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No Difference between Public Library and File Sharing
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CaloundraClown
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He's reaching a bit though - I get what he's saying but it isn't 100% correct. After spending a lot of time on the comment section of TF I've come to the conclusion the majority of the regulars would pirate movies/tv even if they only cost 10c a go. Rick is one of these people - I think the pirate movement was great but in reality it is just filled with people who want everything for free.
Sorry, I can't agree with that one, Libraries are a loan service similar to a DVD rental store. They don't make an exact copy of a licensed product and give it away to everyone, they loan you their copy (licence).
TradeDraft
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Well - What happens when you Buy a DVD and then share it with Mates? What the Difference there?
Well most Torrents from DVD’s just have the Movie and don’t have the Extra Content that is put on the DVD.
What happens if People Borrow/Rent the DVD and make a Copy for themselves from that? You would think quite a few people would do that
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TradeDraft
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Think you been harsh saying that just about everyone on there would Pirate just because they can and want to stick it to the Coperates.
Rick is the leader if the Pirate Party of there in Eurpoe:
https://torrentfreak.com/author/rick-falkvinge/
http://falkvinge.net
TradeDraft
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Well the Makes as much Money from Library or Rental Stores as they get 1 payment for the DVD and that is the Same as File Sharing as 1 person Buy’s the DVD and then other people get it
You've purchased the licence, it's a single copy, if you loan them the DVD, they watch it, then give it back it's not a problem. It's the unmodified copy that you've purchased.
Under law that's illegal, plenty of people do it, hell I'VE done it, but at the end of the day it's illegal because you've duplicated licensed media.
TradeDraft
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So as long as you the person does not make a copy of the DVD, Then you should be okay
It is Illegal but you are right I say Majority of Younger People who Borrow the DVD’s would of made Copies of that DVD as you don’t want to Borrow the same DVD Over and Over and Over again
I say even Parents who have burned Kids DVD’s for there Kids
..... and this is why this guys analogy completely misses the mark. If you borrowed a book and photocopied/scanned the entire thing it would be just as illegal, but the act of borrowing something and returning it has absolutely nothing in common with internet piracy.
TradeDraft
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I agree he is not spot on but I don’t think he is even talking about the Law.
I see him saying that people Sharing there Stuff Thru Internet File Sharing is same way of Sharing as a Library and Rental Shops have.
Just don’t bring the Law into his Article as you said when you bring the Law in that is where the Difference is but I don’t think he using the Law in his Article
TradeDraft
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Well - There is not taking the Media from anyone so no one can have it. Anyone can still get it.
Law does make a Difference BUT we the Article does not use the law. It’s the Fundamental Idea of Sharing is being used here
No. Fundamental idea is completely different. In every way.
Every. Single. Way.
Every. Single. Way.
TradeDraft
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How?
It’s still Sharing Information and That is the Fundamental Idea. Nothing about $$$$
Dav has tried explaining it several times and I'm not sure whether I can do it any better.
It all comes down to licensing.
When a library loans you out a book / dvd / whatever, they have paid for the license to do it. Nobody is losing money.
When people download / share things illegally (i.e. don't have the license to do it), they haven't paid the distributor and by extension the content creator for the right to do it.
That's why fundamentally, they are not the same at all. One way people get paid, the other, nobody does.
Check this link out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Lending_Right - I am not sure how much the content creators get paid, but there is a system in place where they are compensated when their stuff is in a library.
Consider that libraries mostly deal with books which can be anywhere from $5-100 per unit and the author/publisher receives compensation whenever someone checks it out of a library in Australia.
Compare that to an episode of Game of Thrones which (I assume) costs a couple of million each episode to make. They earn a lot of their money to make that film mainly through advertising (which drops in value if people aren't watching a network and putting up with ads by downloading it) and direct sales (netflix, whatever). They receive no compensation for the millions of people who watch it through file sharing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Lending_Right - I am not sure how much the content creators get paid, but there is a system in place where they are compensated when their stuff is in a library.
Consider that libraries mostly deal with books which can be anywhere from $5-100 per unit and the author/publisher receives compensation whenever someone checks it out of a library in Australia.
Compare that to an episode of Game of Thrones which (I assume) costs a couple of million each episode to make. They earn a lot of their money to make that film mainly through advertising (which drops in value if people aren't watching a network and putting up with ads by downloading it) and direct sales (netflix, whatever). They receive no compensation for the millions of people who watch it through file sharing.
The difference is that with file sharing there is a duplicate being made. Despite the name "filesharing" it is copying, not sharing. Both people can use the item at the same time. That is very different from sharing a physical item, whether that be a book or a lawnmower.
Without even considering the law or licences it is a very different thing.
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