Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[76woodenspooners]

Something else everyone forgets

Luke Ball does his ACL - sent back onto the field (first time I've ever seen or heard of that happening)

Abbott does his shoulder (needs reco) - sent back onto the field

Tim Broomhead does a serious shoulder injury (might need surgery) - sent back onto the field

Ben Sinclair carefully managed for 3 quarters of game time - sent onto the field in the last because the game was in the balance and ends up missing the next 1-2 weeks.

There are many other examples too, like Cloke coming into a match with a dodgy calf then tearing it in the first 5 mins.. but hey, we could go on forever and it's beyond doubt anyway that the Collingwood medical staff are simply beyond question (because we don't have medical degrees ).

And that's my rant done for the day

You haven't listed the thousands of examples of when a player has been under some injury cloud, they've gone onto the field, and they've been perfectly fine.

I think it was Maxy who once said that pretty much every player is carrying something.

If every player who had a niggle was held back, clubs would struggle to field a team!

 

[76woodenspooners]

Reid and Cloke's contracts are a ball and chain on our salary cap

We are getting extremely poor value for money on both.

The only two long term contracts I can remember the club doing in recent times too

That Pendlebury lad we put on the long term contract goes alright?

 

[jmac70]

Who would be silly enough to give away their pick in the 20s for a guy that can't get on the park when you can pick a guy ready to go?

What has happened to Freeman has been terrible. It seems that every couple of weeks you post a little snide comment as if you are trying to prove something. Your "is he still alive" posts are truly pathetic. The kid was selected based on his outstanding talent and efforts as a junior and no one could have foreseen the severity of his injury.

What is your agenda TG? Are you really this pathetic as to use an injury to promote your own petty little objectives. I believe that you are the only person on this forum who does not want Freeman to succeed.

 

[SApies]

Who would be silly enough to give away their pick in the 20s for a guy that can't get on the park when you can pick a guy ready to go?

Carlton

 

[No SPIN]

They can't star if they aren't playing. No one would take Reid now. Doubt anyone would touch Freeman now either.

So delisting them is your solution becuase thats the only way to add 2 to the list - NFI

 

[Markfs]

What has happened to Freeman has been terrible. It seems that every couple of weeks you post a little snide comment as if you are trying to prove something. Your "is he still alive" posts are truly pathetic. The kid was selected based on his outstanding talent and efforts as a junior and no one could have foreseen the severity of his injury.

What is your agenda TG? Are you really this pathetic as to use an injury to promote your own petty little objectives. I believe that you are the only person on this forum who does not want Freeman to succeed.

I thought his comment was pretty realistic. Why would a team swap a pick in the 20s for a player picked at 10 who has chronic hamstring problems? I'm not defending his earlier stuff, just this comment.

 

[jmac70]

I thought his comment was pretty realistic. Why would a team swap a pick in the 20s for a player picked at 10 who has chronic hamstring problems? I'm not defending his earlier stuff, just this comment.

My post was aimed at his general behaviour. His post "is he still alive" (#632) was the first post made since the 8th July. Purely intended to bump the thread, so that he can wheel out his tired agenda about who we should have recruited and that Freeman will never play again. Remember the crap he posted after Grundy got injured? The guy is a serial pest and easily the worst poster here.

 

[Markfs]

They can't star if they aren't playing. No one would take Reid now. Doubt anyone would touch Freeman now either.

I wonder if these two were dropped off the list and Sam Mitchell was dropped off Hawthorn's list, who would be selected first in the preseason draft.....

*for those who didnt watch last night Wayne Carey said that Mitchell wouldnt get a game at another club...

 

[Markfs]

My post was aimed at his general behaviour. His post "is he still alive" (#632) was the first post made since the 8th July. Purely intended to bump the thread, so that he can wheel out his tired agenda about who we should have recruited and that Freeman will never play again. Remember the crap he posted after grundy got injured? The guy is a serial pest and easily the worst poster here.

maybe...but i tend to agree with that one post of his...

 

[rand corp]

Reid and Sinclair have to be at high risk of being delisted given they cannot get on the park

Thomas and Keefe obviously gawn

Young gone

Freeman should get one more year if he can show he is right to play now.

