News Noble gone

[demondavey]

So which is it?

The kids need time to develop, or they need to be part of getting immediate win-loss results and if not the coach needs to go?

Great post

 

[Billy ray]

Get Wayne Carey in some way in a full time role. So he won’t be on channel 7

 

[Toump Ass]

You reckon Clarkson didn’t spray players? Roos definitely sprayed Demons players.

Been a long time since either of those two tasted success.

Noble's spray clearly didn't work.

 

[Elixuh]

So which is it?

The kids need time to develop, or they need to be part of getting immediate win-loss results and if not the coach needs to go?

I think some club's fans are much more open to just cycling through coaches because that is what they're used to. Carlton sits front of mind in recent times. So its not surprising their view is to just sack the coach.

 

[kozi]

Great post

Just having some fun with a Bay13 aficionado. Should probably get some work done though..

 

[demondavey]

Been a long time since either of those two tasted success.

Noble's spray clearly didn't work.

Clarkson was punching holes in walls when Hawthorn were on the precipice of a three peat. He’d be yelling at them for sure.

Roos took us from a basket case to a chance. He didn’t have to win a flag because he was only in it for a few years. He absolutely turned our direction around.

 

[Plugger35]

It's strange that North would sack Noble after their best performance of the year against Collingwood, they looked like a different team against them.

Maybe their new coach had already taken over and Noble was just there on the sidelines as a puppet coach with their new coach pulling the strings.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Pathetic.

The reason coaches don't give "sprays" anymore is because it's not conducive to a successful environment. If he can't motivate the players or educate them on a workable system without resorting to ripping into the campaigners then he's a s**t coach.

You reckon Clarkson didn’t spray players? Roos definitely sprayed Demons players.

A spray should be assessed on a case by case basis - it can't be used week in week out to any real effect. If he felt the need to scream and shout week in, week out (as was reported) then he wasn't doing them any favours.

That's not to say he should've been removed as the senior coach so soon, but the spray was largely ineffectual and only served to demotivate players.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Not if the rumours of the players not liking Noble are true.

If Noble had to apologise for a spray he gave them last month (as reported) then they're a just a bunch of soft c**** who should toughen up.

I think its more if they didn’t like him in the first place, they won’t respect the sprays he gives.

Plenty of coaches give sprays, Voss gave a huge publicised one a couple of weeks ago and the players responded, why? Because the players respect him as a coach. Clearly north don’t have that with Noble, which is more his problem than theirs.

Also, we don’t know what was said either. If a spray is being used to bully or belittle players, rather than motivate or encourage, then thats an issue.

I always laugh when people automatically assume players are soft ***** for not responding well to a spray. Same people would be running to HR if their boss so much raised their voice at them.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Issues about North culling their list aside, name me what other club in the league (or around the world) would have kept their coach on after a one win season (regardless of the circumstances) ?

Despite what many here think, I don't think North took this decision lightly, Geoff Walsh has done a comprehensive review of the club and its operations over 2-3 weeks (which I assumed including interviewing the players)

I honestly don't believe North has any choice but to sack Noble in the end. Just my opinion of course.

 

[perplexed]

Clarkson was punching holes in walls when Hawthorn were on the precipice of a three peat. He’d be yelling at them for sure.

Roos took us from a basket case to a chance. He didn’t have to win a flag because he was only in it for a few years. He absolutely turned our direction around.

Roos is a charlatan. He is comfortably the most overrated and overpaid person in footy. Hiring him has been a disaster for us.

 

[Toump Ass]

A spray should be assessed on a case by case basis - it can't be used week in week out to any real effect. If he felt the need to scream and shout week in, week out (as was reported) then he wasn't doing them any favours.

That's not to say he should've been removed as the senior coach so soon, but the spray was largely ineffectual and only served to demotivate players.

Exactly. "Proof inside of pudding" as my mother says.

If you have a mature group in a window who are underperforming, rip into the campaigners, they deserve it.
A young group and you're probably best served with a gentle hand to educate them.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I wrote this about a month ago:

I'm happy to give my 2 cents on the subject as a long-term supporter of the club. There are quite a few issues, many of which Noble has inherited.

