No run or spread.

[Tigerland#4]

Second half Carlton showed us up, with speed, no white or foley killed is. Francis please target speed in the draft. Also need to improve our fitness greatly, we havent been running out games this year. May sound like an excuse but this has been our problem most of the year.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Need a new forward line coach as well.

 

[living_in_syd]

Lol we missed foley and white.

But it's the third time this has happened against Carlton.

Surely our fitness is an issue. If our fitness coach was ports (which we nearly had).

 

[Tigerland#4]

We keep getting one paced players, that are meant to tackle and win contested ball, but they don't do that.

 

[DustinsGuns]

Shane Edwards needs to go. We need to recruit some pace not slow plodders like Matt Thomas

 

[DrMike]

Keep in mind we lost Conca to a hammy, then had what, 3 other players all have ankle injuries?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yep,We missed White run/speed,Not so much Foleys[No Pace] and Conca going down didn't help

 

[Mr Magic]

Keep in mind we lost Conca to a hammy, then had what, 3 other players all have ankle injuries?

Agree we shouldn't over compensate but endurance component is an important factor obviously.

I think it might be something that in terms of team balance atm we lack a little endurance.

the disappearance of midfielders in the ruck contests at the end startled me though amongst other things

 

[Harmichael]

Not fit enough, not fast enough.

 

[theflea]

Need a new forward line coach as well.

Voss in the midfield with daly back to the fwd line, and Williams gorn.

 

[theflea]

Keep in mind we lost Conca to a hammy, then had what, 3 other players all have ankle injuries?

This is why we had no run and martin went out of it with no break.

 

[Tigerland]

Not fit enough, not fast enough.

And unable to tackle effectively. We tackle like a bunch of girls. Is this what Hardwick teaches them? Captain blood would be turning over in his grave.

 

[rideclutch]

The amount of energy we expended in the first half for only a 4 goal (or so) lead was always going to be telling.

Combine that with the early injury, and two of our runners not playing and yeah, we probably ran out of legs before 3QT.

All I can say is I hope it doesn't become a trend. FWIW, after another solid pre-season into some young legs, I don't think it will be.

 

[fargothegreat]

With our team already seeming to lack fitness, I'm really worried about what the interchange cap is going to mean for us

 

[Mr Magic]

Martin needs to up his second half performances through improved enduro and or shift to half forward

 

[Madtiger2006]

Hate losing to Carlton. Their supporters barely care if they win or lose. Just there to annoy. They are heartless and that's why only 20,000 of them showed up to our 70,000.

 

[TiggerMan22]

A

Shane Edwards needs to go. We need to recruit some pace not slow plodders like Matt Thomas

Apparently he has been injured for the last month. Was good in the first half of the season.

 

[SA TIGER]

Voss in the midfield with daly back to the fwd line, and Williams gorn.

Williams gone? That's a big call flea. Voss in the mid field is better.

 

[tigerimij]

Williams gone? That's a big call flea. Voss in the mid field is better.

I dont think 'flea' meant 'Chocco' but the other M,Williams

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Look at our team versus last week.

No White (injured).
No Foley (dropped).
No Conca (injured first quarter).

That's a lot of run and spread gone. You leave too much to too few after this and it's no wonder they ran out of legs....

 

[Mr Magic]

D Garlett may have been handy

 

[deliberate!!]

Rubbish, Hardwick saw how Carlton comes back in the second half AND HE WASN'T PREPARED. AGAIN!

 

[Punt Road Feral]

Losing Conca was a massive blow to our midfield but I still think players underdone like Newman, Titch and Kingy went missing in the second half when we looked tired and slow.

 

[GroundhogDay]

Second half Carlton showed us up, with speed, no white or foley killed is. Francis please target speed in the draft. Also need to improve our fitness greatly, we havent been running out games this year. May sound like an excuse but this has been our problem most of the year.

Fitness may be an issue but only because our game style is flawed.

1. Richmond relies on run and spread uncontested footy
2. This works exceedingly well against poor opposition as most pushes forward result in goals
3. Good teams repel many attacks and return the ball quickly after long kicks to contests (Richmonds preferred approach)
4. Richmonds run and carry means the whole team pushes forward at warp speed (losing their opponents)
5. Good teams then move the ball with absolute ease with the entire Richmond team chasing all the way back up the ground (always 1+ men behind) and oppositions get easy goals.
6. Richmond players get progressively more tired through the game, magnifying the issue
6. Good teams also force turnovers in the middle of the ground. See #5 Easy goals.
7. In the first half of games (even against weaker teams) Richmond can run back quickly and in many cases stop much of the easy ball movement
8. Richmonds backline is strong when the ball is delayed in entering the defensive 50 (often in 1st half)

Anyone brave enough to watch the 2nd half from today will see this repeated 15-20 times. Previous weeks will see the same, even against teams like GWS where a huge lead was only moderately improved upon in the second half.

So imo the issue is too much offence across the team moving forward resulting in pathetically easy rebound goals. Mick essentially loaded the backline in the first half to wait out the Tigers stamina and then smashed us in the second half where they were only behind by 4 goals at HT. So to the other coaches, drop a man back in the first half and then throw 2-3 fast run and carry types in your backline in the second half and pow, you should win most games against Richmond.

I've also noticed another smaller trend in Richmond structure, in the first half they switch the ball quite a bit (not as much as I would like though) and in 2nd halfs they almost always just pass the ball up one side of the ground, with tiring players meaning lack of options forces a long kick to a contest.

Anyway I'm proud of the Tigers this year but it is truly becoming groundhog day watching them against decent opposition......

 

[GroundhogDay]

Martin needs to up his second half performances through improved enduro and or shift to half forward

We also need an extra in and under type, too many players like Martin/Grigg standing on the outside. Missed Foley and next year will lose Tuck's clearances as well!