Opinion My Final Rant

[DarkSaint]

I'm too invested in this team for my own good.

Let me start off by saying that as a club we are not going anywhere quick unless major changes are made from the top to bottom.

I'll start with the President first, who the hell is the guy because not once have i ever heard him or read anywhere about him talking/making statement about the club. We need someone who is high profile that can actually put this club on the map cause right now we have a ghost steering the ship who is non existent.

Secondly Finnis and co who signed richo on for an extra 2 years without achieving sweet f@ck all need to be made accountable for this howler. We are in a terrible financial position and yet they go and sign someone on for an extra 2 years without showing the world that he is actually half decent. I dont recall a host of other teams lining up to snap him or even rumours about it (no wonder why).

Thirdly Richo and the coaching staff need to be dismantled and we need to start again because i actually think that every single one of them are useless. Richo is clearly lacking tactically and isnt smart enough to come up with an actual game plan (pressure isnt a gameplan). Kinglsey last year was our midfield coach and we struggled for idea and constantly got killed. Ends up getting an upgrade to be in charge of our transition and i cant for the life of me work out what we are trying to do. The forward line coach who ever he is hasnt got an clue because we are lacking another tall marking target with the other 2 forwards lead up on the wing and actually take a mark. We have no-one over 185cm in the square. Not sure what Henry Playfair has bought in but ill give him the benefit of the doubt as we have defnded worse in the past.

Now back to the players/team selections etc.

McCartin: The kid is starting to show signs why he was taken as the number 1 pick a few years ago. Is building with every game and is getting confident in his own body. Still lacking ion fitness but that will come good in another 2 pre season. Actually cracks in every time he goes into the contest and chases and harasses when the ball hits the ground. In another team he would already be averaging 3 goals a game with half decent delivery and structure.

Gresham/Billings: Have more talent then most of the players in our side but are mentally and Physically soft. Someone has blown smoke up their @ss over the pre season and are not wanting to do the dirty work and are expecting things to happen. When they actually do get a chance they sh!t themselves in front of the big sticks. I wouldnt let them leave a training session unless i saw grazed/bruises on their body because the way they are playing now, they are having a warm bubble bath instead of an ice bath after every game.

Long/Weller: Chase and tackle like maniacs which is refreshing to see. If the rest of the team played with the same physical edge we would be winning flag after flag. Happy with the games that they have played this year. Long will continue to grow as a player with more game time and confidence. Weller seems to be getting back to his 2016 form which makes him a very valuable player in the position he plays.

Membrey: Is cleary injured and shouldnt be playing. Is an exceptionally hard runner, but right now cant even walk let alone run or get any separation from his opponent. Should not be playing at all, and i feel like he will have a Weller like year(2017) were he plays most of it but isnt anywhere near a player to his previous years and ends of losing confidence. Put him in the rehab room and make sure he recovers from whatever he is carrying.

Steven: Still the most influential mid that we have and provides the run/spark what none of the other mids bring. Needs to clean up his disposal because at times it can be a confidence/game killer. Needs another A grade mid to help him out as he is doing the inside and outside work at the moment.

Ross: This year has shown absolutely terrible body language. Is waiting for everyone to do the dirty work and when he doesn't get the ball just puts his head down and sooks. I cant remember on more than 3 occasions this season where he actually chased an opposition mid down or actually ran hard after an opponent. Must have thought he was a superstar after taking out the trevor baker award. But guess what mate, your a solid B grade player and need to pull your finger out and start performing to an acceptable level week in week out.

Dunstan: Heart and soul of the midfield group and cracks in harder than everyone. Bleeds for the jumper and plays with passion which couldnt be said for the most of the squad. We in career best form last 6 rounds last year and has played good so far without hitting those heights.

Steele: Has gone backwards since last season. Last year was a bull at every contest in the way he tackled/chased. This year players are easily breaking through his tackles and isnt as hard as cracking in as last year. Need to pick up this part of his game because he has no spread.

Hickey: Has been good this season and i have rated him always above Longer and i hope people can actually see what he provides to the team. Has an impact all around the ground with his marks/goals and is very good when the ball is in dispute/hits the ground. Needs to get more fitter so he can last 4 quarters because right now he can only go for 3.