As a people manager, it is hard to say. He has his favourites like any coach, but there is an alleged (I stress the word alleged) divide between the older players that back him and a younger group that find his intended gameplan far too complicated to implement properly and that it is ineffectual for the modern game. There appears to be a real lack of competitiveness amongst the whole group and a few of the younger players are not responding well to his style of coaching (Stephenson and TT for example). Our fitness standards are still lacking (though slightly improved on previous years) and have been really poor since the end of Scott (we fell behind most clubs in regards to fitness).

As a gameday tactician, it is also hard to say given the lack of quality personnel. His persistence with 2 rucks without a proper KPF CHF is a bug-bear for many supporters, but I understand it due to Comben's constant injuries. I would say Noble is average at best, but he's at least willing to be versatile with players (i.e. Bailey Scott

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to HB). Some on our board think he overemphasizes versatility too much, which forces ball-pigs like Powell and LDU to sit on a flank or at half-forward for long periods. We all get the need for versatility, but some players just can't be flexible.

Too early to tell with list management as he's only had one main draft and one MSD draft. Our list management woes are a consequence of a few things. We simply lack decent players and leaders in the 24-28 bracket (think Scott/Joyce years), our current leaders being very average for the most part and we lacked both KPDs and KPFs heading into the season. We had to play Aiden Bonar

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on Harry McKay

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a few months back because of personnel issues. Injuries to our better young players also hasn't helped.

At the time, I felt he was the right pick, but I personally have concerns over his player management, an inability to instill competitiveness, a real noticeable regression since last year and his capacity as a gameday tactician (jury is still out on this one). I personally want him gone as player trust problems are often untenable and we are simply too uncompetitive atm, but the issues are larger than him. I feel that the board simply hasn't ponied up the resources over the years (largely due to cost savings and poor appointments) for our support staff, our fitness staff and the VFL team. Our CEO in Ben Amarfio has also been largely mediocre. We made the right decision letting go Luff and co a few weeks back. They are the ones that decided last summer to have 3 genuine KPDs and 3 genuine KPFs heading into 2022 was a grand idea.

 

[harper2bastinac]

Agree with what you said has been on the coach, which is Powell being played out of position and Xerri in over CCJ.

Would playing Powell through the guts more and throwing CCJ in the ruck alone have changed the scoreline much in any games? Probably not.

Possibly not but it doesn’t end there, this year we have also seen big blunders such as:

• McKay up forward with opposition containing tex/ fogarty & Hawkins/Cameron (20 goals between them)
• ldu moved out of the middle to the forward line after having a strong quarter (Carlton game biggest example)

*Xerri becoming no1 ruck choice

• Scott on the hbf (much better on the wing)
• turner getting gifted games every single week
• Thomas and Stevenson struggling and playing up forward when the balls nowhere near there and complaining that they can’t get into The game
• refusal to play ccj as a second forward to help larkey getting double/ triple teamed.
• perez on the wing when he should be at hbf

There’s plenty more but they stand out

 

[royboy2]

Interesting to see how they perform against Richmond this week

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

Very sad day.

 

[freddy mercury]

Doesn't the media love a coach sacking, they beat themselves off over it. It's Christmas come early whenever a coach gets the arse. Absolute filth, when one of their own gets the arse, it's like nothing happened.

 

[Elixuh]

Issues about North culling their list aside, name me what other club in the league (or around the world) would have kept their coach on after a one win season (regardless of the circumstances) ?

Despite what many here think, I don't think North took this decision lightly, Geoff Walsh has done a comprehensive review of the club and its operations over 2-3 weeks (which I assumed including interviewing the players)

I honestly don't believe North has any choice but to sack Noble in the end. Just my opinion of course.

Carlton had 1 win after 17 rounds in 2018 and didn't sack Bolton.

Plenty of teams have had 2 or 3 wins in an entire season. There is no material difference between 1 win and 3 wins (or even probably 5) when considering sacking a coach during a full list gut and rebuild.

