Most Gutless Team

[Tarkyn_24]

Yes in one game we didn't show a bit of bottle and no Geelong fan would argue, but how many games did Richmond show they had no heart and the stats to back it up as well.
Your right the thread will stop here Richmond as the most gutless team.

Collingwood...Hawthorn x2... West Coast...

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Yes in one game we didn't show a bit of bottle and no Geelong fan would argue, but how many games did Richmond show they had no heart and the stats to back it up as well.
Your right the thread will stop here Richmond as the most gutless team.

More like over a sixth of your season...

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Still you never see any other coach label their players like Bomber did. I agree that they are grown men and should cop it on the chin but not in the press.

Of course you do.

Richmond coach Terry Wallace has described his team's season-opening 115-point drubbing as the worst of his career.

"It's just embarrassing for everyone to have to play that sort of football....

Wow, thats pretty harsh

"Obviously we lost some players on the eve of the game. You hope blokes can come in. You hope your senior blokes can keep their resolve the way that you would like them to keep their resolve," Wallace reflected after the 28.12 (180) to 9.8 (62) victory by the Swans.

In not so many words, he is explaining that your senior players were gutless.

"We didn't deal with that. We didn't handle that. You're hoping that your senior players will set the example, will set the standard, but we were overwhelmed all over the ground, including our senior players."

ie - We were gutless and I admit it.

"We were very, very young, very inexperienced. But in saying that, we're still expecting blokes when they sort of step into AFL footy to compete and contest."

Admitting you were gutless, with some excuses thrown in. No wonder you guys lap it up.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

More like over a sixth of your season...

Let s just turn the clock back a year or two shall we? Wouldn't be able to find Magpie guts with a microscope

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Dont misuse statistics mate! Remember that Geelong are the heaviest team in the comp and Richmond are the lightest. Its clear you dont understand the meaning of gutless. It is coming out and playing pathetic, stupid football without any heart or pride, seems to sum ûp Geelongs season.

Hopefully seeing the sacrifice made by Lonegan will make a few of the pussys take a long hard look at themselvs.

Can't misuse those sort of statistics!

How exactly do you measure this 'gutlessness' then champ?

With players like Chapman, Mooney, Rooke, Bartel, Harley, you're talking some of the gutsiest, heart on their sleeve players in the comp. Plenty of heart and pride from these sorts of blokes.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Still you never see any other coach label their players like Bomber did. I agree that they are grown men and should cop it on the chin but not in the press. How would it go down if one of the Cats players was to say in an interview that Bomber had no idea in the coaches box. Not well at all I would guess.

Found some more examples. You are full of it mate, should've checked your own coaches quotes before you brought this up.

"Our supporters worry about those sort of games and we sat there and said, 'we need to be professional enough that our supporters don't need to worry about those sort of games (anymore)'," a visibly angry Wallace said from Aurora Stadium after the 41-point loss.

"That we'll be good enough and strong enough in the mind to be able to get the job done when you need to get it done. I'm not taking anything away from the opposition at all, but the reality of it was that they came here with about seven of their senior blokes out of their line-up and our blokes just didn't come to play - that was my message (after the match)."

Going by your accusations, that's Wallet saying 'We are gutless'. But if that's not bad ebnough, check this out:

"Where do you want to start? I mean we just never got our game going at any stage at all. The worst element was that we wouldn't put our head over the ball and win it," he replied frankly.

Gutless, soft, embarassing really. Shows you the stats I pulled before were completely accurate.

How are you going to defend this one 9th?

END OF THREAD

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Let s just turn the clock back a year or two shall we? Wouldn't be able to find Magpie guts with a microscope

Every team has periods like this though, and for the record, I think Carlton have escaped somehow from this thread.

 

[cat in sydney]

Found some more examples. You are full of it mate, should've checked your own coaches quotes before you brought this up.



Going by your accusations, that's Wallet saying 'We are gutless'. But if that's not bad ebnough, check this out:



Gutless, soft, embarassing really. Shows you the stats I pulled before were completely accurate.

How are you going to defend this one 9th?

END OF THREAD

Stripes... you have been pwned!!

 

[9th Placed Finish]

Found some more examples. You are full of it mate, should've checked your own coaches quotes before you brought this up.



Going by your accusations, that's Wallet saying 'We are gutless'. But if that's not bad ebnough, check this out:



Gutless, soft, embarassing really. Shows you the stats I pulled before were completely accurate.

How are you going to defend this one 9th?

END OF THREAD

Where does it say we didn't fight? It says were weren't mentally tough enough to deal with it. Your coach said bluntly the players never fought it out. Also after losing to the Pies by 100:

Thompson labelled the defeat the worst of his coaching career given the strength of the Cats' side he fielded.