Geary: Has no presence onfield for a captain. Last season actually was courageous with his attack on the ball and man as the backpocket player and hardly ever got beaten. Lead by examples with his hardness in the backline. This year is playing every position on the ground and is absolutely terrible with his decision making and disposal. If he cant make it as a lockdown small defender, he should be playing anywhere else. Also think it's time for him to pass the batton on to someone else to skipper the club who has influence on the game with their performance.

Brown/Carlisle: Have both been rocks at the back this season. If we didnt have these two guys playing for us we would be getting another 6 goals kicked on us easily. Two pillars who are trying to keep everything in tact with very young players around them. We need to develop another one to take over from Brown in a year or 2.

Youngsters: (Coffield/Clark/White) all three have come in and showed more composure/skill level than 3 quarters of the team. The way all 3 attack the ball is great to see and need to be played every single week. Clark needs to be thrown more on the ball because that's his natural position.

Savage: Should glimpses throughout the JLT and in some games last year what a damaging player he can be. Right now is playing nowhere near a experienced player and the youngsters are actually showing him up. Needs to pull his head in and actually play better because if i was the coach id drop him after this week.

Sinclair: Needs to be more accountable on his direct opponent. It's all well and good to continue to get the ball, but his last 2 opponents have been Deledio/Smith and they have both been match winners for the opposition. Need to play smarter. Has got the smarts and the skills just needs to become more accountable without the ball.

Webster: still one of the only players that can execute a kick that no one else in the team can. Is over most damaging kick in the side but even he has his days when he is off. Plays hard and always ready for the contest.

Acres: is constantly used everywhere but the actually position he needs to play. He should be starting on ball with Dunstan and Steven pretty much every centre bounce. When he needs a rest should be played as a deep resting mid in the forward line. Right now he is being used as a second ruck which is laughable.


Team Selections:

I dont think I've been happy with the team selections more than 5 times in the last 40 games. Almost every week i scratch my head with some one the selections we make. For example at the start of the year i was losing it why Dunstan wasn't select over players like Armitage/Stevens who showed absolutely nothing throughout the JLT and considering how Dunstan finished off the year. Last year everyone could see that Weller was playing injured yet we continued to play him and kill his confidence. This year you can say the same thing for Membrey. There is no way he should have played the last 2 games at all. Also tonight team against the hawks contained over 1/3 of backline players (Brown,carlsile,geary,white,coffield,webster,savage,gilbert) what on earth is going on with our selections.

Last week it was clear that Hickey can only last 3 quarters (better than any of longers games) and then we used Acres as a back up ruckman?? Acres is not a damn ruckman and should be on the ball not going up against simpson/mcevoy/roughhead. We have a perfect young player in Marshall who could play 7 or so minutes each quarter in the ruck to help out Hickey and then be used as a marking forward, Yet we use Acres??

Geary is a backpocket player and only should ever play there on the best small opposition forward. Bruest was marked by White tonight?? he is their most dangerous forward and needed to have a close checking player on him. Why on earth wouldnt we play Geary/Webster on him. Yet we play White and then use Geary as a winger/mid f@ken LOL.

I could keep going on things that blind freddy could see except our incompetent coaches/club. Our performances will not change under the current regime and Richo and the assistant coaches need to go. I dont know who is out there, but we could do a hell of a lot worse than bring back Robert Harvey to take over. Has done a number of years as an assistant coach and by all reports is well respected. Throw the check book at Hodge/Ratten as assistant coaches and there may be light at the end of the tunnel. As it stands we arent even headed for the tunnel, but rather off a cliff.

We have been sold a dream by the club about our rebuild and our vision, but right now it couldnt be further off if we tried. Maybe Ameet Bains saw the righting on the wall and jumped ship?? who knows, but there is something rotten going on at the club and from the outside looking in, it doesnt look like anyone has any ideas what it is and how to fix it.

Anyways i will continue to support the club through my interstate membership, but i will not be invested as much until major changes happen. Us supports deserves much much better than what has been dished up. We have the players as was seen last couple of years by missing out by 1 win and the youngster getting more experience we should be going forward, yet we are in free fall.

I bloody hope someone from the club reads this and puts an action plan in place to get rid of the people that shouldnt be at this club, because im sure most of the supporters have had enough. This season is officially over after tonight game. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW AND NOT GO BACKWARDS LIKE WE CURRENTLY ARE.

