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Its gonna be weird not to see Nick in the stands next year. Peter and his wife will have to cheer for both of them. Can't wait to see Nick in this side.
 
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sr36 said:
I just can't see a reason for doing it - regardless of the finishing position. Except to make us fans a bit less angry as pick 30 and 31 made it a massive draft haul...
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What if we have a FA agree in principle already? Recruiting of these guys starts longer then a year out. Club of player asks for our 1st rounder instead of FA compo. If we have no 1st rounder are they likely to ask for next years 1st rounder over a FA compo pick this year?
 
Bay Pie said:
What if we have a FA agree in principle already? Recruiting of these guys starts longer then a year out. Club of player asks for our 1st rounder instead of FA compo. If we have no 1st rounder are they likely to ask for next years 1st rounder over a FA compo pick this year?
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Also the club has a responsibility to finish the very best they can, we are not the scum or the ski bunnies desperately losing for 1st rounders.
 

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Bay Pie said:
What if we have a FA agree in principle already? Recruiting of these guys starts longer then a year out. Club of player asks for our 1st rounder instead of FA compo. If we have no 1st rounder are they likely to ask for next years 1st rounder over a FA compo pick this year?
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Not sure where you are going with this. We don’t give up any draft picks for a free agent.
 
Gone Critical said:
Not sure where you are going with this. We don’t give up any draft picks for a free agent.
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Yes but the team that ‘owns’ the player can force a trade if our pick was better then the FA compo aka J Cameron to Geelong.
As a matter of interest, Hine rated Poulter top 20 and with McMahon a needed KPF. Along with an extra 3rd rounder for Nick. Do you not rate these guys or think a 2021 top 10 pick might turn out better value then these 2? Any trade of 2021 pick won’t be as juicy as suggested as clubs know we are trading it and most if not all would be swallowed by Nick. Future trading to 2022, is setting back any ‘rebuild’ by 2 years. So many permutations that Hine and Guy made the call on with knowledge of the situation.
 
Bay Pie said:
Any trade of 2021 pick won’t be as juicy as suggested as clubs know we are trading it and most if not all would be swallowed by Nick. Future trading to 2022, is setting back any ‘rebuild’ by 2 years. So many permutations that Hine and Guy made the call on with knowledge of the situation.
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You wouldn't trade for 2021 pick as its as you said eaten unless a bid came after our pick.

It would be for 2022 draft. The argument clubs know so will undervalue the pick to date hasn't happened for any other club. If the pick was top 6 you would get good value as teams compete against each other not us.

Hopefully the 2 we got in poulter and McMahon end up making it a moot point.
 
Bay Pie said:
Yes but the team that ‘owns’ the player can force a trade if our pick was better then the FA compo aka J Cameron to Geelong.
As a matter of interest, Hine rated Poulter top 20 and with McMahon a needed KPF. Along with an extra 3rd rounder for Nick. Do you not rate these guys or think a 2021 top 10 pick might turn out better value then these 2? Any trade of 2021 pick won’t be as juicy as suggested as clubs know we are trading it and most if not all would be swallowed by Nick. Future trading to 2022, is setting back any ‘rebuild’ by 2 years. So many permutations that Hine and Guy made the call on with knowledge of the situation.
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Way I look at is futures trading whether footy players or stocks adds extra risk/reward because of the unknowns thrown into the mix

In this case we have an extra risk we are punting on other than just what the value of the pick ends up being. We are also punting that Nick Daicos will end up going for a higher pick than the value of the pick we traded to GWS

I know a lot of posters believe this is a given but it’s not. Nick has played virtually no footy against the group of kids he is going to be judged against. This is meant to be a strong draft. If Nick gets a chronic groin injury that slows his year, if he gets injuries that put him out, if he just has an off period in the champs etc etc he is likely to drift.

So on the 1st part of the equation I think Hime and GWS probably looked at that pick when traded and estimated it would fall in the 8-13 range ( us finishing 5-10 on ladder). At this point I would reckon the market would have changed that value to more like 5-10 range. Early days I know.

