Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[TheGreatGrundy]

Good reply, caught bullshitting im guessing
Just answer the question

I enjoyed that sort of tennis. Haven't watched tennis since McEnroe and Jimmy Connors' playing days.

 

[juzzo]

There is a thing or two you need to learn about the Royal Sampler before you ridicule his medical knowledge! Do your research.

Knowledgeable people can be wrong, especially when guessing from the outside. Research on what? What do you know of my background?

 

[sirlothie]

[QUOTE="MickGoPies, post: 38485990, member: 143316"

Poor Freeman... it's his strength and distinguishing feature the sprinting and busting away from packs.
Might have to change his game to in and under?[/QUOTE]

Much like Luke Ball, who had a great career. I can see resemblances between those too.

 

[sr36]

I enjoyed that sort of tennis. Haven't watched tennis since McEnroe and Jimmy Connors' playing days.

I stopped watching more recently than you. Agassi was great to watch, after him I lost interest.

 

[jackcass]

I wasn't expecting Young to get a game for us again unless we have massive injury issues, even more so than now

Feel sorry for Nathan. Was looking forward to him playing. The thing I remember from his 1 qtr of NAB cup footy last year was his speed. Exactly what we need someone like him sprinting away from a stoppage

Young was among our best against the bombers at windy hill until he was injured. Get him fit and at a minimum he provides fantastic senior back up, at best his form will demand senior selection. I don't get this need some seem to have with artificially restricting our list 6 rounds into what is a marathon season.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I stopped watching more recently than you. Agassi was great to watch, after him I lost interest.

I liked the friction and abuse but didn't care so much for the tennis.

 

[Gone Critical]

Gee this board veers between over the top optimism and chicken little at an alarming rate. For all the cries early in the season that Freeman should just slot into the AFL team immediately without consideration of waiting for him to prove himself with performance are now being balanced out by thecries he is now near career over.

Few facts.

No one here is privy to any of the fitness and medical information on Freeman so speculating on his fitness and medical management is null and void.

He sustained a severe hamstring injury missing a season so was almost always going to take time to be AFL ready. It's not a concern he is yet to debut considering 2014

Exploratory surgery is just that. They will be looking for some scar tissue which may be adherent and plan to debride that or some scar tissue entrapping a nerve and debride that. These are the sorts of things that are likely to be done. Yes it is a set back and a disappointment but it is nothing like career threatening.

If people hadn't been so over the top in their beliefs about how quickly Freeman was likely to get back they would be more accepting about delays. It is the nature of severe injuries that further, more minor clean ups are often needed later. Think of all the minor surgeries that are put off to the post season.

In this case it's a young developing kid and early in the season. The. Clubs docs and surgeon will have made an assessment better to do this now so he an get back to playing later in 2015 and make the season useful rather than carry on further. Not really a biggie.

As for the idea that this represents some sort of mismanagement we cannot say. However surgery is not a panacea for all ills. A great adage I was taught in the past is "1st do no harm". It's not a bad policy to go with. In most situations the conservative line is usually tried 1st. I am sure the staff have been monitoring Freeman's "soreness" since it developed and trying conservative things to settle it. That may not have worked so the surgery card is now being played. These things are no where near as "black and white" as some are imagining.

I suggest we all chill a little, let Freeman get over this set back like many players are required to do, and then give him time to develop in the VFL before we all go chicken little again.

Just because he was called out at no 10 in the draft does not make him immune from needing time to get over major injury and then more time again to develop his craft. He needs time.

 

[THATSGOLD]

I can't see him ever debuting in the senior team the way things are going.

 

[Good_Old]

I can't see him ever debuting in the senior team the way things are going.

Be honest, you overstate things on purpose to try and whip people in a fenzy, don't you?

Can anyone tell me which particular hamstring muscle that he's having issues with?

 

[gutsroy]

If it has been limiting him, and he and the club will be best placed to judge that, then it seems a sensible course. It is a shame that both he and Scharenberg have been so hampered in their first two years, hope it turns for them.

 

[pieanitis]

Gee this board veers between over the top optimism and chicken little at an alarming rate. For all the cries early in the season that Freeman should just slot into the AFL team immediately without consideration of waiting for him to prove himself with performance are now being balanced out by thecries he is now near career over.

Few facts.

No one here is privy to any of the fitness and medical information on Freeman so speculating on his fitness and medical management is null and void.

He sustained a severe hamstring injury missing a season so was almost always going to take time to be AFL ready. It's not a concern he is yet to debut considering 2014

Exploratory surgery is just that. They will be looking for some scar tissue which may be adherent and plan to debride that or some scar tissue entrapping a nerve and debride that. These are the sorts of things that are likely to be done. Yes it is a set back and a disappointment but it is nothing like career threatening.

