List Mgmt. Nick Daicos

[jathanas]

With all due respect to your Dad and his mates, it seems a bit pointless to me to retrospectively observe that Daicos didn’t have much of a defensive game and had off days. I don’t recall people worrying about that during his career — they were too busy being thrilled to bits about his ability to win games of footy off his own boot, and not too fussed about the other details.
You might as well say that Bucks didn’t kick enough goals — I’d view it the same way. Surely they were just doing different jobs, according to the competitive requirements of their eras.

Agreed and very well put.

One was brilliant the other outstanding. I feel lucky that I saw both at their best.

It's overly simplistic to label one as better than the other and an exercise in futility comparing the 2. They were so different; as players and as people.

 

[jonbe54]

Agreed and very well put.

One was brilliant the other outstanding. I feel lucky that I saw both at their best.

It's overly simplistic to label one as better than the other and an exercise in futility comparing the 2. They were so different; as players and as people.

Both soared above nearly all of their contemporaries not because of inborn talent - which they had plenty of - but through dedication and a total commitment to improving upon excellence.

 

[legendstatus]

Daicos thread get back on track please


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[DWil6]

Any news on Nick?

 

[Doc1763]

Any news on Nick?

Nick who?

 

[Robroy22]

Only news I heard today was that North SHOULD and will bid on both Daicos and Darcy before taking Horne-Francis.
Adam Ramanaskus was stipulating this on the ABC today.

 

[DWil6]

Only news I heard today was that North SHOULD and will bid on both Daicos and Darcy before taking Horne-Francis.
Adam Ramanaskus was stipulating this on the ABC today.

Be legitimately surprised if they didn’t. Also be upset if it was us in their shoes and we didn’t. No down side for them. Just weakens the position of 2 clubs.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I find it interesting that people say that clubs don't like to create bad trade relationships with other clubs, but on the other hand think it's perfectly okay to **** over clubs in the draft.

 

[ClaytonM]

Only news I heard today was that North SHOULD and will bid on both Daicos and Darcy before taking Horne-Francis.
Adam Ramanaskus was stipulating this on the ABC today.

If true then which way do you go.

Best player out of two.

Darcy as it hits strongest club now.

Nick as we may stronger when North hope to rise.

What would you do?

 

[Rorzza]

Daics will go number 1, i'll be in shock if not the case. Simply too good, we are getting a ripping young talent!

 

[Robroy22]

If true then which way do you go.

Best player out of two.

Darcy as it hits strongest club now.

Nick as we may stronger when North hope to rise.

What would you do?

They'll do em both Daicos at 1 and Darcy at 2.....costs Horne 10 grand but they get the satisfaction of whacking two clubs and getting the player they want anyway.

 

[MyManLynch]

Daics will go number 1, i'll be in shock if not the case. Simply too good, we are getting a ripping young talent!

Yes agree.
I have no issue with number 1 bid.
Not worried about a few points here or there (we will find them somehow).
This is the reality.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

My old man (since passed) and a bunch of his mates basically watched every Pies game going back to the 60's, and saw every match of Daics career. They mostly all still romanticise the old players over the new, but even they pretty much all consistently agreed Buckley was clear and away superior to Daicos, the midfielder or forward version. Daicos was a great player, but he was never considered at a level amongst his peers the way Buckley was, even before his injuries, and even during the period he actually he made the biggest name for himself as a forward.

The idea that Daicos was levels above both Buckley and Pendles is a bit of revisionist romantic history IMO. I never saw early Daicos, but I certainly watched most of his later career as a young kid. Even I romanticise what I remember (vividly remember watching his 13 goals v the Bears), but Buckley's dominating influence consistently on a game to game basis was never matched by Daicos even pre injury. We are talking like Daicos was flawless, but he wasn't. It's not like he had much of a defensive game to speak of, and from what my dad's mates have said, a lot of his fancy stuff simply didn't come off as consistently the way you see it in a highlights package and he had his share of poor games, and the lack of defensive game or real toughness in those games wasn't as appreciated in an era where being tough and robust (lets say compared to one of his contemporaries in Leigh Matthews) was highly valued.

I watched both Daics and Bucks careers, they were very different players so it’s impossible to say who was better, but there wouldn’t be much in it either way.

 

[Doc1763]

My old man (since passed) and a bunch of his mates basically watched every Pies game going back to the 60's, and saw every match of Daics career. They mostly all still romanticise the old players over the new, but even they pretty much all consistently agreed Buckley was clear and away superior to Daicos, the midfielder or forward version. Daicos was a great player, but he was never considered at a level amongst his peers the way Buckley was, even before his injuries, and even during the period he actually he made the biggest name for himself as a forward.

The idea that Daicos was levels above both Buckley and Pendles is a bit of revisionist romantic history IMO. I never saw early Daicos, but I certainly watched most of his later career as a young kid. Even I romanticise what I remember (vividly remember watching his 13 goals v the Bears), but Buckley's dominating influence consistently on a game to game basis was never matched by Daicos even pre injury. We are talking like Daicos was flawless, but he wasn't. It's not like he had much of a defensive game to speak of, and from what my dad's mates have said, a lot of his fancy stuff simply didn't come off as consistently the way you see it in a highlights package and he had his share of poor games, and the lack of defensive game or real toughness in those games wasn't as appreciated in an era where being tough and robust (lets say compared to one of his contemporaries in Leigh Matthews) was highly valued.