Thank you and goodnight.

 

[MUFKilda]

Great post. A number of fans on here are pointing out the issues, so why can't those in charge see it? Where is the accountability?

 

[plugger66]

Great post. A number of fans on here are pointing out the issues, so why can't those in charge see it? Where is the accountability?

The issues are the list. It’s not an easy fix. People want to blame the coach because they see that as an easy fix. I watched the game and god knows how a coach can fix skills in a game. I also didn’t see and bad positional coaching even though hindsighters will say there was. We just aren’t much good.


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[DarkSaint]

The issues are the list. It’s not an easy fix. People want to blame the coach because they see that as an easy fix. I watched the game and god knows how a coach can fix skills in a game. I also didn’t see and bad positional coaching even though hindsighters will say there was. We just aren’t much good.


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The issues isn't the list otherwise we would have been bottom 4 the last 2 year let alone challenging for finals. Skills are down because the confidence is shot. The players can't magically lose their skills over night, just like kicking for goal.

Who else is to blame for the way we are playing and only scoring an average of 60 points but the losing by 45 each game? I'm sorry but the buck stops with the coach as he needs to find a way to get the group up and about. Also if you can't see bad positional coaching and selections then I'm not even going to go any further.

 

[plugger66]

The issues isn't the list otherwise we would have been bottom 4 the last 2 year let alone challenging for finals. Skills are down because the confidence is shot. The players can't magically lose their skills over night, just like kicking for goal.

Who else is to blame for the way we are playing and only scoring an average of 60 points but the losing by 45 each game? I'm sorry but the buck stops with the coach as he needs to find a way to get the group up and about. Also if you can't see bad positional coaching and selections then I'm not even going to go any further.

Sorry but that is madness. We lost roo and joey for a start and picked up no one so our list is worse than last year. Secondly if it’s the coaching how did we finish so high last year. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. By the way who are the bad selections and who is played in the wrong positions?


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[DarkSaint]

Sorry but that is madness. We lost roo and joey for a start and picked up no one so our list is worse than last year. Secondly if it’s the coaching how did we finish so high last year. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. By the way who are the bad selections and who is played in the wrong positions?


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Roo played on 1 leg for most of the year and Joey was serviceable at best. Don't remember them 2 winning many games off their own boot.

Well by the looks of things it looks as though Roo and Joey done more coaching than the actual coaches which is becoming more and more evident as each week goes by. Fast forward another year and the players such as Membrey/Steele Dunstan/Acres/Billings/Gresham etc have had another preseason and are all around the 50+ games mark when you should really take the next step. They have ALL gone backwards from the previous 2 years besides Acres and your telling me that has nothing to do with coaching?? All of a sudden over pre season these guys lost their skills and became average footballers?

I'll give you an example of bad selections.
Round 1 playing 4 inside mids and leaving Dunstan out of the side.
Round 2 leaving Dunstan out of the side again.
Round 3 picking Wright to play and also still keeping Armo in the side who was cooked the first 2 rounds (article the other day which Richo says it was his mistake in selecting him)
Round 4 the whole structure against a Geelong team who had 0 key position players. Instead of stretching them we let them have 2 extra back there.
Round 5 against the giants we played well as a team but used Acres as the back up Ruckman. You don't play him there ever let alone 2 weeks in a row. Every one knows hickey can't last a full game so we need another tall that can relieve him (Marshall)
Round 6 against the hawks you have a team that consists of 9 players in a side that are Backman. Yet not have another tall player to help out Hickey and again use Acres in the ruck? Why wouldn't you put a tag on Mitchell at quarter time considering he already had it 15 times. Nope let's wait until half time when he has 30. Also playing Geary anywhere else but the back pocket is suicide with his skills and decision making. Play him on Bruest who is their most dangerous forward but nope you leave a 5th game player in white on him. Also Smith is running hot wouldn't you put someone on him as a hard tag instead of letting him run riot on the wing and kick 3 and set up the game?? If you can't see this than I can't help you.

Every single week there are flaws on the way we set up and play and it all starts from selection night right through to shit game day tactics.

 

[plugger66]

Roo played on 1 leg for most of the year and Joey was serviceable at best. Don't remember them 2 winning many games off their own boot.

