List Mgmt. Nick Daicos

[Scodog10]

Gotta laugh at the hatred of Nick from of one draft expert.

Supposedly “he’d much rather 25 touches and 1 goal through the middle and across half forward, than 40 touches behind the ball” from Nick.

Can’t have been too far behind the ball given the fact he been averaged well over 2 goals a game and about 35 touches in NAB league. And also kicked 2 goals to go with his 41 disposals in the challenge game…

Is that Chris the Freo supporter? If so unless he’s since changed his narrative you’ve taken the comments out of context.

The comments I’ve read from him along those lines were in relation to how he gets the ball v a guy like Ward. A Daicos 40 possession game at NAB level was very much like a Mitchell 40 possession game where he just run up the numbers with one twos and was fed the ball. Whereas a Ward 25 possession game was a true 25 possessions because he goes from one contest to the next winning the ball.

On limited viewing I agree with Chris. That doesn’t diminish Daicos as a talent, but it provides an insight into where his best value lies and how a kid can be so dominant at that level.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Is that Chris the Freo supporter? If so unless he’s since changed his narrative you’ve taken the comments out of context.

The comments I’ve read from him along those lines were in relation to how he gets the ball v a guy like Ward. A Daicos 40 possession game at NAB level was very much like a Mitchell 40 possession game where he just run up the numbers with one twos and was fed the ball. Whereas a Ward 25 possession game was a true 25 possessions because he goes from one contest to the next winning the ball.

On limited viewing I agree with Chris. That doesn’t diminish Daicos as a talent, but it provides an insight into where his best value lies and how a kid can be so dominant at that level.

Yeah I disagree. Particularly as it relates to a comparison with Ward.

I also have also found the analysis of Nick massively hypocritical. Especially when you revisit some of his previous phantom drafts across the years.

Effusive praise of other similar, but even less dominant, junior players through the years (Aish and Whitfield notably)… That’s before you even touch on the SA bias, which at one stage was a self declared caveat, and now not even mentioned.

 

[legendstatus]

I have visions of this guy in 2-3 years time when he more a man than a boy and in the AFL system longer.


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[Scodog10]

Yeah I disagree. Particularly as it relates to a comparison with Ward.

I also have also found the analysis of Nick massively hypocritical, particularly when you revisit some of his previous phantom drafts across the years.

Effusive praise of guys like other similar (but even less dominant) players through the years (Aish and Whitfield notably)… That’s before you even touch on the SA bias, which at one stage was a self declared caveat, and now not even mentioned.

Perhaps you could offer a counterpoint instead of just disagreeing? How so in relation to Ward? In both games they were on the field this year it was clearly Ward>Daicos.

I know that Knightmare is someone that evaluates traits they favour in juniors year to year and he’s especially applied it to KPF’s so it doesn’t surprise me that what was once highly valued no longer is. It’s about continuous self reflection and I would suggest that Whitfield especially would be more valuable with 25 front half possessions than 40 cheapies. I made the point in a discussion around that topic that Daicos strongly reminded me of Toumpas as a jnr because his teammates go out of their way to feed him the ball.

I don’t think it impacts on his status as the best player in the pool and nor do I think those comments are “hatred”. I’d probably label them counter culture.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Perhaps you could offer a counterpoint instead of just disagreeing? How so in relation to Ward? In both games they were on the field this year it was clearly Ward>Daicos.

I know that Knightmare is someone that evaluates traits they favour in juniors year to year and he’s especially applied it to KPF’s so it doesn’t surprise me that what was once highly valued no longer is. It’s about continuous self reflection and I would suggest that Whitfield especially would be more valuable with 25 front half possessions than 40 cheapies. I made the point in a discussion around that topic that Daicos strongly reminded me of Toumpas as a jnr because his teammates go out of their way to feed him the ball.

I don’t think it impacts on his status as the best player in the pool and nor do I think those comments are “hatred”. I’d probably label them counter culture.

How about I just give you his write ups of Whitfield and Aish which you could just apply substantially to Nick, with the exception of Whitfields endurance

I probably shouldn’t have said ‘hatred’ specifically. But any chance to knock Nick he takes which points to an underlying bias.

3. St Kilda - James Aish (183cm, 74kg midfielder - Norwood)

The top pure midfielder in the draft, Aish has been a star of the underage SANFL scene for a number of years now - he has also played in two senior grand finals, not looking out of place in either. Right from his league debut as a 16 year old, he has pretty much been spoken about as a potential #1 selection. And there is a good reason for such high acclaim. He already looks like a seasoned AFL player when he has the ball in hand. He has more time than anyone else on the field, seemingly always makes the right decision and uses the ball as well as anyone. It's his general football smarts and ability to work his way into space which makes him a better contested ball winner than his slight frame may lead you to believe. Gary Ablett is hardly a bull in at the centre bounces, but he can find the gaps better than anyone. So while Aish may largely be an outside player at first (which would be his only negative in my view) I think he'll become a complete midfielder in no time and will be someone to build a team around.

