NBA Draft - 2003

[mattyc2422]

I knew it.
The Spurs #28 pick, Barbosa traded to the Suns for a future first round pick.

Clippers pick Sofoklis Schortsanitis. They are gonna explode come FA time.

 

[OutKast]

Originally posted by Renegade
In my pick em draft league i thought Miami would take Lampe at number 5! I'm shocked no one took him.

It's got more to do with his buyout than anything. They said it would cost teams a ridiculous amount if they took him first round, but now he's a second rounder NY can negotiate with his european club.

 

[mattyc2422]

Detroit are having a killer draft.
Milicic is going to be huge for them and give them a physical presence to dominate the East, and Carlos Defino is a guy I wanted. Very classy Argentine who will do very well in the NBA. Mark my words.

 

[Portmanteau]

****ing senational draft thus far - many, many surprises.

Happy with Collison and Ridnour. Who is Willie Green?

The big winners thus far are: New York, Chicago, Detroit, LA Clippers ( ), LA Lakers, Golden State (huge bargaining power with Pietrus), Orlando, Memphis, Boston, Miami... OK, so a lot of big winners .

Maciej Lampe - WOW.

I'd now look for Eddie Jones to be traded for expiring contracts and/or overpaid big men.

 

[Portmanteau]

Good selections by the Nets thus far. They get a tall point guard to give Jason Kidd a breather, and Kyle Korver to add a bit of shooting power. I'd suggest Korver makes the roster because Lucious Harris is a goner.

 

[OutKast]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Kyle Korver to add a bit of shooting power. I'd suggest Korver makes the roster because Lucious Harris is a goner.

They've traded Korver to the Sixers for 'cash considerations'.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by mattyc2422

Celtics get a legit Centre in Kendrick Perkins.

He won't be ready for a good while though.

Can't believe my Grizzlies traded him though, what a waste.

 

[Portmanteau]

You'd think West may try to package Bell/Jones, or either with another player to eventually get Pietrus. If not, the Grizzlies are still pretty solid heading into next year. I do not doubt that Dahntay Jones will be an excellent player, and nothing is to say he will be lesser than Pietrus.

 

[tige19]

Whats the juice on Reec Gaines (15th Magic) i know his a tallish PG about 6ft6 i think, seemed to have a better season at Louisville in 2001-2002 avg 21 points and grabbing more than 140 boards in 32 matches , not a bad effort for a bloke who plays mostly beyond the arc, anyway i just wanna see if any of you guys have seen him play Live on TV ??? i dont know a great deal about the guy my Mob selected so any onfo would be great.

cheers

 

[Portmanteau]

Can't tell you much about Gaines, but Zaur Pachulia is a bloody good pick for the Magic, and could feasibly be the starting centre come the first game of the regular season. Keith Bogans should also make the roster.

 

[Tigerbob]

Gaines is exactly what we wanted and needed at the 15th spot, a tall point/combo guard who can defend and shoot and create. He is clutch also winning games with the last shot a couple of times in college. Out of all the players chosen around our pick, he would complement TMac the most, should be our starting PG come game 1, absolutely delighted with this pick.

ZaZa - wow, what a selection by Gabe, I thought he would go late first or at the worst early second...he is a defensive beast, just loves getting his hands dirty, good shot bloker runs the floor well for a guy 6"11 - 7"0 and has good agility - im still amazed by this pick, no joke could be our starting C come game 1 or depending on the FA signings at the very worst a capable back up, absolutely thrilled.

And finally a good draft trade by Gabe - getting Bogans for cash considerations ie. NOTHING!! He will make the roster, help dispose of the nightmare that is Jerryl Sasser, and will add depth and toughness to our roster. He can defend the bigger guards at crucial points in the game, for eg. when Chancey Billups decided to blow us apart in the playoffs, now we have him as a defensive stopper.

Im liking the situation in Orlando now, with hopefully the medical exception we recieve for Grant Hill around $6million, the mid level exception $4.5 million, the vets minimum $1.5 million and we have a trade exception too $1.5 million we could be very active on the FA market this summer.

