Nick Suban - When?

[rodney hoo]

x2

You'll get no love on here. He helped Freo to a win big time today.

X3 got kick those goals though, will hurt us in big games.

 

[gaskin]

Much better today but still isn't best 22. If Muz is fit next week then I think Subes will be the one to make way.

 

[E Shed]

Decent game but is still the weakest link with better players to come back in.

 

[wild side]

Much better today but still isn't best 22. If Muz is fit next week then I think Subes will be the one to make way.

Mate, there is no way the Gu was not fit today. They wouldn't have taken him over.
I'd bring the Gu in anyway.

 

[Clems Knee]

So people who want Suban out to improve the team are not real supporters. Gotcha.

How did you read that from what I wrote? If you are interpreting someone else's post, I apologise.

 

[salim malik]

Much better today but still isn't best 22. If Muz is fit next week then I think Subes will be the one to make way.

Suban was preferred to Muz. Suban is a typical Lyon role player and today played the role he was asked to perform. As far as Ross is concerned thats enough to keep him in the side.

 

[wild side]

Salim knows RTB. Ross likes Suban, we like the Gu.
Ross has the last say.

 

[Latro]

Salim knows RTB. Ross likes Suban, we like the Gu.
Ross has the last say.

and he is wrong

 

[Banker]

Salim knows RTB. Ross likes Suban, we like the Gu.
Ross has the last say.

Gu will be back, I wouldn't say Ross prefers Suban over Gu. Today team decision was based on multiple factors and it wouldn't surprise me if Gu is straight back next week.

 

[wild side]

and he is wrong

Not often.

 

[Latro]

Not often.

No but his reliance on players he knows what he will get instead of players with more upside is his main weakness

 

[salim malik]

Gu will be back, I wouldn't say Ross prefers Suban over Gu. Today team decision was based on multiple factors and it wouldn't surprise me if Gu is straight back next week.

Yep ,I'm not saying Gu won't come in for Suban.Obviously Ross thought Subes could run and handle Johnson better than Gu.Gu looks the likely match up on Gaff so you would think he will get a call up .If there isn't a match for Subes he's out.

 

[wild side]

Yep ,I'm not saying Gu won't come in for Suban.Obviously Ross thought Subes could run and handle Johnson better than Gu.Gu looks the likely match up on Gaff so you would think he will get a call up .If there isn't a match for Subes he's out.

He's got mongrel though, and he shows that in Derbies. He'll be there this Sunday.

 

[Allikat]

Suban was good today. Not great, just good. He got the ball a lot, but didn't do much good with it.

But there are guys on our list who are better than him, probably would've done better today, and will more consistently perform for the side. He's great depth for the list, but I think keeping him in the side just because he's not sucking is going to hamper the development & match fitness of guys that have more upside

 

[The Speaker]

Suban was not in the game until he had a passage in the second quarter where he was around the ball five times in a few minutes.

He wasn't particularly damaging with any of those possessions. He continues to look like he was meant to play rugby - lost track of the amount of times he grabbed the ball and was immediately tackled. Lyon may see this as a positive, as his relentless need to grab the ball at least means the opposition doesn't have it.

 

[Docker82]

He performed his role today but who didn't from our team. Still stuffed up the odd kick but did a couple of nice things. Did he play better than Mzungu's average game or Sheridan last week? I don't think so. He'll need to play like that every week to keep his spot.

 

[kp junior]

I thought he was rubbish again. Surprised there's all this support for his game today.

 

[Grandstan]

I thought he was rubbish again. Surprised there's all this support for his game today.

Suban attacks the ball, especially when it's on the ground and up for grabs, with great courage. I don't always like his disposal, but given that football games are won by men who make great effort, he's a man I'm glad to have on our side.

 

[Nickos66]

He got better as the game wore on, and by the end he was doing pretty well. I'll admit I lost my shit in the (I think it was the 1st?) Qtr when he marked or got awarded a free and immediately handpassed 30cm to somebody standing flatfooted next to him who got gangtackled. Lost my f*****g mind..

 

[SHill Shall]

I thought he was still droppable today - but at least some improvement on last week where he was truly horrible. I'd have Mzungu replacing him in a heart beat.

 

[believe_it]

He got better as the game wore on, and by the end he was doing pretty well. I'll admit I lost my shit in the (I think it was the 1st?) Qtr when he marked or got awarded a free and immediately handpassed 30cm to somebody standing flatfooted next to him who got gangtackled. Lost my f*****g mind..

Yeh he had also given away a free by riding in to some guys back in a tackle. These are just careless hot-headed errors and it is quite possible that his aggression is the problem. Don't mind him being hard at it but it needs to be controlled. The requirement is to execute skills with precision , it"s not a bar fight.

You are right he did get better as the game wore on. However today we had people all over the ground playing with a level of surety and confidence to a degree that I have never seen it a Freo side. It's as if the team is moving forward And he is struggling to keep up. Needs to calm down control the aggression and get rid of the angry face.

 

[13then7]

No but his reliance on players he knows what he will get instead of players with more upside is his main weakness

But one of his main strengths is the fact he keeps a consistent team that learns to play alongside each other.

 

[Wigarus]

Every year there is a player that should be dropped all year for a player in the twos.

Michie, Simpson, Morabito

Michie and Morabito were underwhelming and have not shown anything since... Simpson's been delisted...

This year it looks like it's Crozier. I don't know what all the fuss is about, his game was ok last week but it wasn't amazing.



I think Suban is probably the weakest or close to the weakest of the midfielders that played today but I seriously doubt any of his potential replacements would have been better.

 

[Righteo]

Every year there is a player that should be dropped all year for a player in the twos.

Michie, Simpson, Morabito

Michie and Morabito were underwhelming and have not shown anything since... Simpson's been delisted...

This year it looks like it's Crozier. I don't know what all the fuss is about, his game was ok last week but it wasn't amazing.



I think Suban is probably the weakest or close to the weakest of the midfielders that played today but I seriously doubt any of his potential replacements would have been better.

Really?

Tendai Mzungu is a much better player, there's no doubt there let alone serious doubt, and Hayden Crozier kicked 3 at the same venue last year. Tommy Sheridan was out injured but when he's fit he'll be another competing for Suban's spot and going on round 1 and pre-season form deserves it more.

MDB has been sub the last two weeks and to his credit has performed his role well. That means Suban is the obvious player to be pushed out in coming weeks; this is not a witch hunt, this is not a crusade, it's just the desire to see our team improve wherever possible. Is 17 harried touches every second week really enough to cement his spot in the team?

Mzungu/Crozier/Sheridan/Blakely/Weller and co aren't Viv Michie, Simpson or Morabito either just quietly. I think that's a very disingenuous comparison.

 

[Steinfreo]

I dont really think Gu and Suban play the same role. Is Suban playing Deboers old role? who is doing Gu's role? Is that role still a thing in 2015 Dockers?