"For sure (it was the worst defeat)," he said.

"We have had big defeats before but we had our best 34 players available tonight."

"We are not a young team any more and the team we put out tonight is more than capable of being a good team."

"We performed poorly, it was a bad loss and I came to the ground tonight thinking we would play good footy - I didn’t see it coming at all."

Different getting beaten by 100 points when you lose 2 of your key defenders on the day off the match as opposed to having your best 34 players available.

Or perhaps you prefer this after the 92 point loss to the Crows:

"We just got clearly outclassed," he said.

"They put us under enormous pressure and we didn't put them under any pressure - they are a very good team."

"We lost spirit towards the end of the game and that happens when you lose by big margins."

More exapmles of Bomber questioning the guts of his team.


Then again these pearlers after the loss to the Saints in Round 19:

Geelong coach Mark Thompson admitted after the game the Cats finals hopes were now definitely gone.

"I am disappointed with the year and disappointed we are finally out of contention for the finals," he said.

"I am not giving up, I want to win the last three games but realistically I don't think we will make it (the finals).

"But I want to finish the season off strongly and use this period where we have played better footy to look forward to next year."

Your coach, displaying a gutless attitude, gave up on finals before the draw with Melbourne yet they were still in with a chance.

And finally from the first encounter with the Dees in 06:

"We had the game in the bag but we just didn't play the game out and didn't have the same level of excitement and passion that the Melbourne footy club had tonight," Thompson said.

Again Thompson saying his team did not have guts during a game.

These are all examples of Bomber saying his team were weak but remember it is one thing to make a statement like we never did this or that but to actually come out in public and say thet the team did not fight is saying point blank, no illusions, no spin, no sugar coating: They Were Gutless

 

[Toots Hibbert]

It could mean they were unmotivated.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It seems thats exactly what he means. None of those quotes you've chosen have anything to do with gutlessness.

Where does it say we didn't fight?

Umm...here: 'but the reality of it was that they came here with about seven of their senior blokes out of their line-up and our blokes just didn't come to play'
See? Didn't even come to play. That is not only not fighting, but its not even bothering to try. G U T L E S S

Or here: "Where do you want to start? I mean we just never got our game going at any stage at all. The worst element was that we wouldn't put our head over the ball and win it," he replied frankly.

That is as gutless as it gets, no? Too scared and gutless to put your head over the ball. That is gutless defined in 1 sentence.

You really shouldn't have joined this discussion 9th, you didn't start this ridiculous thread. Your last post was scraping the barrel, and I'm not going to lower myself to respond to any more drivel.

 

[maccas_no1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9DGkHTrhA

 

[9th Placed Finish]

It seems thats exactly what he means. None of those quotes you've chosen have anything to do with gutlessness.



Umm...here: 'but the reality of it was that they came here with about seven of their senior blokes out of their line-up and our blokes just didn't come to play'
See? Didn't even come to play. That is not only not fighting, but its not even bothering to try. G U T L E S S

Or here: "Where do you want to start? I mean we just never got our game going at any stage at all. The worst element was that we wouldn't put our head over the ball and win it," he replied frankly.

That is as gutless as it gets, no? Too scared and gutless to put your head over the ball. That is gutless defined in 1 sentence.

You really shouldn't have joined this discussion 9th, you didn't start this ridiculous thread. Your last post was scraping the barrel, and I'm not going to lower myself to respond to any more drivel.

Your not going to respond because you have no response to Bomber's quote:

Geelong Coach Mark Thompson after the Eagles game:

'That's as about as bad as it gets. To play so well for a period of the game and lose it, not showing fight, missed tackles, opened up the ground to them. It was pretty tragic," Thompson said.

As much as you want to deny it. Bomber said it, the Cats did not show any fight. He said it bluntly that in my books and most others would seem to indicate the Cats were weak or gutless. Your Choice. you could never show me where Wallace used those words when descibing a Tigers performance so you gave up. Pretty much like the Cats did in 06.

 

[tin can sam]

Your not going to respond because you have no response to Bomber's quote:


As much as you want to deny it. Bomber said it, the Cats did not show any fight. He said it bluntly that in my books and most others would seem to indicate the Cats were weak or gutless. Your Choice. you could never show me where Wallace used those words when descibing a Tigers performance so you gave up. Pretty much like the Cats did in 06.

So what does Wallace say when you put in your 4 100 point thrashing effort. Unless he's saying the team didn't perform up to standard Your team, your supporters and your coach would be ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

So what does Wallace say when you put in your 4 100 point thrashing effort. Unless he's saying the team didn't perform up to standard Your team, your supporters and your coach would be ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY.

Again what is said to the players behind closed doors is different to what you say to the media, which the fans read. Saying that we did not turn up to play, we did not stick to our structures, etc, says that they were not mentally strong enough to deal with adversity i.e. losing key players before a game.