Wins become more relevant in seasons 4 and 5. We are just over halfway through season 2.

 

[Ischenko]

Love all the experts on our list in here. Please keep enlightening us with your informed and balanced opinions on all of the VFL standard players we have running around. I like how you’re very specific in naming them too.

Turner
Walker
Hayden
Atu
and maybe Ziebell are players this year definitely not AFL standard or with no scope for improvement (i.e played less than 50 games). Who are all the others?

(I don’t rate Lazzaro that highly, Patrick Walker will be delisted, etc etc. But seriously even Jared ****en Polec is not a VFL player). FFS.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

I always cringe when outgoing coaches participate in these pressers. It seems like a uniquely AFL thing to do.

Doesn’t a club statement suffice without the media theatrics of doing a whole press conference.

Every club is guilty of this. In the Premier League, a club will release a statement that a coach has departed and everyone moves on quickly.

 

[freddy mercury]

When my daughter said "Dad I want to be a journalist", I replied with "Maybe consider Stripping or Prostitution, its a far more honourable profession"

Who was the jurno that had the audacity to ask Brad Green questions about his wife immediately after his wife passed away? That was when the media lost all credibility in my eyes.

 

[kozi]

Possibly not but it doesn’t end there, this year we have also seen big blunders such as:

• McKay up forward with opposition containing tex/ fogarty & Hawkins/Cameron (20 goals between them)
• ldu moved out of the middle to the forward line after having a strong quarter (Carlton game biggest example)

*Xerri becoming no1 ruck choice

• Scott on the hbf (much better on the wing)
• turner getting gifted games every single week
• Thomas and Stevenson struggling and playing up forward when the balls nowhere near there and complaining that they can’t get into The game
• refusal to play ccj as a second forward to help larkey getting double/ triple teamed.
• perez on the wing when he should be at hbf

There’s plenty more but they stand out

McKay playing forward and not KPD against the likes of Hawkins/Cameron was the baffling one there.

2 of those are going over the same thing as we did previously (Xerri/CCJ) and another 2 are wing/flank adjustments (much of a muchness)

Thomas and Stephenson have always rotated forward, that's their game
Turner has been effective as a tagger - shut down stars such as Neale in round 3 and Josh Kelly in round 13

I think you're padding out some of these adjustments just a tad which paint Noble doing a worse job tactically than what he's done. Not saying he's a master tactician by any stretch, in fact he'd be bottom half of the league in that regard comfortably. But I think you'd find almost 100% of supporters have a similar list of gripes with their own coaches, even sides in the top 8. Don't get me started on the calamity of some of our selections.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Where was the improvement realistically coming from though, given:

• Phillips Powell JHF haven’t come on as expected
• Trial ruck setup this season with Goldstein in his twilight and a 12 gamer Xerri (now injured)
• Hall who was your best player last year has been injured
• Cunnington unfortunate with his cancer scare hasn’t been on the park
• Anderson had his vax issues
• Greenwood the number one recruit has been out of form
• Ditto CCJ who can barely get a game even in this team
• Polec one of your highest paid hasn’t been on the park
• Thomas your most talented player has given up

That’s just off the top of my head. Probably double the amount of issues. None of that is on Noble.

tl;dr The board has its head firmly up its own backside expecting any improvement from last year. Results this year have been shocking yes, but them put into perspective with all those issues on top of gutting 17 players over the past two seasons and they have been par for the course.

Phillips has been continuously injured and was a Victorian kid that couldn’t play in his draft year due to Covid. Powell is a second year mid that has battled OP and JHF is a first year player. Weird criticisms.

 

[freddy mercury]

Mr Noble speaks very well, he will have an n off field role at another club pretty quickly, if he wants it.

 

[kozi]

Phillips has been continuously injured and was a Victorian kid that couldn’t play in his draft year due to Covid. Powell is a second year mid that has battled OP and JHF is a first year player. Weird criticisms.

If you bothered to follow the conversation - they aren't criticisms. They're things that have happened that Noble really isn't to blame for.

Stop being a triggered supporter.