Cars & Transportation Myki

[matera_goal]

Chalk one up for Perth not being the one being behind the times/cocking something up.

WHAT!??! Perth has infrastructure superior than another major Australian city?

[/hell frozen over]

 

[mantis]

WHAT!??! Perth has infrastructure superior than another major Australian city?

[/hell frozen over]

Don't get carried away, the transport network was crap. I had to catch 3 different buses to go the 6km from my home to work, which took an hour to an hour & a half, dependeing on if the buses were on time or not.

But the ticket system.

 

[crownie]

they have a simliar system in LA where you buy a card and bulk your money on it and just scan it, i thought it worked well although it was never busy.

 

[Deledinho]

Don't get carried away, the transport network was crap. I had to catch 3 different buses to go the 6km from my home to work, which took an hour to an hour & a half, dependeing on if the buses were on time or not.

But the ticket system.

Gotta agree with Mantis on that one. It's fairly impressive compared to the shambles we have now, even taking Myki out of the equation. If Kosky had any sense (which we know she doesn't), we should have just blatantly ripped off the Smartrider system in WA and saved a helluva lot of angst.

 

[Scotland]

Perth's PT infrastructure is crap. This is by virtue of the fact that the metropolitan area is home to around 1.5 million people and covers the same area as a medium sized African nation, and the fact that is perpetually governed by inept fools.

What system there is however, works pretty well and the ticketing system is easy to use. The train system is very reliable, though not especially desirable after dark in some places.

 

[stringerbell]

I assume its rather similar to the Oyster system in London?

Worked pretty well for me, although I admit I wasn't on the Tube or the bus at peak times. Dont take public transport very much anyway, live close to the city so I walk mostly.

Kosky is a fool however

 

[John Dorian]

Does this mean the end of metcards that are great collectables?

 

[Speck]

What a disgrace introducing it on trains only.

Going to stuff the system right up. Its pointless.

 

[Warsaw]

When's the metcard meant to stop working? Could I buy a yearly for next year and just work on that or what.

I don't get this bs. Have to determine how many days consecutively i'll be using it? How the **** am I supposed to know. And the fact that Kosky and the Myki people admit to it as being complex doesn't help ease my state of mind...

 

[red+black]

What a disgrace introducing it on trains only.

Going to stuff the system right up. Its pointless.

And PT is free after 6pm today anyway, up until about 7am tomorrow I believe.

When's the metcard meant to stop working? Could I buy a yearly for next year and just work on that or what.

Found a Q+A, read this: http://www.ptua.org.au/2009/11/18/myki-qa/

 

[lifelike_]

It'll be interesting to see whether or not it has an impact on timetables.

If the hit and miss scanning continues, I'll be surprised if peak-hour trams are able to stay on time.

 

[Dawson]

is going to be (imo) a real problem in victoria. listening to neil mitchell's show on 3aw just prior, how is the machine going to cope when 30,000 people are streaming through the gates at richmond station after a big drawing fixture (for example)? wayyyy too many flaws with this, imo.

No different to how it copes now

 

[Dawson]

I can't see how they will work on trams. Trams into the CBD at peak hour are always chockers, you can barely fit on (if at all) most of the time.

What will happen when, for example, an overfull tram down Swanston Street at peak hour stops outside Melbourne Central and half the tram wants to get off at the one stop? How long will this take?!

Exactly the same thing that happens now.

Why do you assume things will change?

You put a ticket through a machine with met ticket, you will do predominately the same thing with myki

The sky isn't falling

 

[SJ]

Exactly the same thing that happens now.

Why do you assume things will change?

You put a ticket through a machine with met ticket, you will do predominately the same thing with myki

The sky isn't falling

On a tram currently you only have to put a Metcard through the machine if it needs validation - and only once for the trip. Unlike my understanding of the myki system, none of this needs to be done, for example, upon disembarking on a tram at Melbourne Central or Flinders Street Station, where three-quarters of a packed peak-hour tram will get off at once.

If you travelled regularly on a similar tram you'd understand.

 

[Dawson]

On a tram currently you only have to put a Metcard through the machine if it needs validation - and only once for the trip. Unlike my understanding of the myki system, none of this needs to be done, for example, upon disembarking on a tram at Melbourne Central or Flinders Street Station, where three-quarters of a packed peak-hour tram will get off at once.

If you travelled regularly on a similar tram you'd understand.

I use the public transport system every working day, I do understand, I think perhaps "ye does protest to much".
Its a non issue and in a years time not even you will be discussing it.

 

[lemon chicken]

Exactly the same thing that happens now.

Why do you assume things will change?

