Nathan Lyon

[Tulip]

Lyon did underperform massively in the UAE (I actually thought he did alright in India).

But it's harsh to criticise him based on this series.

It's not, because three tests went to day five and he only performed in one.

If he was mentally stronger and more assured of himself he would do okay, but you can see how he slumps when things aren't going his way. Shoulders droop, and he bowls flat rubbish.

 

[The Speaker]

Hinchliffe. He's more of a batting all-rounder. Only recently changed to chinamans, bowls quite darty.

That sounds just like Hogg's career path...

 

[Torz]

That sounds just like Hogg's career path...

19's national champs starts Monday if you want to keep tabs.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Chinaman would be the rarest type of bowler these days. Anybody know of any international left arm leggys?

 

[Scotland]

It's not, because three tests went to day five and he only performed in one.

If he was mentally stronger and more assured of himself he would do okay, but you can see how he slumps when things aren't going his way. Shoulders droop, and he bowls flat rubbish.

Three tests that went to 5 days on the same pitches where no pace bowler took more than 15 wickets across any 3 of the 4 tests. Seven batsmen made 100s while another 12 made 50s - 19 players scored 50 or more at least once.

This time last year Mitchell Johnson took 37 wickets @ 14 in 5 tests then followed it up with 22 wickets @ 17 in 3 tests in RSA. Against India he managed 13 wickets @ 30+. Let's not pretend Lyon was bowling on unplayable wickets on each 5th day. The wickets were flat and batsman friendly across the board, hence we had 8 400+ scores and one bowler with an average less than 30. Even in the Adelaide test when Lyon bowled us to victory India still managed 315 scoring at 3 and a half an over.

 

[BarneyBent]

Three tests that went to 5 days on the same pitches where no pace bowler took more than 15 wickets across any 3 of the 4 tests. Seven batsmen made 100s while another 12 made 50s - 19 players scored 50 or more at least once.

This time last year Mitchell Johnson took 37 wickets @ 14 in 5 tests then followed it up with 22 wickets @ 17 in 3 tests in RSA. Against India he managed 13 wickets @ 30+. Let's not pretend Lyon was bowling on unplayable wickets on each 5th day. The wickets were flat and batsman friendly across the board, hence we had 8 400+ scores and one bowler with an average less than 30. Even in the Adelaide test when Lyon bowled us to victory India still managed 315 scoring at 3 and a half an over.

India are also the best players of spin in world cricket. And Lyon outperformed India's spinners over the course of the series. Yes, there were times where his line and length wavered and his confidence dipped, but you can say that about every bowler on both teams.

 

[Power Raid]

India are also the best players of spin in world cricket. And Lyon outperformed India's spinners over the course of the series. Yes, there were times where his line and length wavered and his confidence dipped, but you can say that about every bowler on both teams.

I thought the shine of Lyon was finished after the Pakistan series but he can hold his head high after the Indian series.

 

[psychobrown]

Yes, he has come a long way in recent times. He doesn't quite have the drift and dip of Erin Osborne, but the Lawnmower Man can give it a rev now.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Chinaman would be the rarest type of bowler these days. Anybody know of any international left arm leggys?

Bevan probably the best of all time!

 

[Power Raid]

Chinaman would be the rarest type of bowler these days. Anybody know of any international left arm leggys?

Sobers (I think)

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Oh wow - he finally did something on a 5th day wicket!!!!!!!

Through enough darts and you'll eventually hit a bulls eye...7/152 - hardly mesmerizing figures. It was more of a choke by the Indians rather than an exhibition of skills by Mr Mackey.

This is the dumbest post I've ever read

Australian spinners have regularly run through Indian batting line ups over the years of course

He was only responsible for half our wins

We need to blood a young spinner who can't buy a wicket at Shield level

 

[Power Raid]

Chinaman would be the rarest type of bowler these days. Anybody know of any international left arm leggys?

Brad Hogg (?) and Simon Katich

 

[Power Raid]

Oh wow - he finally did something on a 5th day wicket!!!!!!!

