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Ant85 said:
Agree wholeheartedly.

Although people here are frying Connors, could it be that Connors also advised Freeman to stay with us? I recall reading Connors saying somewhere he had given Freeman his advice on what he should do, without stipulating what it was, but it just gave me a hunch he might have counselled against the walk-out.
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Yeah not sure why many are assuming this is Conners or St Kilda's fault. In the end Freeman made the decision and for all we know he did it against his managers advice.
 
ace andy said:
Yeah not sure why many are assuming this is Conners or St Kilda's fault. In the end Freeman made the decision and for all we know he did it against his managers advice.
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St Kilda targeted Freeman and would have been in contact with him months ago.
 

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I am amused by some comments in this thread.

I like many am very dissapointed with Freeman. I understand there is more money and security at st.kilda, but we are not talking a Buddy like deal. It wouldve been nice to see some loyalty and it wouldve been nice to see freeman back in his own ability to force his way into the team.

But player movement is part of the game. We are prying a young star midfielder from GWS. We also took Adams from them. Imagine how they feel having put 4 to 5 years into a guy and turn him into a gun just for him to walk out as he hits his peak.

At least freeman isnt top 22 yet so we are not weakening our current side.

In any event, im not going to hold st.kilda blameless for taking the punt on freeman. They sense an opportunity to get a top 10 pick cheaply. But they are taking a punt that they can get his body right and they are paying him overs on a longer contract.

I highly doubt negotiations will be anything other than amicable. I doubt we are going to go out of our way to facilitate nathans requests, but Hine will get the best outcome he can for the club.

If ever there was a time where Hine couldve played nasty it was the beams deal last year. But even then we ultimately maximised the value and moved on. Relationships at the trade table are actually important.

Hine will play hardball. But we will ultimately make the deal because we are not going to keep a kid who doesnt want to play for us.

I think the deal will be more complex than a simple trade for a 2nd round pick. The suggestions thrown up regarding sydneys pick 14 are exciting to be honest.
 
ace andy said:
So what? We did the same with Treloer. Its evil St kilda when they do it to us but its fine if we do it to the Giants? Get over it. You should be mad at Freeman not the saints.
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My point is that St Kilda will need to come up with suitable compensation, just as we will for Treloar. I am aware that players change clubs.
 
I can't remember or find the poster who claimed that he had a conversation with Freeman in which he said that he was worried about getting a game at Collingwood, but that information has been confirmed by his manager (from AFL article in Trade talk thread): 'Freeman's manager Paul Connors said last week his client's move was not financially motivated, but rather driven by a perceived lack of opportunity at the Pies.'
 
Saintly Viewed said:
He plays well in a well playimg side, does go missing when side goes missing.
He did want to go home IIRC, and his form for us tapered. Maybe he needed that kick up the proverbial to recapture his form.
Doubt hed make us better than what we have.
Treloar will for example
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Exactly this, Wellingham is a massive downhill skier. Funny how he has only started playing well for the Eagles since they started playing well.

When we played well so did he. When we played bad is was one of our worst.
 
Troglodyte said:
so if a trade can't be finalised is it likely that we keep him and both parties move on and make it work or would he be more likely to go into the draft and we lose him for nothing?
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He won't stay. Burned his bridges.
 
BringouttheGimp said:
its players who have so called 'burnt their bridges' and admit theyve got it wrong and return or play on that usually make great players. im hoping by some chance that he does stay.
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The whole PR campaign has made it difficult for him to stay at this stage.
It is not about the money, at the same time negotiations were underway and Saints pried him away with a better contract. We get 1(!) midfielder which will apparently deny him opportunities while he is the successor of Swan. Then rumours make it out to be the fitness department. Image is that of an unhappy player that wants a clean break from it all and thinks grass is greener somewhere else. That is not uncommon.
We returned fire with a lack of loyalty and lack of commitment.
Doubt this episode would have gone down well with either side. Who knows what has gone on behind the scenes.
Just doesn't look good at the moment.
Maybe in a few years he can come back as an accomplished and matured player. But if things go well at Saints, you think he will? And if they don't, you think we want him again?
 