1. GWS - Lachie Whitfield (184cm midfielder - Dandenong)

Whitfield has been considered the obvious #1 pick all season now, and it's pretty easy to see why - so much of what he does could already be classified elite amongst AFL players. His foot skills, off either leg, are exceptional and he always seems to make the right decision with ball in hand too. He also has a really unique combination of speed and endurance, so he will run all day long. Lachie has played all over the ground this season, spending a lot of time up forward and across half back. But he is a midfielder. All year, I've said he will likely cop unfair criticism for his inside game and some people have already started. But his inside game really isn't that bad. Yes, he isn't going to crash into packs and knock the ball out like some players. But there is more than one way to get a clearance, and he uses his smarts and positioning to get his. I think he is like Ablett in that regard. So I would have very few (if any) concerns about taking him at #1, the only reason he wouldn't go here would be if GWS really wanted a ruckman instead and weren't able to get another early pick in a trade. AFL Comparison: Gary Ablett

 

[Chris25]

If you’re going to talk about me at least direct people to my thread! Get me some more views.

 

[Scodog10]

How about I just give you his write ups of Whitfield and Aish which you could just apply substantially to Nick, with the exception of Whitfields endurance

I didn’t say ‘hatred’ specifically. But any chance to knock Nick he takes.

3. St Kilda - James Aish (183cm, 74kg midfielder - Norwood)

The top pure midfielder in the draft, Aish has been a star of the underage SANFL scene for a number of years now - he has also played in two senior grand finals, not looking out of place in either. Right from his league debut as a 16 year old, he has pretty much been spoken about as a potential #1 selection. And there is a good reason for such high acclaim. He already looks like a seasoned AFL player when he has the ball in hand. He has more time than anyone else on the field, seemingly always makes the right decision and uses the ball as well as anyone. It's his general football smarts and ability to work his way into space which makes him a better contested ball winner than his slight frame may lead you to believe. Gary Ablett is hardly a bull in at the centre bounces, but he can find the gaps better than anyone. So while Aish may largely be an outside player at first (which would be his only negative in my view) I think he'll become a complete midfielder in no time and will be someone to build a team around.

1. GWS - Lachie Whitfield (184cm midfielder - Dandenong)

Whitfield has been considered the obvious #1 pick all season now, and it's pretty easy to see why - so much of what he does could already be classified elite amongst AFL players. His foot skills, off either leg, are exceptional and he always seems to make the right decision with ball in hand too. He also has a really unique combination of speed and endurance, so he will run all day long. Lachie has played all over the ground this season, spending a lot of time up forward and across half back. But he is a midfielder. All year, I've said he will likely cop unfair criticism for his inside game and some people have already started. But his inside game really isn't that bad. Yes, he isn't going to crash into packs and knock the ball out like some players. But there is more than one way to get a clearance, and he uses his smarts and positioning to get his. I think he is like Ablett in that regard. So I would have very few (if any) concerns about taking him at #1, the only reason he wouldn't go here would be if GWS really wanted a ruckman instead and weren't able to get another early pick in a trade. AFL Comparison: Gary Ablett

You did use the word hatred…

Writeups from 2012 and 2013 in the context of 2021 and the probably near 1000 profiles Chris has written since then don’t hold much value, IMO. To be clear you don’t hold similar views to what you did that long ago in any walk of life do you?

Overall I think I’ve been pretty transparent in my support of your posts in this thread so I hope I’m not coming across as knocking you down a peg my take is only that you might have missed the mark here

 

[Rusty Beam]

If you’re going to talk about me at least direct people to my thread! Get me some more views.

Nah, I think I’ve seen enough of where that kind of discussion takes a draft thread.

Well done on putting together one though.

 

[Rusty Beam]

You did use the word hatred…

Writeups from 2012 and 2013 in the context of 2021 and the probably near 1000 profiles Chris has written since then don’t hold much value, IMO. To be clear you don’t hold similar views to what you did that long ago in any walk of life do you?

Overall I think I’ve been pretty transparent in my support of your posts in this thread so I hope I’m not coming across as knocking you down a peg my take is only that you might have missed the mark here

Yeah I misspoke. And re-edited the quoted post.

‘Hatred’ definitely wasn’t the right term.

Maybe bias/prejudice… I don’t know, I’ve lost my thesaurus.

 

[Chris25]

I won’t stay long on this board, but my general view is that Daicos is too good forward of centre to spend his time stationed behind the packs. He could lead the league in score involvements if he’s pushing forward. I know he’s hitting the scoreboard as a junior anyway, but I think a role change will be needed to continue that at the next level. When he can’t just dominate and do whatever he wants.

If there’s a question of quality vs quantity, I’ll always choose quality.

 

[Rusty Beam]

If there’s a question of quality vs quantity, I’ll always choose quality.

I just could help myself…

 

[Chris25]

You can. Draft Horne-Francis.

 

[gouki88]

You can. Draft Horne-Francis.