Plus we all know with no tax and great weather all year round in Florida, FA love to come to Orlando. Do you hear me either Jermain O'neal, Lamar Odom, Corey Maggette, PJ Brown and to a lesser extent Kandi man.

With T-Mac, Gooden, Girichek, Armstrong, Gaines we have a solid core, now just a big man in the pivot and were set, go Magic!!!

 

[Portmanteau]

I think PJ Brown will shape up as a possiblity. He's been rumoured to be going to Cleveland for the MLE ($4.6mil), but Orlando is in a far better situtation. He'd probably want the medical exception though, so the MLE need not be spent, although you could get Speedy Claxton (PG log-jam anyone? ).

Drop by more often TB.

 

[Tigerbob]

Thanks Guey i will.

I think PJ Brown will end up either in Cleveland with coach Silas as he loves him, or in LA to the Lakers for a shot at the ring. I think LA is the best situation for him, a fit O'neal and Kobe to be accompanied by PJ!!! Ouch!

I really want Jermaine O'Neal (who doesnt) and the situation is not out of the question either, as Jermaine and Tmac are good mates with the same agent, we can give him almost $9million a year for one year with a promise for the max next year after Grant Hill retires, which he will, hes gone now! I will be the hapiest man in the world if this goes down, imagine this for a team: C. Jermaine O'Neal
PF. Drew Gooden
SF. Gordon Girichek
SG. Tracy McGrady
PG. Reece Gaines

That would dominate the East for sure, hey I can dream cant I???

Orlando is in a good position now, about time......


Who was your best draft pick as in team you think will come out of the draft the best and your worst pick for team needs!



Best: Carlos Delfino to detroit, with Darko already in the bank they get a top player who will start for them also, unbelevable.

Worst: Kirk Hinrick to the bulls?? I dunno about this one, I thought someone like a Pietrus or Lampe would of been fantastic for the bulls or even trading the pick for a veteran wing player would of been ideal, just dont understand it.....and Kaman will be a bust, he just looks like it, plus hes at the Clippers, what a bad organisation they are, just get worst every year!!

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by Tigerbob

I really want Jermaine O'Neal (who doesnt) and the situation is not out of the question either, as Jermaine and Tmac are good mates with the same agent, we can give him almost $9million a year for one year with a promise for the max next year after Grant Hill retires, which he will, hes gone now! I will be the hapiest man in the world if this goes down, imagine this for a team: C. Jermaine O'Neal
PF. Drew Gooden
SF. Gordon Girichek
SG. Tracy McGrady
PG. Reece Gaines

That would dominate the East for sure, hey I can dream cant I???

Worst: Kirk Hinrick to the bulls?? I dunno about this one, I thought someone like a Pietrus or Lampe would of been fantastic for the bulls or even trading the pick for a veteran wing player would of been ideal, just dont understand it.....

O'Neal to Orlando IMO is just unrealistic. No team can afford 3 maximum contracts and Grant Hill wont retire. Their is also no way any agent worth a grain of salt would take a small deal to be promised a max the next year. This is a business and O'Neal will want to max or he will simply go elsewhere.

Grant Hill is a big shame for the Magic, with him they could have won titles. With his ankle, not only have they struggled to make the playoffs and then ousted first round but he has also screwed up their salary cap. He is worth so much and does nothing, not his fault but that's how it is. I doubt the Magic will draw any big FA's but a guy like PJ would help Orlando no end.

Gaines is also an interesting pick. Everyone knows that the Magic needed a PG or a legit pivot man. They went for the PG, but is a 6'6 point/forward, really just a smaller T-Mac what they really needed. I thought they would have looked at Bell or Barbosa because they need serious help at the PG spot with Vaughn and Armstrong their only options. Orlando will certainly be active in the FA market and with trades and I wouldnt be surprised if Giricek finds a new home before next season as he is their only real trade bait.

 

[jod23]

My take on the draft...

