NBN

[Schulzenfest]

Redden.torrent is still around 80% ready. Should be 100% after Christmas.

****ing Abbott

 

[Doctor Feel]

The NBN will be completed. Internode CEO Simon Hackett (Who is on the NBN board) has said that it will be completed, except in a more sensible and cost efficient way. He suggested QoS will be the feature that suffers. They also have suggested running the cables on power poles instead of under ground to save cash and eliminate the old Telstra infrastructure. On that topic, the asbestos has been cleared from the telstra pits and work resumed this week. Ziggy Switkowski has suggested the NBN will continue and we will get the same speeds (and same technology) and service that labour were aiming for, just delivered differently and in a method that will speed up the roll out process. So don't stress.

Off topic, I know.

 

[dinger]

The NBN will be completed. Internode CEO Simon Hackett (Who is on the NBN board) has said that it will be completed, except in a more sensible and cost efficient way. He suggested QoS will be the feature that suffers. They also have suggested running the cables on power poles instead of under ground to save cash and eliminate the old Telstra infrastructure. On that topic, the asbestos has been cleared from the telstra pits and work resumed this week. Ziggy Switkowski has suggested the NBN will continue and we will get the same speeds (and same technology) and service that labour were aiming for, just delivered differently and in a method that will speed up the roll out process. So don't stress.

Off topic, I know.

And this is why I'm so happy Hackett got put on board. Liberals can pull the 'Labor waste, we've made it more efficient' card, we get an end result that will be incredibly beneficial for everyone but at a somewhat subsidized cost.
Cancelling all the contracts that have been signed for the NBN would be costly and the Liberals know it. This is really good news for everyone.

 

[TheArtfulTodger]

Ziggy Switkowski has suggested the NBN will continue and we will get the same speeds (and same technology) and service that labour were aiming for, just delivered differently and in a method that will speed up the roll out process. So don't stress.

What does that mean? That I will still get fibre to my door?

 

[bomberclifford]

Hackett was a brilliant choice for the NBN board. There's no way that he'd be party to building infrastructure that was deficient or had no future extendability.

 

[Doctor Feel]

What does that mean? That I will still get fibre to my door?

Yes.

 

[Powerstufff]

What does that mean? That I will still get fibre to my door?

Technically yes. But under the Coalition it will be a coconut fibre door-mat. There is an optional 'Welcome' message woven in but that is at your cost.

 

[Janus]

The Libs were always gonna continue the NBN. It was the one thing that kept a Labor close in the polls. Same with the school reforms.

The only reason Abbott went for a cheaper alternative going into the election was to give the appearance of being economically sound compared to the "waste" of Labor. As soon as he got in, all the feel good stuff that actually increases productivity was kept.

Politics 101 - especially since now he can claim that he provided the same service under budget...failing to mention that the Labor budget he was working from was a worse case scenario.

 

[StrappingTape]

VDSL

 

[Forzaport]

THE government has dumped two election promises on its National Broadband Network policy revealing that funding for the mammoth infrastructure project has increased by $11.5 billion and dropping its pledge to deliver download speeds of 25mbps to the majority of Australian by 2016.

Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/tec...|+Business+|+Homepage)&utm_content=FeedBurner

The strategic review paints a damning picture of the NBN rollout under Labor. Interesting read but hardly surprising.

 

[bomberclifford]

The strategic review paints a damning picture of the NBN rollout under Labor.

Something that will, unfortunately, be missed by the majority of people commenting on the issue.

 

[StrappingTape]

There was a reason they were with holding the NBN report during the election.

 

[Dobie G]

The games the Pollies play, talking bs ....

Source

Turnbull continued to defy calls for the release of the blue book - and said that the NBN Co advice was not part of the blue book.
Just to recap: the advice was prepared by NBN Co for inclusion in the blue book, cleared by its board and, it would be assumed, delivered to the department for inclusion in the blue book. If it did not eventually make it into the blue book, that could only be because either the new minister, or someone in the department, had instructed that it not be included in the incoming government brief.
In other words, the expert and objective opinion of NBN Co - whose over 3,000 staff include some of Australia's most talented telecommunications engineers - was deemed to be so politically tainted that it did not merit presentation to the incoming minister. Turnbull, whether by design or by what we might infer, preferred to make his own truth about the NBN.
As you read through the NBN Strategic Review, it's important to also consider the advice that was given to Turnbull by NBN Co's experts as they sought to paint a realistic portrait of the challenges facing the Coalition in its construction of a mostly FttN NBN.
The NBN Co knew months ago that the Coalition was "unlikely" to make its 2016 deadline for delivering 25Mbps broadband to all Australian premises, and would struggle to meet its 2019 secondary deadline of boosting this to 50Mbps on 90 percent of fixed-line services.

More

 

[StrappingTape]

Seriously the ABC needs a bullet. If you want to believe what that guy has written you deserve to have the terrible government that put the NBN up s**t creek in the first place.

 

[Dobie G]

Don't shoot the messenger when any government stuffs up.

