?? Not many.
As carlton has showed if the tough decisions are not made quickly it can take years and years to turn things around. If AC had not made the tough decisions so quickly on his appointment I shudder to think where we would be now and in a few years time.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel, AC has drafted in a highly talented group of youngsters and cleaned out a lot of dead wood. This process will take time. If you put together an under 24 team for hawthorn I think we would have one of the best teams in the league. Give it time.
Can AC coach? Depends if u think he is trying to coach for the present or the future. We do not have a team or list that can go anywhere right at the present time. This is why players are getting tried in different positions. Why williams is being tried further up the ground to make room for Dowler in the future. When we actually have a team that is truly competitive and AC has to coach for the now then we can judge if he can truly coach. Pagan has been able to do nothing with a crap list after how many years. And there is still little light at the end of the tunnel for Carlton. There definitely is for us.
Take a breath guys and see we were widely expected to win the spoon this year. We have won four games already. We have overachieved on initial expectations. We will not win the spoon.
Hold on for the ride guys while there will be ups and downs along the way we are slowly and surely on the way up.
The reason crawf and everitt were on the bench were that they were doing S&*t all and having little impact. I thought Taylor had more influence than Everitt and crawf was generally average. Yet rather than show leadership and keep working hard these senoir players had a sulk. Great show of leadership guys. Just what the young guys want to see.
Collingwood, Port and Syndey have a large core of well drilled and experienced players who do the team thing more times than not. It is why their youngsters can slot in and play alright.
Are the current poor efforts disappointing? Yes. Will AC be happy with them. No way.
We lack a large core of senoir players and the ones we do have have question marks about their desire, commitment and leadership when the chips are down. Im talking Everitt, Smith, Dixon and at times Crawf. After 5 years of scwab our club was in total disarray and the culture rotten to the core. We lost due to injury,age or motivation some of our more experienced bodies in holland, hay, thompson and barker. AC started the cull of players who weren't 100% for the team to try to get rid of this culture of inepititude and mediorcrity. We are in year 1 and a half of rebuilding. Obviously the process may still have some time to go or it will be some time before this leadership and experience vacuum is filled.
Hodge and Mitchell are attempting to fill the void but there is not much support around. Would you like to coach a team where your main leaders are aged 22,23 in addition to vanders? Where you cant rely on your more senoir players to put in a consistent effort each week or stand up when things arent going ur way? Where senoir players revert back to the scwab static kick to kick when the pressure is applied?
Our list is undergoing massive surgery and this will take a few years for the results to show. On performances last nite who many players in our team would have got a game for sydney?? Not many.
As carlton has showed if the tough decisions are not made quickly it can take years and years to turn things around. If AC had not made the tough decisions so quickly on his appointment I shudder to think where we would be now and in a few years time.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel, AC has drafted in a highly talented group of youngsters and cleaned out a lot of dead wood. This process will take time. If you put together an under 24 team for hawthorn I think we would have one of the best teams in the league. Give it time.
Can AC coach? Depends if u think he is trying to coach for the present or the future. We do not have a team or list that can go anywhere right at the present time. This is why players are getting tried in different positions. Why williams is being tried further up the ground to make room for Dowler in the future. When we actually have a team that is truly competitive and AC has to coach for the now then we can judge if he can truly coach. Pagan has been able to do nothing with a crap list after how many years. And there is still little light at the end of the tunnel for Carlton. There definitely is for us.
Take a breath guys and see we were widely expected to win the spoon this year. We have won four games already. We have overachieved on initial expectations. We will not win the spoon.
Hold on for the ride guys while there will be ups and downs along the way we are slowly and surely on the way up.
Good post Burner - the only flaw being the gameplan.
As stated, why chip it around when the skills aren't up to it, and our entry in the forward 50 is truly shocking. Play for the future, sure, but along the way let's build some confidence, faith and genuine tenacity.
As in previous years, we can take losing for the greater good but it's the manner in which it's happening that is our greatest concern.
The natives are restless and I don't blame them.
As stated, why chip it around when the skills aren't up to it, and our entry in the forward 50 is truly shocking. Play for the future, sure, but along the way let's build some confidence, faith and genuine tenacity.
As in previous years, we can take losing for the greater good but it's the manner in which it's happening that is our greatest concern.
The natives are restless and I don't blame them.
I agree the gameplan looks terrible at the moment but when players cant hit a 20m pass let alone a 40 -50m one how are we meant to move the ball forward quickly? I think it was Dunstall or Derm who commented that this chip it around static crap is not our gameplan.
As happened at times last years our players (and those from over teams see Geelong) appear to revert to it when things arent going well. And i remeber AC getting really frustrated that players would do this. Its really hard to tell if we're instructed to play like this (i think unlikely) or the players lacking in confidence or skill (is this the coaches fault or are the players worse than we thought?).
What I was trying to convey in my post was that the senior players have been generally horrible over the last few weeks and this seems to have flooded down to the rest of the team who now seem to lack confidence to take risks or the will to put in 2nd third efforts and chase/harass. Spider putting in these poor efforts and crawf's sulking is not doing us much good. These guys need to shoulder the blame as much or if not more than AC.
I think the next few weeks will say a lot about what is really going on. I thought the endevour was a lot better this week but the execution was clearly lacking. We now have some tall targets up fwd so hopefully players will have more confidence to kick long and run through the lines as Im sure AC wants them to.
Im as disgusted as the next supporter about the way we have played the last few weeks.
As happened at times last years our players (and those from over teams see Geelong) appear to revert to it when things arent going well. And i remeber AC getting really frustrated that players would do this. Its really hard to tell if we're instructed to play like this (i think unlikely) or the players lacking in confidence or skill (is this the coaches fault or are the players worse than we thought?).
What I was trying to convey in my post was that the senior players have been generally horrible over the last few weeks and this seems to have flooded down to the rest of the team who now seem to lack confidence to take risks or the will to put in 2nd third efforts and chase/harass. Spider putting in these poor efforts and crawf's sulking is not doing us much good. These guys need to shoulder the blame as much or if not more than AC.
I think the next few weeks will say a lot about what is really going on. I thought the endevour was a lot better this week but the execution was clearly lacking. We now have some tall targets up fwd so hopefully players will have more confidence to kick long and run through the lines as Im sure AC wants them to.
Im as disgusted as the next supporter about the way we have played the last few weeks.