To have a coach say what Bomber said: not showing fight, to me flat out accuse the players of being weak. The players would have already been feeling low after they lost that game and to read a comment by your coach that you did not fight would add insult to injury. Would have been alot better for Bomber to use the line similar to that which Doris used:

At least we got into a position that we were 9 goals up against them. It shows that we have the talent here to compete with the best. It was a disappointment to lose that game but the players will learn from it and hopefully wont let it happen again.

That would have been a better way to put it.

Remember this was a team that was thought of as a Top 4-6 side the Tigers weren't. If the Tigers were thought of as Top 4-6 and they let the same thing happen to them I would have no hesitation in calling them weak. However they were not in 06 they were a young team trying to continue their improvement. Could harldy expect a team full of young kids to be consistent week after week.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

As much as you want to deny it. Bomber said it, the Cats did not show any fight. He said it bluntly that in my books and most others would seem to indicate the Cats were weak or gutless. Your Choice. you could never show me where Wallace used those words when descibing a Tigers performance so you gave up. Pretty much like the Cats did in 06.

Why do you keep up this preposterous premise. I am not going looking for a quote from wallace containing thos eeact 3 words.

I would much rather that the coach comes out and say that for a period of a match they did not show fight, than what Wallace came out and said: the tigers were too chicken ******** to put their head over the ball all game.

That is a much clearer statement of the gutlessness of his team. Anyone reading this must surely agree?

Or how about that they just didnt show up?! That is another statement Wallace made, that I have pointed out to you twice. Read between the lines, and that tells you that they didn't show any fight! ALL GAME!

You're taking 3 words from an aftermatch interview and using that to declare Geelong are more gutless than Richmond? If that's the best you have got, I am over it.

You've dispapeared up your own backside anyway, because if he had have come out and said what you suggested, you would be saying that he was accepting mediocrity!!

Please go away and have a think for a couple of days before you post again.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

Why do you keep up this preposterous premise. I am not going looking for a quote from wallace containing thos eeact 3 words.

I would much rather that the coach comes out and say that for a period of a match they did not show fight, than what Wallace came out and said: the tigers were too chicken ******** to put their head over the ball all game.

That is a much clearer statement of the gutlessness of his team. Anyone reading this must surely agree?

Or how about that they just didnt show up?! That is another statement Wallace made, that I have pointed out to you twice. Read between the lines, and that tells you that they didn't show any fight! ALL GAME!

You're taking 3 words from an aftermatch interview and using that to declare Geelong are more gutless than Richmond? If that's the best you have got, I am over it.

You've dispapeared up your own backside anyway, because if he had have come out and said what you suggested, you would be saying that he was accepting mediocrity!!

Please go away and have a think for a couple of days before you post again.

I think you need to have a rest you're getting yourself all confused. If who had of said what I suggested. I suggested that Bomber should have said that in my previous post instead of saying what he did. At least give the guys some confidence that they played great footy for most of the match not focusing on the negative aspect.

In those other quotes I posted yesterday, especially the ones after the Crows game, Bomber is saying the exact same thing that Wallace said. Contradicting yourself is not going to prove your point. Your interpretation of Wallaces comments were that the Tigers were gutless yet your own coach used much the same language to descibe his own team after poor performances, guess that proves the point more than you twisting it to suit your arguement. Add to that he actually said those 3 words and it is there for all the world to see Bomber thought they were weak gutless. Wallace's comments can be interpreted by the reader as they see fit. Thats the difference here one coach called his team weak point blank, one coach insinuated it.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I suggested that Bomber should have said that in my previous post instead of saying what he did. At least give the guys some confidence that they played great footy for most of the match not focusing on the negative aspect.

That's exactly what I said. If Bomber had have come out and said that, you would have called it accepting mediocrity. You can't have it both ways. You give us stick for saying something you are making out to be something else, but also say we're accepting mediocrity. Which is it? You're saying they played some great footy now? I thought they were the most gutless side in the comp, and that was your shining example?

In those other quotes I posted yesterday, especially the ones after the Crows game, Bomber is saying the exact same thing that Wallace said. Contradicting yourself is not going to prove your point. Your interpretation of Wallaces comments were that the Tigers were gutless yet your own coach used much the same language to descibe his own team after poor performances, guess that proves the point more than you twisting it to suit your arguement. Add to that he actually said those 3 words and it is there for all the world to see Bomber thought they were weak gutless. Wallace's comments can be interpreted by the reader as they see fit. Thats the difference here one coach called his team weak point blank, one coach insinuated it.

Bull********. You're incredible. Calling your team too soft to stick their scones over the ball is putting it pretty bluntly.

