Moore v Schneider

[bedford]

After watching Schneider last night i wondered how much more potent our forward lone would be with him and not Moore.
Schneider is a natural footballer with speed and flair, wouldn't he be handy now.

 

[SOPH_CROSS]

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Ahhhhhh this is something i just cant get my head around
Why couldn't we have had both...they want 2 push Jarred into the midfield anyway and Snides was always going 2 remain a small forward!

I guess 2007 was not the best year for Snides he had a form slump but i didnt think he was that bad...he was still young only 23 still developing him! We got rid of him and he went off 2 St Kilda...his 1st year wasnt that amazing but he did some good things...and it would be hard moving from a club you thought u were going 2 be at forever! His year so far has been amazing really taking on the small forward role with milne and backing up Nick! Im so impressed with how quick and clever he's gotten...St Kilda have really stepped up his game! Who knows if the swans gave him another year weather he would of improved...maybe he might not...but we will NEVER KNOW! I personally think he would have been great for us...he really had passion for the club!

But anyway...Snides and Jarred are different but the same i cant be bothered going into but Jarred i think will be great...had a big year this year and i think he's just trying 2 get himself sorted...still maturing his footy!

Ill always want Snides in the team...i wonder if we could ever get him traded back!








PS. HAPPY 25TH BIRTHDAY SNIDES!

 

[kira]

throw moore into st kilda's line-up and he'll chip in some goals too

moore is a poor man's schneider, but he's the better option for going forward

anyway snides performances before being traded were kinda wayward anyway

 

[BIGBEZ]

agree with cowfever, going long and direct to Riewoldts advantage creates opportunities every time...

 

[Bonz]

After watching Schneider last night i wondered how much more potent our forward lone would be with him and not Moore.
Schneider is a natural footballer with speed and flair, wouldn't he be handy now.

They are two completely different footballers....

Snides is a very good goal sneak now BUT with st kildas midfield kicking it to him it would make your job allot easier as a forward...

Moores presence is allot greater than schnides as he can really break a tackle if he could find a little more of the ball he will be a very very good footballer... (He was a deadset gun for Haileybury playing in the midfield for 5 minuet patches)

If we could improve Moores endurance so he can play in the midfield more.... He will be very very hard to beat.... (Remember he was touted as a number 1 pick before the draft camp)

I think we should of traded Amon instead of Schnides.... But there is no use dwelling upon it now... I mean we did get a great kid in Meredith...

I think the loss of Dempster will hurt more than the loss of Schnides in the long run.

 

[EatBig Australia]

Firstly, I am not sold on Moore yet - goes missing a bit too much for my liking. So to compare the two is hard but ask yourselves; How many games did Schneider win us???

At the moment you could throw any number of small forwards into StKilda's team and they would look good and kick goals.

Schneider is indeed playing well but I couldn't see him getting these results in a lesser team.

 

[robbieando]

Plus Moore is only playing is his current position because of the Pre Season injury to Veszpremi, so we really can't compare the two players. Bit like comparing Roughhead as a Ruckman to Jolly after the Round 2 meeting between the Swans and the Hawks. Plus we did get Meredith from the Draft Pick that we got in exchange for Schneider, so long term we look to be the winners of that exchange.

 

[robbieando]

I think the loss of Dempster will hurt more than the loss of Schnides in the long run.

Doubt it.

First he asked to be traded even though he knew we were looking for even more Half Back options than ever before with the departure of Tadhg looming and most important of all in his first season at St Kilda he did his ACL and if he did that at Sydney he would of been pushed back even further on the senior list and maybe even delisted.

Hence why he was a throw in to the Schneider trade.

 

[MF]

Most saints fans seemed to be happier with the acquisition of Dempster than they were of Schneider to start with. Their views may have changed since.

 

[cinderella man]

They are two completely different footballers....

Snides is a very good goal sneak now BUT with st kildas midfield kicking it to him it would make your job allot easier as a forward...

Moores presence is allot greater than schnides as he can really break a tackle if he could find a little more of the ball he will be a very very good footballer... (He was a deadset gun for Haileybury playing in the midfield for 5 minuet patches)

If we could improve Moores endurance so he can play in the midfield more.... He will be very very hard to beat.... (Remember he was touted as a number 1 pick before the draft camp)
I think we should of traded Amon instead of Schnides.... But there is no use dwelling upon it now... I mean we did get a great kid in Meredith...

I think the loss of Dempster will hurt more than the loss of Schnides in the long run.

1.Moore does not have a prescence.
2.This is not Hailebury.
3.Improve what endurance ? He couldnt run out of sight on a foggy night.
Spot on about them being different players.Moore when he can actually get near the ball attacks it very hard and has no hesitation putting his body on the line.Schneider on the other hand is a skilled finisher who is a receive player only who very rarely wins his own footy and has always been suspect when it comes to the hard stuff.

 

[swan14]

Most saints fans seemed to be happier with the acquisition of Dempster than they were of Schneider to start with. Their views may have changed since.

I really rated Dempster, though he was struggling for game time beofre he was traded. He was looking solid with the saints before he was injured too.

Schneids has really hit some form with saints, starting to score goals freely like his breakout season with the swans. It was his lack of goal scoring and poor work rate that led to him being traded after that ordinary 2007 season. I believe there may also have been some salary cap issues leading to him being traded also.