Well by the looks of things it looks as though Roo and Joey done more coaching than the actual coaches which is becoming more and more evident as each week goes by. Fast forward another year and the players such as Membrey/Steele Dunstan/Acres/Billings/Gresham etc have had another preseason and are all around the 50+ games mark when you should really take the next step. They have ALL gone backwards from the previous 2 years besides Acres and your telling me that has nothing to do with coaching?? All of a sudden over pre season these guys lost their skills and became average footballers?

I'll give you an example of bad selections.
Round 1 playing 4 inside mids and leaving Dunstan out of the side.
Round 2 leaving Dunstan out of the side again.
Round 3 picking Wright to play and also still keeping Armo in the side who was cooked the first 2 rounds (article the other day which Richo says it was his mistake in selecting him)
Round 4 the whole structure against a Geelong team who had 0 key position players. Instead of stretching them we let them have 2 extra back there.
Round 5 against the giants we played well as a team but used Acres as the back up Ruckman. You don't play him there ever let alone 2 weeks in a row. Every one knows hickey can't last a full game so we need another tall that can relieve him (Marshall)
Round 6 against the hawks you have a team that consists of 9 players in a side that are Backman. Yet not have another tall player to help out Hickey and again use Acres in the ruck? Why wouldn't you put a tag on Mitchell at quarter time considering he already had it 15 times. Nope let's wait until half time when he has 30. Also playing Geary anywhere else but the back pocket is suicide with his skills and decision making. Play him on Bruest who is their most dangerous forward but nope you leave a 5th game player in white on him. Also Smith is running hot wouldn't you put someone on him as a hard tag instead of letting him run riot on the wing and kick 3 and set up the game?? If you can't see this than I can't help you.

Every single week there are flaws on the way we set up and play and it all starts from selection night right through to shit game day tactics.

The thing is I don’t think you are right about a second ruckman at all. 3 marking forwards makes us worse. Anyway do want to sack richo right now


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[PoppedCorn]

Geary on the wing and Blake in the ruck says it all doesn't it.

While I love this club I am nowhere near emotionaly invested as I was for the previous ten years.
It's just a shrug of the shoulders and a walk away from the tv to do one of the many other things I can do in life instead of wasting time and thoughts on this insipid crap

Puts a Rolls Royce on the wing
**** me dead

They have no idea in the box sometimes
Managed to put gears on Betts over the years and keep him quiet but don't put him on bruest?
Wtf
Get hammill a gig as a decent secondary coach ffs

 

[plugger66]

Geary on the wing and Blake in the ruck says it all doesn't it.

While I love this club I am nowhere near emotionaly invested as I was for the previous ten years.
It's just a shrug of the shoulders and a walk away from the tv to do one of the many other things I can do in life instead of wasting time and thoughts on this insipid crap

Puts a Rolls Royce on the wing
**** me dead

They have no idea in the box sometimes
Managed to put gears on Betts over the years and keep him quiet but don't put him on bruest?
Wtf
Get hammill a gig as a decent secondary coach ffs

Hamill was basically replaced this year as many wanted but in hindsight now it’s a mistake. Funny that.


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[DarkSaint]

The thing is I don’t think you are right about a second ruckman at all. 3 marking forwards makes us worse. Anyway do want to sack richo right now


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But the rest you can finally see now yea? We need another marking to help McCartin out and pinch hit in the ruck. It's simple and you can quote me on this that Marshall WILL play next week along with Membrey and McCartin and we look a shit ton better.

 

[sunny3193]

But the rest you can finally see now yea? We need another marking to help McCartin out and pinch hit in the ruck. It's simple and you can quote me on this that Marshall WILL play next week along with Membrey and McCartin and we look a shit ton better.

Substitute Bruce for Marshall and you’ve just described our forward structure for the first few weeks this year.
Was that structure incorrect then?
Why is it correct now?

 

[plugger66]

But the rest you can finally see now yea? We need another marking to help McCartin out and pinch hit in the ruck. It's simple and you can quote me on this that Marshall WILL play next week along with Membrey and McCartin and we look a shit ton better.

He probably will play. I'm just unsure well I'm sure that 3 average marking forwards makes any side better. What side in the AFL even has that set up these days. The second ruck is no reason to play another tall. 20 minutes a game and no proof we actually go worse when the main ruckman isn't rucking.