1. Lebron James to Cleveland - obvious.

2. Darko to Detroit - obvious but IMO they will regret not taking Anthony.

3. Anthony to Denver - obvious.

This is where is get's interesting.

4. Bosh to Toronto - after many rumors which went from Ford to Lampe to Kaman and back to Bosh they finally decided on some inside help. A solid pick for Toronto and after taking Van de Hare at pick 52, it strengthens rumors that Antonio Davis could be traded. Bosh though isnt like the first three and wont turn around Toronto over night.

5. Wade to Miami - definitely the surprise of the draft and it smells of a deal. Dwayne Wade wasnt what Miami needed. They needed a legit bigman or a PG. They went with neither. When Bosh was taken at 4, I was certain Miami would take Ford but alas they take a swingman/SG?? Jones will now almost have to be dealt for either a PG or Center. Reflecting...not a bad idea. Jones has more trade value than Wade so you bring in Wade then trade Jones for a young bigman or PG giving you Wade, Butler and another youngster. Makes sense. How long will Riley stick around though?

6. Chris Kaman to LA Clippers - is it even possible for the Clips to get worse? Apparently so.

7. Hinrich to Chicago - I love this move. Williams is obviously gone for the upcoming season and perhaps longer and possibly forever (we are all praying for that not to happen) But with William's unfortunate accident it has gifted the PG spot to Crawford (we hope, we dont want another PG war all year) . Hinrich can come in at the 2 spot and be the shooter to open the floor for CC's. He also likes to push the ball and can defend on the perimeter. A good move by Chicago. Thought they may take Ford and then deal him but Hinrich will stay in Chicago.

Hinrich though has to be told where he is at. Before the season, tell both Crawford and Hinrich that the 1 spot is Crawf's and Hinrich will either back him up no questions asked or start at the two, dont have them squabbling over daylight like Williams and Crawford did last year.

8. T.J. Ford to Milwaukee - this sold a deal. Nobody knew at the time but we figured either Ford wouldnt last long in Milwaukee or Cassell or Payton were moving. As it turns out it was Cassell, the last of the Big 3 to be moved. TJ was probably the best option, sometimes you just have to take the best available player and Ford gives the Bucks a future after Payton retires. They still need some bigman help though. Ford IMO will be a star.

9. Sweetney to New York - this was hilarious. I bet they got real excited as they saw Ford slip, and slip and then to be taken right in front of them Because we all know NY needed a PG or a legit center. But what they got was another undersized PF. Trades a plenty you would think in the offseason for NY.

10. Jarvis Hayes to Washington - A great pickup IMO for the Wizards. Washington's biggest problem last year was they had no shooters, fortunately for them, Hayes' strength is his jumpshot which extends all the way out to 3pt range. He is a catch and shooter rather than slash and score type player and he can play the SF spot. Haywood is a solid C, and IMO it will be Kwame's breakout year. Stack has re-signed for another 2 years and with Hayes hopefully spreading the floor and with Jeffries and Dixon coming back from injury, they are short a pure PG of being a decent team in the East. The problem though is that Hayes, Stack, Hughes and Dixon, effectively play the same position and trials of turning either Dixon or Hughes into a PG have failed. Perhaps one or two of Hayes, Dixon and Hughes need to be dealt for a pure PG.

11. Peitrus to Golden State - reeks of a trade. They have Arenas who is now being tipped to stay or sign with Denver? Then they have got J-Rich and Jamison filling the other G/F spots. Where does Pietrus fit in. Surely a trade is in the works.

12. Collison to Seattle - a solid pickup for Seattle and it helps them down low. He is creative in the post and is a pretty good rebounder. Drobnjak, Radmanovic, James, Potapenko...Collison certainly is an upgrade. Seattle also improved at the guard two picks later with Ridnour. Seattle were a real winner.

13. Banks to Memphis - everyone thought trade and then they did but they traded for Bell? Jones brings something but Bell will be stuck behind J-Will. I dont think West is done by a long way, he will make some moves. All good for Boston though, they finally get a PG.