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TheGreatGrundy said:
I can't remember or find the poster who claimed that he had a conversation with Freeman in which he said that he was worried about getting a game at Collingwood, but that information has been confirmed by his manager (from AFL article in Trade talk thread): 'Freeman's manager Paul Connors said last week his client's move was not financially motivated, but rather driven by a perceived lack of opportunity at the Pies.'
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We badly need a half forward goal kicker that can play minutes in the middle. This is him. There's 2 spots sitting there for him. Cloke, Elliot, Fasolo take 3 spots. Rest up for grabs. He would certainly take Blair's spot if he plays the way the Hine thinks he would. And no sub next year either.
 
rose jam said:
We badly need a half forward goal kicker that can play minutes in the middle. This is him. There's 2 spots sitting there for him. Cloke, Elliot, Fasolo take 3 spots. Rest up for grabs. He would certainly take Blair's spot if he plays the way the Hine thinks he would. And no sub next year either.
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I am sure he knows that. He has been at the club for 2 years. It is just bogus what Connors has come up with and he tried it make sound plausible with Treloar coming in.
 
rose jam said:
We badly need a half forward goal kicker that can play minutes in the middle. This is him. There's 2 spots sitting there for him. Cloke, Elliot, Fasolo take 3 spots. Rest up for grabs. He would certainly take Blair's spot if he plays the way the Hine thinks he would. And no sub next year either.
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Freeman is not a goal kicker at all, he is an outside mid with elite endurance and speed (pre hammy), okay kick but can't win his own footy.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
I can't remember or find the poster who claimed that he had a conversation with Freeman in which he said that he was worried about getting a game at Collingwood, but that information has been confirmed by his manager (from AFL article in Trade talk thread): 'Freeman's manager Paul Connors said last week his client's move was not financially motivated, but rather driven by a perceived lack of opportunity at the Pies.'
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What Opportunity? Don't get any on the Injury List
 
rose jam said:
We badly need a half forward goal kicker that can play minutes in the middle. This is him. There's 2 spots sitting there for him. Cloke, Elliot, Fasolo take 3 spots. Rest up for grabs. He would certainly take Blair's spot if he plays the way the Hine thinks he would. And no sub next year either.
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How anyone with pace picked in the top 10 of a strong draft could conclude that there may not be a spot for him is beyond my understanding. I am afraid that I can find nothing within me that wishes Freeman the best of luck at a new club. I actually wish him a continuation of his current situation throughout the rest of what I hope will be a short career. I would like to smile more benignly upon him but cannot find it in me to do so. After the club nursed him through 2 years of injury and rehab, I thought that he might be hell bent on repaying the hope and faith of Collingwood fans next year. Apparently not.
 

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He's just a kid with a pushy parent I'm afraid. Let another club have him and they can sort dad out.
I'd actually rather take his manager to task....
Can we blackball Connors or does he handle half the team?

I repeat....can anyone tell me one "gun" that Connors has directed our way?
 
Robroy22 said:
He's just a kid with a pushy parent I'm afraid. Let another club have him and they can sort dad out.
I'd actually rather take his manager to task....
Can we blackball Connors or does he handle half the team?

I repeat....can anyone tell me one "gun" that Connors has directed our way?
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May not be a gun but he helped manipulate Luke Ball onto our books by refusing medicals at other clubs.
 
Robroy22 said:
He's just a kid with a pushy parent I'm afraid. Let another club have him and they can sort dad out.
I'd actually rather take his manager to task....
Can we blackball Connors or does he handle half the team?

I repeat....can anyone tell me one "gun" that Connors has directed our way?
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Why - What did his Dad Do?
 
Robroy22 said:
lol....Ross Lyon did that one
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See my updated post above. Yes Lyon & co vetoed the trade but he was obviously involved in Ball's decision to choose Collingwood as his club of choice in the first place then stick with that post trade period in the face of uncertainty.

He is just a typical player manager. Using all the tricks in the book to get his client to where they want to go. Sometimes it's Collingwood sometimes it's not.
 
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