Wallace's comments can be interpreted by the reader as they see fit.

You seem to interpret everything as you see fit. Excuse me, I'm off to bang my head against a brick wall.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

That's exactly what I said. If Bomber had have come out and said that, you would have called it accepting mediocrity. You can't have it both ways. You give us stick for saying something you are making out to be something else, but also say we're accepting mediocrity. Which is it? You're saying they played some great footy now? I thought they were the most gutless side in the comp, and that was your shining example?

Bull********. You're incredible. Calling your team too soft to stick their scones over the ball is putting it pretty bluntly.

You seem to interpret everything as you see fit. Excuse me, I'm off to bang my head against a brick wall.

Are you banging your head against the wall because you don't get it. Wallace and Bomber have both made statements about their teams lack of courage. Those comments are open to interpratation. Bomber also said straight out that the Cats showed not fight. Thats the difference. It is one thing to interpret a comment in the media it is another to have the accusation laid out for all to see.

 

[ripitup27]

Wallace and Thompson have both said their sides were gutless. Wallace by saying they wouldn't put their heads over the ball and Thompson saying it stragiht out. Both teams were gutless last year, and all of us supporters should be hoping for better performances from both teams instead of pointing out who is weaker. Both teams were mentally fragile last year, and it needs to improve, they are better than that.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

Wallace and Thompson have both said their sides were gutless. Wallace by saying they wouldn't put their heads over the ball and Thompson saying it stragiht out. Both teams were gutless last year, and all of us supporters should be hoping for better performances from both teams instead of pointing out who is weaker. Both teams were mentally fragile last year, and it needs to improve, they are better than that.

I don't recall saying the Tigers weren't gutless. It seems LLD missed that what I merely pointed out was the Cats coach came out and said it directly. Of course the Tigers were gutless at times. Anyone who thinks that the Tigers weren't is kidding themselves. The thread was the Cats were more gutless and IMO a team that was rated as Top 6 before the season to finish 10th showed them to be more gutless than the Tigers were. If LLD has an issue with that then too bad for her. She can make excuses and ask the same questions 100 different ways it will still not change my opinion.

 

[ripitup27]

I don't recall saying the Tigers weren't gutless. It seems LLD missed that what I merely pointed out was the Cats coach came out and said it directly. Of course the Tigers were gutless at times. Anyone who thinks that the Tigers weren't is kidding themselves. The thread was the Cats were more gutless and IMO a team that was rated as Top 6 before the season to finish 10th showed them to be more gutless than the Tigers were. If LLD has an issue with that then too bad for her. She can make excuses and ask the same questions 100 different ways it will still not change my opinion.

And I don't recall saying that you didn't say they were gutless. I just said they both were. In saying that, I think they were as gutless as each other. You can't say Geelong was more gutless because they were rated higher. In reality its journos that rate them that high and to tell you the truth alot of the time they dont know much. Gutlessness should be rated on how badly you actually played. Not how badly you played in relation to how good other people think you should be playing. I mean really, there's not much difference between Richmond and Geelongs list. Both young teams with about the same amount of experience and a few older players. Both gutless, both pathetic last year, both need to do more.

PS Lunchlady Doris is actually a guy.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

And I don't recall saying that you didn't say they were gutless. I just said they both were. In saying that, I think they were as gutless as each other. You can't say Geelong was more gutless because they were rated higher. In reality its journos that rate them that high and to tell you the truth alot of the time they dont know much. Gutlessness should be rated on how badly you actually played. Not how badly you played in relation to how good other people think you should be playing. I mean really, there's not much difference between Richmond and Geelongs list. Both young teams with about the same amount of experience and a few older players. Both gutless, both pathetic last year, both need to do more.

PS Lunchlady Doris is actually a guy.

My apoligies for calling him a her. Names can be decieving.

Agreed they were both gutless at times as I said in my last post. Agreed both need to perform better in the upcoming season.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Wallace and Bomber have both made statements about their teams lack of courage. Those comments are open to interpratation. Bomber also said straight out that the Cats showed not fight. Thats the difference. It is one thing to interpret a comment in the media it is another to have the accusation laid out for all to see.

Thanks rip. As I said I've had enough, I just don't understand this logic.

What is the difference here? How is 'not showing fight' any worse than 'didn't show up' or 'wouldnt put their head over the ball'?

Don't give me this interpretation twaddle. If Bomber's comment is an accusation, what are the others? Does anyone see where I'm coming from on this?

 

[Metallica_Man]

Can't misuse those sort of statistics!

How exactly do you measure this 'gutlessness' then champ?

With players like Chapman, Mooney, Rooke, Bartel, Harley, you're talking some of the gutsiest, heart on their sleeve players in the comp. Plenty of heart and pride from these sorts of blokes.

Scarlett.