Through enough darts and you'll eventually hit a bulls eye...7/152 - hardly mesmerizing figures. It was more of a choke by the Indians rather than an exhibition of skills by Mr Mackey.

did his job though

 

[Torz]

Brad Hogg (?) and Simon Katich

Not current though. I think I remember seeing a young Indian in the IPL who was bowling them. Did reasonably well, so might get an international run at some stage.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Not current though. I think I remember seeing a young Indian in the IPL who was bowling them. Did reasonably well, so might get an international run at some stage.

Yeah a bloke I used to play cricket against used to bowl them. Pretty difficult to face if he's landing them in the right spot because it spins so much. Clearly the rarest of all bowling types though.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

India are also the best players of spin in world cricket. And Lyon outperformed India's spinners over the course of the series. Yes, there were times where his line and length wavered and his confidence dipped, but you can say that about every bowler on both teams.

Lyon didn't out bowl Ashwin in the 3 tests Ashwin played.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Lyon didn't out bowl Ashwin in the 3 tests Ashwin played.

yeah that's true and Ashwin showed the aussies how to bowl spin on the 4th day. He would have had the ball turning like a carousel on the 5th day.

 

[Mateyman]

yeah that's true and Ashwin showed the aussies how to bowl spin on the 4th day. He would have had the ball turning like a carousel on the 5th day.

TBF it's a. Lot easier to take wickets when the batsmen are trying to slog you out of the park than when they are dead batting for a draw

 

[LukeParkerno1]

TBF it's a. Lot easier to take wickets when the batsmen are trying to slog you out of the park than when they are dead batting for a draw

To a degree, but then again over and over again Lyon bowls too flat. When he tosses it up around 84-85kmph he bowls muc better than his flat darts at 89kmph.

 

[The Swans Blog]

TBF it's a. Lot easier to take wickets when the batsmen are trying to slog you out of the park than when they are dead batting for a draw

Yes I thought that, but his variation and change ups would have caught a fair few batsman out, even those defending. Being able to bowl the doosra can bring a wicket. I remember murali absolutely destroying Australia with it years ago.

To a degree, but then again over and over again Lyon bowls too flat. When he tosses it up around 84-85kmph he bowls muc better than his flat darts at 89kmph.

The old Warne line - toss it up above their eyes and they become mesmorised. The slower you bowl, the more revolutions you need to turn it, but then you also get dip and drift, crucial weapons for a spin bowler. When you're bowling flat you're bowling fast and the ball skids on more often than not. In the 2nd innings his bowling was far too easy to play, but when he bowled it in the right areas he cause some problems.

 

[Mateyman]

Yes I thought that, but his variation and change ups would have caught a fair few batsman out, even those defending. Being able to bowl the doosra can bring a wicket. I remember murali absolutely destroying Australia with it years ago.

Not in Australia however

 

[The Passenger]

Chinaman would be the rarest type of bowler these days. Anybody know of any international left arm leggys?

Paul Adams had a surprisingly good test record, particularly at the start.

Sobers probably the best although he mixed up between chinaman, orthodox and medium pace and I've no idea what discipline he was best out, or maybe they were all pretty even.

Chuck Fleetwood Smith had an amazing first class record. Over 500 wickets at 22 but couldn't displace O'Reilly or Grimmett and only managed 40 wickets at 37 in tests.

 

[BarneyBent]

Lyon didn't out bowl Ashwin in the 3 tests Ashwin played.

I'd say they about broke even, factoring in that Australia are significantly worse at playing spin than India. And unless you think Ashwin would have taken 12 wickets in Adelaide, you can say Lyon outperformed him overall.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I'd say they about broke even, factoring in that Australia are significantly worse at playing spin than India. And unless you think Ashwin would have taken 12 wickets in Adelaide, you can say Lyon outperformed him overall.

Lyon also got to bowl to a weaker batting lineup. Ashwin looked more dangerous then Lyon aswell.

 

[frankrizzo]

Pretty questionable the notion that india have the weaker batting, ask any spinner in the world if they would rather have a go at our top 6 or india's.

Really against all bowling india's top 6 looks stronger than ours right now, difference is we were facing inferior quicks to what they faced all series.