You put a ticket through a machine with met ticket, you will do predominately the same thing with myki

The sky isn't falling

For trains there wont be too much of a change but i think the point SJ is making is trams dont require you to scan when you get off. Now if 30 people all get off at the same stop and have to scan or risk being over-charged it will be a nightmare. All it will encourage is increased fare evasion. After reading that PTUA website it says London stopped making people touch off for trams and buses, i'd assume this would be the most likely outcome for Melb as well.

 

[omit]

had a look on the website and I couldn't find concession tickets for a tertiary student, am I looking in the wrong place, is this an over sight or a cash grab?

 

[Dawson]

For trains there wont be too much of a change but i think the point SJ is making is trams dont require you to scan when you get off. Now if 30 people all get off at the same stop and have to scan or risk being over-charged it will be a nightmare. All it will encourage is increased fare evasion. After reading that PTUA website it says London stopped making people touch off for trams and buses, i'd assume this would be the most likely outcome for Melb as well.

As you approach your stop to get off you walk past a scanner and scan your myki.

The tram hasn't stopped yet so there is no one getting on.

Believe me in a years time you won't even recall having the slightest concern.

 

[red+black]

No different to how it copes now

Exactly the same thing that happens now.

Why do you assume things will change?

You put a ticket through a machine with met ticket, you will do predominately the same thing with myki

The sky isn't falling

I use the public transport system every working day, I do understand, I think perhaps "ye does protest to much".
Its a non issue and in a years time not even you will be discussing it.

As you approach your stop to get off you walk past a scanner and scan your myki.

The tram hasn't stopped yet so there is no one getting on.

Believe me in a years time you won't even recall having the slightest concern.

OK, we get it, you're a myki apologist. You seem to be the one with a lot to say, yet that is exactly what you accuse others of. So, given your years of public transport use, of course that makes you an authority, and an authority above everyone else that uses public transport on a daily basis, you believe that when 40 people get off a tram at Melbourne Central station, the time it takes them to alight using myki will be the same as under the Metcard system. Justify your position.

 

[Dawson]

Sorry, I thought this board was open to all posters opinions, not just those that agree on something.

I apologise.

So can you tell me what I should think about myki?

 

[red+black]

I will repeat the question for you.

Under the Metcard system, people are able to alight a tram en masse as quickly as they can.

Under the Myki system, everyone will have to scan their card as they alight.

Please explain how 40 people getting off at Melbourne Central station and having to "touch off" their myki card will take the exact same time as 40 people just hopping off the tram without having to stop to swipe their card.

 

[Damon_3388]

As poor as our public transport system is in Adelaide (infrequency of services/lack of after midnight services being the main gripe for me), I find out ticket system to be simple, easy, effective and relatively cheap. We have the same tickets for buses, trams and trains. You can buy single trip tickets (last for two hours), day trip (last all day), or multi-trip (ten trips, which for me as a tertiary student costs $14.40), as well as peak (24/7 usage) or interpeak (between 9:01am and 3pm) tickets. Pension card holders travel for free between 9:01am and 3pm as well. People either pre-buy their tickets (multi-trips, train passengers) or buy them on the transport (usually single trip/day trip bus and tram passengers, and some train passengers). Buses are the main form of public transport in Adelaide though, and trains and trams aren't as prominent/widespread here as they are in Melbourne.

With the single trip and multi-trip tickets, you can travel on as many buses, trams or trains you like within two hours, and it counts as one 'trip', and it's recorded automatically after the ticket is put through the machine on the bus, train or tram (and the expiry time is marked on the ticket). So there's no confusion and/or dodging of fares, unless you choose not to validate your ticket, which most drivers will pull you up on.

 

[SJ]

As poor as our public transport system is in Adelaide (infrequency of services/lack of after midnight services being the main gripe for me), I find out ticket system to be simple, easy, effective and relatively cheap. We have the same tickets for buses, trams and trains. You can buy single trip tickets (last for two hours), day trip (last all day), or multi-trip (ten trips), as well as peak (24/7 usage) or interpeak (between 9:01am and 3pm) tickets. Pension card holders travel for free between 9:01am and 3pm as well.

With the single trip and multi-trip tickets, you can travel on as many buses, trams or trains you like within two hours, and it counts as one 'trip', and it's recorded automatically after the ticket is put through the machine (and the expiry time is marked on the ticket). So there's no confusion and/or dodging of fares, unless you choose not to validate your ticket, which most drivers will pull you up on.

That is basically the existing system in Melbourne.

It is costing $1.3b to replace it - and so far the new system is running three years late.

 

[Damon_3388]

That is basically the existing system in Melbourne.

It is costing $1.3b to replace it - and so far the new system is running three years late.

What exactly is the point of the new system then, if it's only going to cost more (both to implement and for the commuters) and take up more time for commuters?

 

[SJ]

Good question.