 

[DarkSaint]

He probably will play. I'm just unsure well I'm sure that 3 average marking forwards makes any side better. What side in the AFL even has that set up these days. The second ruck is no reason to play another tall. 20 minutes a game and no proof we actually go worse when the main ruckman isn't rucking.

Most sides in the afl have this (Gws,crows, dons,eagles,port,north). The thing is Marshall isn't just a second ruck. He is a forward who can pinch hit in the ruck and do it very well at that as seen against the crows.

 

[plugger66]

Most sides in the afl have this (Gws,crows, dons,eagles,port,north). The thing is Marshall isn't just a second ruck. He is a forward who can pinch hit in the ruck and do it very well at that as seen against the crows.

Most sides have what? 3 average marking forwards? I don't think so. Cant think of many if any. Marshall does mainly play forward but we lose pressure and in a big way. Who is out for him.

 

[DarkSaint]

Substitute Bruce for Marshall and you’ve just described our forward structure for the first few weeks this year.
Was that structure incorrect then?
Why is it correct now?

That's the forward line and not the structure. Our structures are all over the shop and when we had the 3 forwards we still had no one deep inside the 50. They were pushing too high up and not holding their line.

 

[bird_man]

The issues are the list. It’s not an easy fix. People want to blame the coach because they see that as an easy fix. I watched the game and god knows how a coach can fix skills in a game. I also didn’t see and bad positional coaching even though hindsighters will say there was. We just aren’t much good.


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I cant agree that the issue is only the list. It’s obvious it needs work, but how do we go from a side pushing for the 8 two years in a row, to this shit?

I know we lost a lot of experience in Roo and Joey, but neither finished top 10 in the B&F. We are a young side that should be improving but are going backwards...

I cannot find any reason why guys like Billings, Gresham, Newnes, Steele, Membrey, Sinclair etc have all gone backwards instead of improving this year?

All of those guys have shown at some stage they have the quality needed to make it as an AFL footballer.

Acres is the only guy that looks like he has shown improvement from last year. And Long also I suppose.

That to me tells me there’s an obvious issue with the coaching and development of our players.

 

[sunny3193]

That's the forward line and not the structure. Our structures are all over the shop and when we had the 3 forwards we still had no one deep inside the 50. They were pushing too high up and not holding their line.

Ok, I’ll change the terminology to suit you.
Substitute Bruce for Marshall and you have our forward line from the first few weeks.
Was that forward line incorrect then?
Why is it correct now?

 

[plugger66]

That's the forward line and not the structure. Our structures are all over the shop and when we had the 3 forwards we still had no one deep inside the 50. They were pushing too high up and not holding their line.

All forward lines push high though. Why do you think Riewoldt can play well yet not have much scoreboard pressure and he is Richmonds only tall forward. Unfortunately our talls are only average forwards at best.

 

[VDS66]

Oh dear...

How many of our players would be a walk up start in the top 4 teams?

 

[plugger66]

I cant agree that the issue is only the list. It’s obvious it needs work, but how do we go from a side pushing for the 8 two years in a row, to this shit?

I know we lost a lot of experience in Roo and Joey, but neither finished top 10 in the B&F. We are a young side that should be improving but are going backwards...

I cannot find any reason why guys like Billings, Gresham, Newnes, Steele, Membrey, Sinclair etc have all gone backwards instead of improving this year?

All of those guys have shown at some stage they have the quality needed to make it as an AFL footballer.

Acres is the only guy that looks like he has shown improvement from last year. And Long also I suppose.

That to me tells me there’s an obvious issue with the coaching and development of our players.

But why did we improve in the last 2 years under the same coach and I gather the same development. I believe the loss of Joey and Roo effected us more than we think We don't have one star player and maybe only 2 A graders in Steven and Carlisle. The rest have plenty of issues as players.

 

[sunny3193]

I cant agree that the issue is only the list. It’s obvious it needs work, but how do we go from a side pushing for the 8 two years in a row, to this shit?

I know we lost a lot of experience in Roo and Joey, but neither finished top 10 in the B&F. We are a young side that should be improving but are going backwards...

I cannot find any reason why guys like Billings, Gresham, Newnes, Steele, Membrey, Sinclair etc have all gone backwards instead of improving this year?