Well just the lottery for now...Im getting tired. Pretty exciting couple of days in the NBA.

 

[mattyc2422]

Originally posted by jod23
9. Sweetney to New York - this was hilarious. I bet they got real excited as they saw Ford slip, and slip and then to be taken right in front of them Because we all know NY needed a PG or a legit center. But what they got was another undersized PF. Trades a plenty you would think in the offseason for NY.

Yup.
Thomas, Dice, Weatherspoon, Harrington and now Sweetney.
The Knicks did get Lampe and Vranes later on in the draft, but it's hard to tell how much of an immediate impact they could make.

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by jod23
O'Neal to Orlando IMO is just unrealistic. No team can afford 3 maximum contracts and Grant Hill wont retire. Their is also no way any agent worth a grain of salt would take a small deal to be promised a max the next year. This is a business and O'Neal will want to max or he will simply go elsewhere.

Grant Hill is a big shame for the Magic, with him they could have won titles. With his ankle, not only have they struggled to make the playoffs and then ousted first round but he has also screwed up their salary cap. He is worth so much and does nothing, not his fault but that's how it is. I doubt the Magic will draw any big FA's but a guy like PJ would help Orlando no end.

Gaines is also an interesting pick. Everyone knows that the Magic needed a PG or a legit pivot man. They went for the PG, but is a 6'6 point/forward, really just a smaller T-Mac what they really needed. I thought they would have looked at Bell or Barbosa because they need serious help at the PG spot with Vaughn and Armstrong their only options. Orlando will certainly be active in the FA market and with trades and I wouldnt be surprised if Giricek finds a new home before next season as he is their only real trade bait.

Coming from the guy who put his house on Washington making the playoffs, would anyone seriously consider what you have to say???
Why wouldnt O'neal come to Orlando?? great place to live, has a great life long friend who has the same agent in T-mac and with the maximum medical exception allowed for Orlando to be 6M there would be room to fit him in, that is of course provided we let go one of our promising younger guys to make the room and i think that Girciek will be the 1.

Well jod weres the light at the end of the tunnel for the Wizards?? Nothing realy exciting to come out of the draft either with Jarvis Hayes only realy being a catch and shoot type , nothing but a role player, god wouldnt you be crying seeing TJ Ford go at 8 to the Bucks grabbing him at 10, would have gone a long way to bridging the gap between pathetic and respectable , it will be another 30 win game season for the WIZS if their lucky

cheers

 

[mattyc2422]

Originally posted by tige19
Why wouldnt O'neal come to Orlando?? great place to live,

Ahh. I remember that excuse when the Magic tried to get Timmy Duncan. I have a feeling a NBA Championship banner is a better thing to look at than Mickey Mouse and his crew.

O'Neal is an enigma that intrigues me. Sometimes I think he has a real killer instinct, other times I think he wants to be the man too much and wants a paycheck. It's ultimately hard to tell, but he wasn't happy with things in Indy this year.

All in all, T-Mac and O'Neal could form a great duo if it comes together...but then again, I can see a Parker/Manu/Duncan/O'Neal kinda thing working too.

 

[Portmanteau]

Tige: Orlando does not have the cap room... end of story. O'Neal is not going to take 6 million from Orlando when he can get a long-term deal at Indiana with a base-salary of 13 million. IMO, if everything went right for them, Indiana would be the only team who could challenge the West big guns, with their excellent depth. This could have happened as soon as this year if Ron Artest's head was straight. O'Neal is the the man in Indiana, which he would not be in Orlando or San Antonio. All logic points to him staying put. I'd be willing to put money on it.

And while you mention it, Jod wasn't the only person thinking Washington could at least make the finals in the Leastern conference... pretty much everyone was. Hindsight is magnificent.