Source (don't be surprised if this is taken down)

Malcolm Turnbull MP 25th July 2013
Better broadband - sooner, cheaper and more affordably


Our goal is for every household and business to have access to broadband with a download data rate of between 25 and 100 megabits per second by late 2016. To read the Coalition's NBN policy click here. To read the background documents to the policy click here.
Suburbs, regions, towns and business districts with the poorest services and greatest need for upgrades will receive first priority.
Key prices for a Coalition NBN will be capped nationally, ensuring Australians in metropolitan and regional areas alike can obtain services at fair prices.
By contrast, under Labor's NBN wholesale charges per user will triple by 2021.
To put further downward pressure on prices, the Coalition will unshackle the competitive telecom market that Labor tried to stamp out, and reduce the cost of the NBN to prudent levels.
We will resolve the greatest failure of current broadband policies: the up to two million households and businesses across Australia that cannot get basic fixed broadband after more than five years of Labor government.
Broadband infrastructure is necessary for our digital future, but on its own it is not sufficient. Businesses, governments, and communities must be creative and energetic in finding areas where the NBN opens the way for new, better, less costly or more convenient services and amenities. This will ensure the nation makes the most of the economic opportunities provided by very fast broadband.

Source

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This is why we should have done what Canada did in the late 1970's and early 1980's and let non telcos cable up the country for TV and you wouldn't have this s**t. We would have had decent speeds at a low price and had hybrid copper and fibre network.

wrote the following in 2007 in a TV thread on the main board.


If you wanted to set up a cable TV network you just had to pass a few basic tests and you were given a licence. I lived in Toronto and they had 4 cable companies who split the city into 4 sections and wired up their area, not this rubbish like in the late 1990's where Optus rolled out cable on one side of the street and Telstra/Foxtel on the other side. If you were a businessman in say a town of 25,000 and you thought you could make money, all you had to do was pass the relevant tests and you could go ahead and wire up your town. In Australia the government was in bed with it's media mates and it stopped this and protected it's mates. The government has always protected it's media mates. That's why we got colour TV in 1975 not 1968. That's why we got pay TV in 1994 not 1984. That's why we have crap broadband now and more importantly when the internet started. That's why our digitial TV uptake and options are crap compared to western Europe, North America and some Asia nations. That's why digitial radio and satellite radio in this country is almost non existent. The government has always protected its media mates.

Internet options, anti-siphoning rules re sport, the fact that FTA TV pay premium rates for overseas quality content will all mean pay TV penetration being limited to less than 50% for a long time in this country.

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Don't get sucked into this big country arguement. It would have worked if done right from the start. Canada is 1.5 x the land mass of Oz with 1.5 x the population. We have most of our population along the eastern seaboard, they have most of their's along the US border. We have great expanses of farm land and desert, they have great expanses of farm land, ice and snow and lakes.

The difference is that in the late 1970's and 1980's they took a public policy stance that where ever you lived in the country you had a right to watch what ever you were prepared to pay. Being next to the US helped, but if you set up a cable tv network you still had to get a satellite feed from the US channels and European channels. By 1980 there was the Australian government satellite which Optus later purchased, as well as the Pansat and Intalsat satellite systems with individual satellites over Oz which any pay tv network could have, if allowed, purchased content off.

In Canada if a businessman in the town the size of Mildura and a smilar rural setting, thought he could make a profit from cabling up his town then provided he passed a few tests then he could go ahead and do it. It was up to him to make money, not like here where the government stopped him from the start by saying he wouldn't be allowed because he couldn't make a profit and wanting to protect the existing licence holders. In Canada in the 1990's there was a lot of rationalisation of the cable operators. Some went into liquidation but many small guys sold out to the bigger players.

So in Australia rather than have an organic growth at a steady pace, we have the big bang in 1994, everybody had seen the profits made by some overseas providers, they pay too much for the licences, the content, the presenters etc and the industry is a mess. They also see the potential benefit of the info that set top boxes can provide and in 1995 the internet takes of in the USA, so they pay extra for this future potential revenue earner. The government tries to protect the consumer with anti-siphoning rules but it really just protects it's free to air media mates.

Now you have basically a monopolistic situation with Austar and Optus signing program sharing agreement with the major player Foxtel and no real competition. Another public policy stuff up.

Historically Australians have had a very high take up rate of electrical and electronic home appliances/machines. If you look at just about every gadget, Australia is usually ranked in the top 5 nations and sometimes top 10 within the first 5 years of the product being launched in this country.

The 2 glaring examples where this didn't occur? Pay TV and digital TV. Why? Government interference by protecting it's media mates and not allowing for natural competition forces to apply.

 

[Power Raid]

Well said REH

 

[NSWCROW]

I'm *en livid about this.

libs - yeah we're gonna do what Rudd proposed even though we used it as a wedge and won an election off it but here's the catch =

YOU WANT IT ??
PAY MORE !


*en neoliberal capitalists are filth

 

[Forzaport]

I'm fu**en livid about this.

libs - yeah we're gonna do what Rudd proposed even though we used it as a wedge and won an election off it but here's the catch =

YOU WANT IT ??
PAY MORE !


fu**en neoliberal capitalists are filth

It's just not a major infrastructure project unless both sides of politics manage to * it up

It sounds like a rerun of an old horror movie, but Telstra could be a big part of the NBN's future

Trying to find exactly who's to blame for the NBN's issues won't fix the fact that the project isn't worth what we've paid. Now the Government just needs to take the financial hit, writes Ian Verrender.

www.abc.net.au

The high cost of NBN makes it so uncompetitive. I have 200GB on my mobile plan that negates almost any need for NBN. With 5G around the corner there needs to be a fix so NBN can be sold off while it's still worth something.

 

[sobrave]

the original labor NBN was basically future proof, providing fibre to the premises for the vast majority.

then the libs took over and turned into a s**t sandwich. my "fixed wireless" NBN was slower than 4G and ADSL2+ so i cancelled it

that isn't both sides ******* it up, that's the libs being shitmongers as usual.