All of those guys have shown at some stage they have the quality needed to make it as an AFL footballer.

Acres is the only guy that looks like he has shown improvement from last year. And Long also I suppose.

That to me tells me there’s an obvious issue with the coaching and development of our players.

My guess?
Many issues including the ones that you have highlighted, snowballing one on the other to the point that this team is playing without any confidence.
And that lack of confidence was ultimately reflected in the woeful performance last night.
There is no simple remedy.
Sacking the coach may be cathartic but I’m not yet convinced it is a solution.
We are not privy to the behind the doors conversations, nor the expectations being placed on both the playing and coaching groups by the board.
And the coach is not going to publicly name and shame players if the primary issue is now confidence. That’s never going to work.
Irrespective of how posters on here want him to behave.
Nor is third party observation of “body language” a basis for organisational disruption.
The solution lies in a holistic approach by the club: an all of sum review.
Whatever that review reveals, that’s when decisions need to be made.
And the review needs to run its course.
Frustrating as it is for us, and no doubt those that are living it.
But best to be right than early.
And to be sure: I am not close enough to the club or the personnel to identify cause and remedy.
That’s the board’s responsibility and function.

 

[pebblesofsand]

That's the forward line and not the structure. Our structures are all over the shop and when we had the 3 forwards we still had no one deep inside the 50. They were pushing too high up and not holding their line.

Don't go there Dark Saint - its clear the answer is we need more pressure forwards rather than marking targets.

Did you see the way they locked the ball in last night and stopped Hawthorn from waltzing the ball out and as a result stopped players like Smith and Breust from cutting us up - it was magic to watch - and the way they hit the scoreboard and as a result put pressure on the opposition - spectacular!!!!

But the thing I really really like is when I see Billings, Gresh and co flying for unrealistic pack marks when we randomly bomb the ball forward - its scintillating stuff.

You see can't have a tall forward (ordinary or not) when you competing against that sort of class and output.

 

[plugger66]

Don't go there Dark Saint - its clear the answer is we need more pressure forwards rather than marking targets.

Did you see the way they locked the ball in last night and stopped Hawthorn from waltzing the ball out and as a result stopped players like Smith and Breust from cutting us up - it was magic to watch - and the way they hit the scoreboard and as a result put pressure on the opposition - spectacular!!!!

But the thing I really really like is when I see Billings, Gresh and co flying for unrealistic pack marks when we randomly bomb the ball forward - its scintillating stuff.

You see can't have a tall forward (ordinary or not) when you competing against that sort of class and output.

Was it clear last week when we drew against a top 3 side. Is it clear to 17 other sides that don't play 3 average talls. And why do Richmond also bomb the ball as probably does 17 other clubs. Because that is how footy is played at the moment. Should I point out our worst game this year when we had 3 marking players playing. No because that's called cherry picking. And finally who cut us up last night? That's right. It wasn't a tall marking player. Well at least you don't think so.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Was it clear last week when we drew against a top 3 side. Is it clear to 17 other sides that don't play 3 average talls. And why do Richmond also bomb the ball as probably does 17 other clubs. Because that is how footy is played at the moment. Should I point out our worst game this year when we had 3 marking players playing. No because that's called cherry picking. And finally who cut us up last night? That's right. It wasn't a tall marking player. Well at least you don't think so.

Ha ha ha - at least you've killed the discussion now because its clear you're just trolling

"And why do Richmond also bomb the ball as probably do 17 other clubs. "

This is just BS statement. Did you actually watch the game last night, last week, any game this season any season?

Our delivery into the forward line is appalling, the first choice of every other club in the league is to deliver the ball to the advantage of their forwards.

But we are the only club where bomb it long is the first second and third option !!!!

 

[plugger66]

Ha ha ha - at least you've killed the discussion now because its clear you're just trolling

"And why do Richmond also bomb the ball as probably do 17 other clubs. "

This is just BS statement. Did you actually watch the game last night, last week, any game this season any season?

Our delivery into the forward line is appalling, the first choice of every other club in the league is to deliver the ball to the advantage of their forwards.

But we are the only club where bomb it long is the first second and third option !!!!

Not trolling at all. Every club bombs as does ever club kick to players in space. Anyway how does having an extra tall help because that is what you want but it seems no other club unless they are better than average players.


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