16.5 disposals a game qualifies as 'quantity'??

 

[Rusty Beam]

You can. Draft Horne-Francis.

Lol. That’s kind of my point. I didn’t mention him once… Knew you wouldn’t be able to help yourself.

Don’t think I could handle watching him stand around the pack with his hands on his hips. Thanks for suggesting it though.

I think we’ll stick with our own adult sized version in JDG.

 

[sr36]

Love Eddie, but he’s not fit to tie the shoelaces of KB, Lethal and Daicos!

Not only were those three able to average more goals a game than Eddie, but they could do that and be dominant whilst spending periods through the midfield. All three kick 1000 goals if they spend their entire career forward (KB does it with decent conversion) and on pure talent are only matched by Buddy and Ablett Snr, IMO.

On that basis P Daicos is the most talented Pie I’ve seen and on topic I think N Daicos kicks 20+ goals next year if he plays forward of centre, but given how we’ll structure up off and on field I think they’ll start him down back.

Those three were undoubtedly much better players than Eddie and would have kicked enormous numbers of goals if they played their whole careers as forward pockets.

That 75 goal year from Eddie in that decade is extremely under appreciated, it was extraordinary. It sits the equal of any year those champions played as forward pockets. To put it into context, in that decade Buddy, Riewoldt, and Hawkins didn't have a year with as many goals. Only Kennedy did, with a year where he equalled it and another year where he kicked 5 more.

 

[WinstonWolfe]

You can. Draft Horne-Francis.

Sorry, but who are you?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

You can. Draft Horne-Francis.

Interesting. How do we do that, exactly?

 

[Chris25]

Sorry, but who are you?

The guy who was mentioned in this thread.

 

[stormskye]

still don’t understand this arguments over kids . Nick will be a great player, so will Horne, so will many others. They are all different.

 

[Rusty Beam]

16.5 disposals a game qualifies as 'quantity'??

Gouki, you must have missed the Bigfooty extrapolation memo.

You simply take the last game, and because it was fantastic, you just pretend like it’s representative of the entirety of the games played in the season i.e the other 19 games.

It’s the same way we all worked out that Sidey kicked 160+ goals in his draft year.

 

[loki04]

I love Pendles, ultimate professional, he makes time look like it’s slowing down.
But Pendles can’t mark overhead and isn’t a great set shot.
Only two knocks on his game. If he could do that we could sit him on the half forward line for the next 4 years!!!!!!


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If we are talking flaws vs the greats then it's.

Doesn't physically go in hard either to make a statement or win a HBG with physicality. Buckley did for example do this when needed.

Isn't a great mark for size.

Doesn't kick many goals.

Doesnt have burst ability to break open games nor does he typically swing momentum of games back in a teams favour like Bucks Swan Martin Danger etc.

He is undoubtedly a champion and has a lot he does elite but I wouldn't put him in the conversation with Buckley as a player.

 

[loki04]

Gotta laugh at the hatred of Nick from of one draft expert.

Supposedly “he’d much rather 25 touches and 1 goal through the middle and across half forward, than 40 touches behind the ball” from Nick.

Can’t have been too far behind the ball given the fact he been averaged well over 2 goals a game and about 35 touches in NAB league. And also kicked 2 goals to go with his 41 disposals in the challenge game…

Someone on EBnW in response to KMs assertation that Horne is 2 rungs above ND.

Date Posted: 12:27 28/09/21 Tue
Author: Konformist
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 203.63.145.95
Subject: For what it's worth, unidentified AFL recruiter says Daicos so far ahead it isn't funny
In reply to: Josh 's message, "Considering the number of goals Daics kicks this seems an odd criticism." on 11:59 28/09/21 Tue

 

[Pistol Night]

I remember the hype about Jimmy Toumpas

Jimmy Toumpas

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

0.8

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

after he played in 2 straight SANFL grand finals before being drafted. Ended well..

 

[gouki88]

I can't take an assessment of Horne-Francis as "a star defensively" serious. He takes heaps of plays off just like our very own De Goey.

 

[Rusty Beam]

I remember the hype about Jimmy Toumpas after he played in 2 straight SANFL grand finals before being drafted. Ended well..

You mean like this kind of hype… reads pretty similar to someone else IMO.

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas (183cm midfielder - Woodville)

A stand out performance in the SANFL finals series last year really announced Toumpas to the AFL world and he has continued from there. He is a very different player to Chad Wingard who was the first South Australian picked last year, but Jimmy is just as good in my eyes. Like Grundy, significant game time in the SANFL seniors has prepared him for AFL football and he'll be able to play Round 1 next year - and more than likely, he'll perform better than a lot of his teammates straight away. He is a genuine ball winning midfielder, and not only that, but he makes every disposal count. Playing through injury this year for SA, he was still named All Australian in the U18 Championships and really showed his natural skills and leadership in a game playing across half back. Oh, and did I mention he can go forward too? AFL Comparison: Jimmy Bartel