I've been lucky enough to see all three careers in their entirety. As far as "best" concerned, I would rank them;

Buckley
Pendlebury
Daicos

But no player I have ever seen, going all the way back to McKenna, has given me anywhere near as much joy as Daicos.

 

[sr36]

Only news I heard today was that North SHOULD and will bid on both Daicos and Darcy before taking Horne-Francis.
Adam Ramanaskus was stipulating this on the ABC today.

It might not matter. If we decide to get enough points to match pick 1 before the draft, we will have already paid the cost in trade and it'll just mean that our next pick is at 70 rather than 60. Most of the time that'd end up being the same player we draft or someone we rate extremely similarly..

But if we gamble and don't get enough points beforehand, it will matter.

 

[The Phantom]

I've been lucky enough to see all three careers in their entirety. As far as "best" concerned, I would rank them;

Buckley
Pendlebury
Daicos

But no player I have ever seen, going all the way back to McKenna, has given me anywhere near as much joy as Daicos.

Swan and Milane deserve to be in this conversation.

although I do agree with you that watching Daicos delivered so much joy.
so too did Swan & Milane.

 

[jonbe54]

I've been lucky enough to see all three careers in their entirety. As far as "best" concerned, I would rank them;

Buckley
Pendlebury
Daicos

But no player I have ever seen, going all the way back to McKenna, has given me anywhere near as much joy as Daicos.

Neither Pendles or Bucks - much as I love and respect them - changed the game.

Daics Snr did.

 

[TradeDraft]

Be legitimately surprised if they didn’t. Also be upset if it was us in their shoes and we didn’t. No down side for them. Just weakens the position of 2 clubs.

and still get there best Live Prospect in the Draft

 

[AmericanMustard]

If I was Norf I’d be bidding on Daicos/Darcy first because **** giving other clubs a hand. Should be competitive in every aspect of running a club. Darcy being first due to the dogs strength can’t give the second best side in the country a break.

But sounds like Horne-Francis has finished real strong from some people I know who watch the kids closely so who knows.

 

[jonbe54]

If I was Norf I’d be bidding on Daicos/Darcy first because fu** giving other clubs a hand. Should be competitive in every aspect of running a club. Darcy being first due to the dogs strength can’t give the second best side in the country a break.

But sounds like Horne-Francis has finished real strong from some people I know who watch the kids closely so who knows.

Yes when an opposition club stands up to the AFL who are trying to destroy your club you should sht in their face at every opportunity.

 

[rand corp]

Daicos was a beautiful mover, silky midfielder but injuries ruined his chance at lasting greatness there. People forget he was almost finished, written off by many after recurring long term injuries. It is an absolute credit to the man that he came back and turned himself into a champion forward.

 

[sr36]

Daicos was a beautiful mover, silky midfielder but injuries ruined his chance at lasting greatness there. People forget he was almost finished, written off by many after recurring long term injuries. It is an absolute credit to the man that he came back and turned himself into a champion forward.

Just an incredible footballer. Talent wise, he was better than the blokes mentioned as he could do things consistently that no others in the league could even do occasionally.

But I really have to rate some other guys higher. Swan, Pendles and Bucks have all been genuinely discussed as being potentially the best player in the game at times within their careers - Daicos wasn't. The most incredible, the most skillful, mercurial, magical, but it was never discussed whether he was the best - he wasn't in that conversation.

 

[Sea fog]

Just an incredible footballer. Talent wise, he was better than the blokes mentioned as he could do things consistently that no others in the league could even do occasionally.

But I really have to rate some other guys higher. Swan, Pendles and Bucks have all been genuinely discussed as being potentially the best player in the game at times within their careers - Daicos wasn't. The most incredible, the most skillful, mercurial, magical, but it was never discussed whether he was the best - he wasn't in that conversation.

Although you can argue that Daics won matches, Pendles does not take games by the scruff of the neck. Bucks a blend of both.

 

[sr36]

Although you can argue that Daics won matches, Pendles does not take games by the scruff of the neck. Bucks a blend of both.

I don't really agree with that. Daicos kicked a lot of goals, but he would have kicked a lot more if he had Bucks or Pendles delivering it forward, rather than Tony Shaw, and his teammates would have too.

 

[DIDAIC0S]

Just an incredible footballer. Talent wise, he was better than the blokes mentioned as he could do things consistently that no others in the league could even do occasionally.

But I really have to rate some other guys higher. Swan, Pendles and Bucks have all been genuinely discussed as being potentially the best player in the game at times within their careers - Daicos wasn't. The most incredible, the most skillful, mercurial, magical, but it was never discussed whether he was the best - he wasn't in that conversation.

I love Pendles, ultimate professional, he makes time look like it’s slowing down.
But Pendles can’t mark overhead and isn’t a great set shot.
Only two knocks on his game. If he could do that we could sit him on the half forward line for the next 4 years!!!!!!


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