 

[Apex36]

Reid and Sinclair have to be at high risk of being delisted given they cannot get on the park

Thomas and Keefe obviously gawn

Young gone

Freeman should get one more year if he can show he is right to play now.

Reid still has 3 years of a 4 year contract to run, at around $600k+ per year. I doubt the club would simply pay out around $2 million to scrap him if they felt there was the slightest chance they could get him back on the park as a productive footballer.

 

[rand corp]

Reid still has 3 years of a 4 year contract to run, at around $600k+ per year. I doubt the club would simply pay out around $2 million to scrap him if they felt there was the slightest chance they could get him back on the park as a productive footballer.

Yes it s very valid point and you are probably right, however consider at the moment he is costing us 600k A year and simply taking up a slot on the list for zero return. It would be a monumental decision but, for 2 years now we have not only had zero return on investment, we have also lost the chance to develop another asset.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Unless we want to pay him out around $2 million, no.

Pay to be on the list doing nothing taking up a list spot or just let him retire and find someone else to play for Collingwood.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Reid and Sinclair have to be at high risk of being delisted given they cannot get on the park

Thomas and Keefe obviously gawn

Young gone

Freeman should get one more year if he can show he is right to play now.

I'd do exactly what you've stated above. McCaffer is the other Id look at getting rid of.

 

[Bucksboys]

I'd do exactly what you've stated above. McCaffer is the other Id look at getting rid of.

 

[rustyg70]

Or maybe Bucks and Co realise that we aren't genuine contenders this year, so they are playing it ultra conservatively with our injuries, knowing that our window should start to open next year.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'd do exactly what you've stated above. McCaffer is the other Id look at getting rid of.

Caff recently signed a 12 month extension

 

[Scodog10]

Or maybe Bucks and Co realise that we aren't genuine contenders this year, so they are playing it ultra conservatively with our injuries, knowing that our window should start to open next year.

That makes little sense to me. Chemistry is so important in modern footy any forward, defensive or midfield unit needs to build good chemistry together before they can become a contender.

Continually holding a bloke back through conservatism in order to try and get more out of him isn't going to add to the teams mix nor help heading into 2016. Especially considering the ultra conservatism isn't working now anyway...

FWIW we aren't going to delist Reid it's such a silly notion it isn't worth discussing.

 

[Soaring Magpie]

Or maybe Bucks and Co realise that we aren't genuine contenders this year, so they are playing it ultra conservatively with our injuries, knowing that our window should start to open next year.

Its what they did last year when injuries struck, the conservative approach was taken to get them right for this years preseason. Hasn't exactly worked out well for them has it.
No need to play it conservative, get players fit and playing afl football!!

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Reid won't be delisted. Simples.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Reid won't be delisted. Simples.

Agree, it'll never happen during his contract period.

But there is a better chance of him deciding to retire (see Sean Rusling)

 

[shizzle]

McCaffer is the other Id look at getting rid of.

I agree, but the club has been extremely generous giving him a year extension. To be blunt, he would have zero trade value, nobody would have snapped him up in FA, a club may look at him if it was on a rookie contract.

I think the club has let sentimentality get in the way, sure he's a nice bloke but that's about where it ends for me.

 

[THATSGOLD]

I agree, but the club has been extremely generous giving him a year extension. To be blunt, he would have zero trade value, nobody would have snapped him up in FA, a club may look at him if it was on a rookie contract.

I think the club has let sentimentality get in the way, sure he's a nice bloke but that's about where it ends for me.

Sometimes you need to be more ruthless. McCaffer has done two knees now and had his position taken. Makes no sense to keep him for a year. Players come and go and you know from Beams Daisy etc the chance they get to take the $ they will go.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Caff recently signed a 12 month extension

Poor list management that on our behalf imo.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

On the other hand, I think/hope the hit we took in liat flexibility by extending Caff will pay off in terms of players' loyalty and happiness towards the club. It makes for a pretty crappy atmosphere if players get the sense that they'll be cut if they get a serious injury. Players will start trying to protect themselves and be less inclined to show loyalty to the club. Players like Treloar or Dangerfield will look at it and say "that's the culture I'm walking into?" and might go elsewhere.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just that there is a flipside to showing some loyalty to a guy like Caff that extends beyond whether he plays good AFL footy for us again.