If people hadn't been so over the top in their beliefs about how quickly Freeman was likely to get back they would be more accepting about delays. It is the nature of severe injuries that further, more minor clean ups are often needed later. Think of all the minor surgeries that are put off to the post season.

In this case it's a young developing kid and early in the season. The. Clubs docs and surgeon will have made an assessment better to do this now so he an get back to playing later in 2015 and make the season useful rather than carry on further. Not really a biggie.

As for the idea that this represents some sort of mismanagement we cannot say. However surgery is not a panacea for all ills. A great adage I was taught in the past is "1st do no harm". It's not a bad policy to go with. In most situations the conservative line is usually tried 1st. I am sure the staff have been monitoring Freeman's "soreness" since it developed and trying conservative things to settle it. That may not have worked so the surgery card is now being played. These things are no where near as "black and white" as some are imagining.

I suggest we all chill a little, let Freeman get over this set back like many players are required to do, and then give him time to develop in the VFL before we all go chicken little again.

Just because he was called out at no 10 in the draft does not make him immune from needing time to get over major injury and then more time again to develop his craft. He needs time.

Best post I've read in quite a while GC, love your work!!!!!

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Be honest, you overstate things on purpose to try and whip people in a fenzy, don't you?

Can anyone tell me which particular hamstring muscle that he's having issues with?

THATSGOLD = Poe's law.

 

[Gone Critical]

I can't see him ever debuting in the senior team the way things are going.

Well that really just shows where your understanding of football is flawed.

TG I would suggest rather than getting panicky all the time when something goes amiss and jumping to worst case scenarios try slowing down a little and thinking things through a little and achieving some balance.

Going panic stations over every bit of bad news doesn't serve you well.

 

[Scodog10]

David Wirrapunda would have had 8 to 10 hammy injurues from 16 to 20 years old. Barely played early years and git through it. Body eventually settled in his early 20s.

Ugh that's not exactly a comforting comparison Wirrpanda's body was shot at the age of 29...

 

[Kirby]

Gee this board veers between over the top optimism and chicken little at an alarming rate. For all the cries early in the season that Freeman should just slot into the AFL team immediately without consideration of waiting for him to prove himself with performance are now being balanced out by thecries he is now near career over.

Few facts.

No one here is privy to any of the fitness and medical information on Freeman so speculating on his fitness and medical management is null and void.

He sustained a severe hamstring injury missing a season so was almost always going to take time to be AFL ready. It's not a concern he is yet to debut considering 2014

Exploratory surgery is just that. They will be looking for some scar tissue which may be adherent and plan to debride that or some scar tissue entrapping a nerve and debride that. These are the sorts of things that are likely to be done. Yes it is a set back and a disappointment but it is nothing like career threatening.

If people hadn't been so over the top in their beliefs about how quickly Freeman was likely to get back they would be more accepting about delays. It is the nature of severe injuries that further, more minor clean ups are often needed later. Think of all the minor surgeries that are put off to the post season.

In this case it's a young developing kid and early in the season. The. Clubs docs and surgeon will have made an assessment better to do this now so he an get back to playing later in 2015 and make the season useful rather than carry on further. Not really a biggie.

As for the idea that this represents some sort of mismanagement we cannot say. However surgery is not a panacea for all ills. A great adage I was taught in the past is "1st do no harm". It's not a bad policy to go with. In most situations the conservative line is usually tried 1st. I am sure the staff have been monitoring Freeman's "soreness" since it developed and trying conservative things to settle it. That may not have worked so the surgery card is now being played. These things are no where near as "black and white" as some are imagining.

I suggest we all chill a little, let Freeman get over this set back like many players are required to do, and then give him time to develop in the VFL before we all go chicken little again.

Just because he was called out at no 10 in the draft does not make him immune from needing time to get over major injury and then more time again to develop his craft. He needs time.

I would give this post 1 million likes if I could.

For those posters that don't know GC is actually a surgeon. He's not some kid behind a keyboard making stuff up for attention.

 

[Lefthanded]

Gee this board veers between over the top optimism and chicken little at an alarming rate. For all the cries early in the season that Freeman should just slot into the AFL team immediately without consideration of waiting for him to prove himself with performance are now being balanced out by thecries he is now near career over.

Few facts.

No one here is privy to any of the fitness and medical information on Freeman so speculating on his fitness and medical management is null and void.

He sustained a severe hamstring injury missing a season so was almost always going to take time to be AFL ready. It's not a concern he is yet to debut considering 2014

Exploratory surgery is just that. They will be looking for some scar tissue which may be adherent and plan to debride that or some scar tissue entrapping a nerve and debride that. These are the sorts of things that are likely to be done. Yes it is a set back and a disappointment but it is nothing like career threatening.

