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the harry said:
Yeah I hadn't found that article when updating his player thread. It's certainly the most detail on the matter that I've seen reported, unfortunately it's not good detail for Newman.

Understandable now that they failed to get the charge down graded. Jail suddenly doesn't seem out of the question.
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Assuming he's found guilty he could get anything from a suspended sentence to 3 years jail time (taking into his age, lack of a criminal record, no history of substance abuse). In some cases people found guilty and sentenced to jail are eligible for parole within a few months. Which could still for all intents and purposes kill his short term AFL prospects.
 
EasternHills said:
Assuming he's found guilty he could get anything from a suspended sentence to 3 years jail time (taking into his age, lack of a criminal record, no history of substance abuse). In some cases people found guilty and sentenced to jail are eligible for parole within a few months. Which could still for all intents and purposes kill his short term AFL prospects.
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Yeah I had previously thought that jail was a stretch and that a suspended sentence was the worst he'd get. But that article doesn't make it sound too flash. Admittedly though, my knowledge of the legal system is largely confined to Vic.

Where did you get the 3 year max from though? That's just your own interpretation yes?

I was just going to ask whether people thought it would be possible for him to get a short term and remain on the list.
 

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the harry said:
Yeah I had previously thought that jail was a stretch and that a suspended sentence was the worst he'd get. But that article doesn't make it sound too flash. Admittedly though, my knowledge of the legal system is largely confined to Vic.

Where did you get the 3 year max from though? That's just your own interpretation yes?

I was just going to ask whether people thought it would be possible for him to get a short term and remain on the list.
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my view of the delisting from main list to rookie list as punishment will work in Murray`s favour if found guilty and if he is remorseful and has undertaken counselling or done anger managment courses ,community work then all of this will be taken into account.

I very much doubt he will be jailed for a 1st offence as others have said
 
eagles rule said:
my view of the delisting from main list to rookie list as punishment will work in Murray`s favour if found guilty and if he is remorseful and has undertaken counselling or done anger managment courses ,community work then all of this will be taken into account.

I very much doubt he will be jailed for a 1st offence as others have said
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I doubt it too and my experience with the law suggests it's not likely. However, a "non spontaneous" "violent" and "dangerous" act that results in a significant injury makes it difficult to be sure of things.
 
To be honest it's very hard to predict. Basically my limited understand of sentencing is that a term of imprisonment cannot be imposed unless the seriousness of the offence compels such a sentence or that the public require protection from the accused.

It appears legal authority treat 'seriousness' as a composite of the actual offence (GBH) and the circumstances around it. We do not know that so it is hard to say whether the offending precludes a suspended sentence. This is all, of course, assuming he is found guilty.
 

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QS said:
Must have a fair bit of evidence/defences to raise. Hopefully the former is Murray 2km 2012, the latter Masten 2km 2012
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3 days seems a lot for a trial of this type.

I've seen complex fraud trials run no more than that and they involve complex issues and usually many events/transactions to review.

His case seems entirely non-complex.
 
Eagle87 said:
3 days seems a lot for a trial of this type.

I've seen complex fraud trials run no more than that and they involve complex issues and usually many events/transactions to review.

His case seems entirely non-complex.
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Do you have any info on it other that what's been posted in this thread? It's been difficult to find out too much info at all really, aside from the article from a page or two ago about being violent and non spontaneous
 
the harry said:
Do you have any info on it other that what's been posted in this thread? It's been difficult to find out too much info at all really, aside from the article from a page or two ago about being violent and non spontaneous
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No specific info.

I guess we could have a day of witnesses and argument about intent & spontaneity but it just doesn't seem an overly complex matter.

I'm going to try and get there and see for myself ...
 

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Eagle87 said:
3 days seems a lot for a trial of this type.

I've seen complex fraud trials run no more than that and they involve complex issues and usually many events/transactions to review.

His case seems entirely non-complex.
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Well I have seen fraud trials go for 3 months. Hell, I was involved in a 4 day special appointment which I think might be a record.
 
Eagle87 said:
Lol. That would have been genuinely riveting!! :)
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The fraud trial was fun because it became clear that the directors had actually ripped the company off and forged the company seal which is funny.

The special appointment was not fun in the normal sense but there were 12 barristers including 5 silks so I enjoyed being involved and the legal argument very interesting albeit extremely complex.
 
TOA. said:
The fraud trial was fun because it became clear that the directors had actually ripped the company off and forged the company seal which is funny.

The special appointment was not fun in the normal sense but there were 12 barristers including 5 silks so I enjoyed being involved and the legal argument very interesting albeit extremely complex.
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3 months of a Fraud Trial surely gets tedious though?

The special appointment must have turned into highly technical argument to drag on 4 days. Probably interesting from a learning perspective but brought on suicidal thoughts to any third parties present for the full 4 days :)
 
Eagle87 said:
3 days seems a lot for a trial of this type.

I've seen complex fraud trials run no more than that and they involve complex issues and usually many events/transactions to review.

His case seems entirely non-complex.
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It does indeed; I suspect there is also a few witnesses to call.
Another impression I get (and a few of my cohorts at uni) is that the prosecution are pressing hard for a conviction thus they would be raising as many facts and witnesses as possible.

I would also suggest seeing as he has entered a not guilty plea it follows they might put in issue provocation or self-defence. Hard 'excuses' to run successfully from what I've seen so far I might add.

Again all depends on the facts, which seem to have been well hidden! WADC decisions generally not published either which sucks.
 
flamingEMBERS said:
Everyone threw stones at the black belt dude who knocked Luke Adams out, but he was acting in self defence and was innocent after all...
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the harry said:
If the guy falls back an hits his head he could have been on more than GBH charges.

Being provoked is a poor excuse for something that isn't very excusable.
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Dylan Winter in the Luke Adams case threw the first and only punch. Prior to the punch, it was merely verbal provocation. He was cleared as not guilty.

I'm not saying Luke doesn't bear some blame, but the bloke that put him in a coma did so without any prior punches being thrown and after he was involved in a fight earlier in the night with some bouncers. He also fled the scene.

Anyone trying to predict what will occur with Murray are just having a wild guess.
 

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