Even for an 8-13 estimate I don’t think the picks we got are a great deal. If McMahon or Poulter make the grade then it can pay off. Still they are a bit speculative even for early 30 picks. Poulter has only played SA U18 level and McMahon is a skinny KPF.

Best senario is Nick D kills it this year and we have a good year and make finals. Once Poulter or McMahon becomes a serious AFL player then the punt has clearly paid off. Worst senario is we finish bottom 4, GWS gets pick 4, Nick has a good but not great year and slips outside top 5 and neither Poulter or McMahon make it. Obviously a fair range of possibilities in between.

We have gone to the futures market and then added another gamble to the mix. It’s a high stakes game. Win big or get burned are all on the table.


Last think I would have held onto our 2021 1st for trading this year if Nick was going to burn it up. Say pick 6 certain would get us much more than why we got selling when we did. That’s a risk we didn’t need and this year already looked problematic by December. Clubs would compete and pay correct price for whatever that pick was.
 
loki04 said:
You wouldn't trade for 2021 pick as its as you said eaten unless a bid came after our pick.

It would be for 2022 draft. The argument clubs know so will undervalue the pick to date hasn't happened for any other club. If the pick was top 6 you would get good value as teams compete against each other not us.

Hopefully the 2 we got in poulter and McMahon end up making it a moot point.
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The dogs tried to trade their first for a future first but ended up having to settle for later points picks. Clubs are pretty stingy when trading for picks that clubs need to move, even if they’re a top 10 pick it seems.
 

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Apex36 said:
The dogs tried to trade their first for a future first but ended up having to settle for later points picks. Clubs are pretty stingy when trading for picks that clubs need to move, even if they’re a top 10 pick it seems.
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They traded it and a future second for Treloar and two second round picks - of similar value to what we got for our future first.
 
sr36 said:
They traded it and a future second for Treloar and two second round picks - of similar value to what we got for our future first.
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That was my point. People expecting a future first for this years first rounder (if we had it) would likely be disappointed. They offered us the future second for Treloar and we offered the two seconds for pick 14 to be thrown in. They didn’t get the future first they were initially gunning for.
 
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That was my point. People expecting a future first for this years first rounder (if we had it) would likely be disappointed. They offered us the future second for Treloar and we offered the two seconds for pick 14 to be thrown in. They didn’t get the future first they were initially gunning for.
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I'm not sure how you have knowledge of this negotiation, but regardless of how skeptical I am, from where I sit, they got a heap for their draft pick - basically Treloar and a late 20s pick for pick 14.
 
sr36 said:
I'm not sure how you have knowledge of this negotiation, but regardless of how skeptical I am, from where I sit, they got a heap for their draft pick - basically Treloar and a late 20s pick for pick 14.
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It was reported ad-nauseum on trade radio that the Dogs were only offering a future second for AT right until the end of the trade period. If that’s what they were willing to pay for AT then logic dictates that the two second rounders were for pick 14. The only reason it looks like they got value is because AT is a gun, but at the end of the day they got him for the future second because they knew we had no choice, and we got their first for the two seconds because they had no better offers.
 
Apex36 said:
It was reported ad-nauseum on trade radio that the Dogs were only offering a future second for AT right until the end of the trade period. If that’s what they were willing to pay for AT then logic dictates that the two second rounders were for pick 14. The only reason it looks like they got value is because AT is a gun, but at the end of the day they got him for the future second because they knew we had no choice, and we got their first for the two seconds because they had no better offers.
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I'd suggest logic dictates that they weren't two seperate deals and we insisted on them trading pick 14 to us in order to get Adam Treloar.
 
DWil6 said:
I’m sure he does but this moment was predominantly support for his brothers goal more than the club.
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No. I reckon it was both. It's starting to become real and he can taste it. The magpie army will go berserk when the Daicos brothers cut loose.
 
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