If people hadn't been so over the top in their beliefs about how quickly Freeman was likely to get back they would be more accepting about delays. It is the nature of severe injuries that further, more minor clean ups are often needed later. Think of all the minor surgeries that are put off to the post season.

In this case it's a young developing kid and early in the season. The. Clubs docs and surgeon will have made an assessment better to do this now so he an get back to playing later in 2015 and make the season useful rather than carry on further. Not really a biggie.

As for the idea that this represents some sort of mismanagement we cannot say. However surgery is not a panacea for all ills. A great adage I was taught in the past is "1st do no harm". It's not a bad policy to go with. In most situations the conservative line is usually tried 1st. I am sure the staff have been monitoring Freeman's "soreness" since it developed and trying conservative things to settle it. That may not have worked so the surgery card is now being played. These things are no where near as "black and white" as some are imagining.

I suggest we all chill a little, let Freeman get over this set back like many players are required to do, and then give him time to develop in the VFL before we all go chicken little again.

Just because he was called out at no 10 in the draft does not make him immune from needing time to get over major injury and then more time again to develop his craft. He needs time.

Good post, but can't we just say that Freeman's hamstrings are not up to bearing the weight of expectation from Pies' supporters!

 

[Dynamics]

Everyone just read GC's post a couple times, make a nice cup of tea and take a few deep, calming breaths.

Everything is going to be OK.

 

[jackcass]

Ugh that's not exactly a comforting comparison Wirrpanda's body was shot at the age of 29...

Had the extra burden of the travel factor though.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

FYI
Vocab: 'Debride' (GC's post) - Not a synonym for divorce!

1. Debride: To remove dead, contaminated, or adherent tissue and/or foreign material. To debride a wound is to remove all materials that may promote infection and impede healing. This may be done by enzymes (as with proteolytic enzymes), mechanical methods (as in a whirlpool), or sharp debridement (using intruments).

 

[Scodog10]

Had the extra burden of the travel factor though.

Do you mean like Pavlich?

 

[Hardas]

Railing against all real or perceived problems makes some people feel better.

 

[TW Sherrin]

FYI
Vocab: 'Debride' (GC's post) - Not a synonym for divorce!

1. Debride: To remove dead, contaminated, or adherent tissue and/or foreign material. To debride a wound is to remove all materials that may promote infection and impede healing. This may be done by enzymes (as with proteolytic enzymes), mechanical methods (as in a whirlpool), or sharp debridement (using intruments).

eg. carlton will debride their coach.......

 

[TW Sherrin]

Gee this board veers between over the top optimism and chicken little at an alarming rate. For all the cries early in the season that Freeman should just slot into the AFL team immediately without consideration of waiting for him to prove himself with performance are now being balanced out by thecries he is now near career over.

Few facts.

No one here is privy to any of the fitness and medical information on Freeman so speculating on his fitness and medical management is null and void.

He sustained a severe hamstring injury missing a season so was almost always going to take time to be AFL ready. It's not a concern he is yet to debut considering 2014

Exploratory surgery is just that. They will be looking for some scar tissue which may be adherent and plan to debride that or some scar tissue entrapping a nerve and debride that. These are the sorts of things that are likely to be done. Yes it is a set back and a disappointment but it is nothing like career threatening.

If people hadn't been so over the top in their beliefs about how quickly Freeman was likely to get back they would be more accepting about delays. It is the nature of severe injuries that further, more minor clean ups are often needed later. Think of all the minor surgeries that are put off to the post season.

In this case it's a young developing kid and early in the season. The. Clubs docs and surgeon will have made an assessment better to do this now so he an get back to playing later in 2015 and make the season useful rather than carry on further. Not really a biggie.

As for the idea that this represents some sort of mismanagement we cannot say. However surgery is not a panacea for all ills. A great adage I was taught in the past is "1st do no harm". It's not a bad policy to go with. In most situations the conservative line is usually tried 1st. I am sure the staff have been monitoring Freeman's "soreness" since it developed and trying conservative things to settle it. That may not have worked so the surgery card is now being played. These things are no where near as "black and white" as some are imagining.

I suggest we all chill a little, let Freeman get over this set back like many players are required to do, and then give him time to develop in the VFL before we all go chicken little again.

Just because he was called out at no 10 in the draft does not make him immune from needing time to get over major injury and then more time again to develop his craft. He needs time.

if he wasnt the pre season poster boy I doubt the angst would be as great.

 

[jackcass]

Do you mean like Pavlich?

Exactly....

 

[pieanitis]

I would give this post 1 million likes if I could.

For those posters that don't know GC is actually a surgeon. He's not some kid behind a keyboard making stuff up for attention.

The fact that GC is a surgeon is neither here nor there. His/Her post resonated with me not because it gave me a clearer insight into the medical predicament Freeman is in. It struck a chord because it was logical....and well constructed logic at that!!!