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Tige: Orlando does not have the cap room... end of story. O'Neal is not going to take 6 million from Orlando when he can get a long-term deal at Indiana with a base-salary of 13 million. IMO, if everything went right for them, Indiana would be the only team who could challenge the West big guns, with their excellent depth. This could have happened as soon as this year if Ron Artest's head was straight. O'Neal is the the man in Indiana, which he would not be in Orlando or San Antonio. All logic points to him staying put. I'd be willing to put money on it.

And while you mention it, Jod wasn't the only person thinking Washington could at least make the finals in the Leastern conference... pretty much everyone was. Hindsight is magnificent.

When you know more than Jon Gabriel then i will belive you.
He has said on many times that Orlando are gonna be inline to grab a Well noted big man, weather or not that is O'neal or not is another thing but im preety sure he is willing to offload one of the smaller guys (Girciek) to make the room for O'neal to come in, time can only tell but i wouldnt be writing it off.
You cannot honestly make a assement on weather or not Orlando will have the salary room for Jeramaine as the wheeling and dealing has not began yet, until such things are set in concrete and names are getting thrown around by those in the know nothing is for certain.
I personally am not sure if O'neal will come to Orlando but i know that we have a better chance than most of signing him, he will either be at Indiana,Orlando or the Spurs next season thats for sure.
cheers

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23
7. Hinrich to Chicago - I love this move.

10. Jarvis Hayes to Washington - A great pickup IMO for the Wizards.

How did i know you'd think these two were wonderful pickups?

Deadset, Jordan and co. could draft Eddie McGuire and you'd say it was the best move ever.

Hayes might be good though, don't like Chicago's pick.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by tige19
When you know more than Jon Gabriel then i will belive you.
He has said on many times that Orlando are gonna be inline to grab a Well noted big man, weather or not that is O'neal or not is another thing but im preety sure he is willing to offload one of the smaller guys (Girciek) to make the room for O'neal to come in, time can only tell but i wouldnt be writing it off.
You cannot honestly make a assement on weather or not Orlando will have the salary room for Jeramaine as the wheeling and dealing has not began yet, until such things are set in concrete and names are getting thrown around by those in the know nothing is for certain.
I personally am not sure if O'neal will come to Orlando but i know that we have a better chance than most of signing him, he will either be at Indiana,Orlando or the Spurs next season thats for sure.
cheers

Please give me a scenario where Gordan Giricek will be traded to free up cap room to sign Jermaine O'Neal (you're going to need 13 mil, btw). Giricek is on a second-rounder contract of $1,400,000. Thus he can only be traded for a player of similar salary. Once again, how does this free up the necessary cap-room for Jermaine O'Neal?

Forget the medical exception for getting JO. If you get this supposed "top-shelf big man" with that exception it will be Brad Miller or Michael Olowokandi. Big difference between them and O'Neal.

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Please give me a scenario where Gordan Giricek will be traded to free up cap room to sign Jermaine O'Neal (you're going to need 13 mil, btw). Giricek is on a second-rounder contract of $1,400,000. Thus he can only be traded for a player of similar salary. Once again, how does this free up the necessary cap-room for Jermaine O'Neal?

Forget the medical exception for getting JO. If you get this supposed "top-shelf big man" with that exception it will be Brad Miller or Michael Olowokandi. Big difference between them and O'Neal.

Darryl Armstrong still hasnt decided if he will continue at the Magic and i dont think Jon wants to sign him anyway he is a 6-7 mill a season player with him gone and the 6m from the medical exception there is room for Jermaine to come in, this is all hypothetical though and we will just have to wait and see but Signing O'neal isnt as far fetched as what you make out to be in fact it is quite possible and logical.
Also how much of a difference will it be signing OLO and Jermaine??? OLO will stay command around 8-10 mill anyway another 3-5 for a top line big man is well worth it.

cheers

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Im very happy Hinrich's at the Bulls, just cos Kansas were on ESPN a lot and I decided he was my favourite player. He is a fine fellow

 

[Portmanteau]

Olowokandi will command 6 million tops. He totally screwed himself over with his pathetic, selfish, cry-baby play this season.