And I don't really think it should be seen as Moore v Schneider as they are different players and Schneids wasn't traded because we already had Moore on the list.

Really it needs to be looked at what we got for the trade, and I think Meredith is going to be a gun so I guess both clubs are pretty happy with what they got in the end.

Though its still annoying seeing him kick a bag for the saints when we're desparate for a small forward until vez come back.

 

[Tedeski]

When the going is easy, Schneider is the polish.............but................when the going gets tough, Schneider goes missing!

He is more valuable to the Saints right now then he would have been to us should he have stayed. We need hard workers in our forward line. Sneider was never one of those. just the polish when we were already going to win the game anyway!!

His last game for us in that final against Collingwood at the "G"...............................................grrrrrrrrrr....................... how he missed that important shot!

Anyway..........let's move on!

 

[Dangas]

I was gonna start up a thread on Schneiderman and how much of a STUPID trade he was. That forward pressure he added is something Moore lacks, and after last nights performance for the Saints against the Pies reminds me of what he was like in 2005/6.

I'd take Adam over Jarred any day,

 

[Dylza94]

Well we traded Dempster and Schneider for pick 26, which ended up with Brett Meredith. I would rather Sneid's and Dempster.

 

[SM]

But Schneids was costing us too much! Sure we could get him back now, because our salary cap is a lot looser with Kennelly, Fosdike, Barry and probably MOL and Crouch stepping down at the end of this year, and he'd probably prefer to play for us, but the Saints style of play suits him more and he's a lot better in their forward line.

Even last year I remember a game against the Lions where he was the top goal scorer with 5, so it's not like he was bad last year, got over 30 goals I think.

 

[SOPH_CROSS]

Well we traded Dempster and Schneider for pick 26, which ended up with Brett Meredith. I would rather Sneid's and Dempster.

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[robbieando]

I believe there may also have been some salary cap issues leading to him being traded also.

We traded Schneider and Dempster and gave increased contracts to Jude Bolton and Darren Jolly and brought in Mattner who was still under contract at the Crows, on a new larger contract. If we had salary cap issues, we wouldn't made the Mattner trade, nor given the three contract increases I have noted.

Its a myth we got rid of Schneider for Salary Cap room (he wasn't on that much to clear that much room), we traded for him, so we could get a draft pick in the second round after trading our excising one for Mattner and Dempster asked to be traded and was included as a throw in to help the players request, otherwise he would of walked to the Pre Season Draft (where he most likely wouldn't of been picked up).

Sometimes logic needs to be applied to everything. But Schneider certainly wasn't traded to clear room in the salary cap.

 

[grimlock]

Well we traded Dempster and Schneider for pick 26, which ended up with Brett Meredith. I would rather Sneid's and Dempster.

You'd prefer a fat lazy goalsneak and a one-legged man to a future Brownlow medallist?!

 

[bedford]

1.Moore does not have a prescence.
2.This is not Hailebury.
3.Improve what endurance ? He couldnt run out of sight on a foggy night.
Spot on about them being different players.Moore when he can actually get near the ball attacks it very hard and has no hesitation putting his body on the line.Schneider on the other hand is a skilled finisher who is a receive player only who very rarely wins his own footy and has always been suspect when it comes to the hard stuff.

Once again CM a very good post.
I only stated the thread as it annoyed the shit out of me watching Schneider bagging 5 and having a hand in a couple more.
We forget too easy his role in the 05 Prelim routing of St. Scum, that sort of performance we wont see from Moore.

 

[Tedeski]

Once again CM a very good post.
I only stated the thread as it annoyed the shit out of me watching Schneider bagging 5 and having a hand in a couple more.
We forget too easy his role in the 05 Prelim routing of St. Scum, that sort of performance we wont see from Moore.

Ahh...............you never know Bedford!

I remember last year that game against Port in Adelaide!
Moore played a real blinder that day! Really stood up. Still has a bit of work to do this year but I'm not giving up hope on him yet.

 

[vonn]

I'D TAKE MR MEREDITH OVER DEMPS AN SCHNIDES.

I'm super super biased thoughh.

 

[TheMase]

When the going is easy, Schneider is the polish.............but................when the going gets tough, Schneider goes missing!

I agree Tedeski.

You'd prefer a fat lazy goalsneak and a one-legged man to a future Brownlow medallist?!

Agreed. Schneider plays some good footy at times, but gave us little to no defensive resistance.

Meredith will prove to be a far better footballer than Schneider IMO.

 

[bedford]

I agree Tedeski.



Agreed. Schneider plays some good footy at times, but gave us little to no defensive resistance.

Meredith will prove to be a far better footballer than Schneider IMO.

He will end up better than Schneider but he should not have been the one who was traded. The thing is with Schneider is that he has flair and can finish, even if he is an outside player. Moore apart from being slow misses too many easy shots AT goal.

 

[vonn]

Bedford, I think they requested Schneider..?

 

[MF]

Completely agree with Tedeski and Mase on Schneider. I loved the guy but there's no doubt he's a downhill skier. It's no coincidence that his best footy is played when the rest of the team is up and running.

And I realise that goal sneaks obviously perform better when they have more opportunities but the good ones (Leon Davis, Eddie Betts, Alwyn Davy, Cyril Rioli) manage to impose themselves on the game regardless.

Unfortunately Buchanan is in the downhill skier category too. The real reason we traded Schneider is that we only had room for one of them. At the time I think they made the right choice between the two.