News North offer for Maynard

[backtothedraft]

It’s not really relevant is it?

You’ve still paid him that amount over the course of his contract, regardless of the year it’s in.

Even if you have front loaded it, you could have diverted the money to front load others.

The counter argument is we could be paying Sheezel $100k (or any other player the available funds could have been used for) a season in those same seasons without paying a 34 year old Maynard to play in the VFL or a 35 year old Maynard a $600k settlement to spend the season on a beach in Europe…

Maynard getting a payout at 35 is a far more likely outcome than him being worth even $500k in year 6 and playing 340 career games…

Even going along with your argument for a minute, is Maynard then worth $1.4m a season as a 29 and 30 year old then?

You are entering Ben McKay territory there…

I’m not trying to argue a particular point just highlighting there is so much more nuance in player salary and the salary cap than is usually considered in these debates. We make judgement based on reported player salary and contract length, but we don’t have access to all of the other information which would allow us to my accurately analyse the contract (e.g. current liabilities, future predicted cap, percentage of TPP being paid).

Theres also the systemic issues that we have historically not been able to attract the same quality players that many other Victorian clubs have had access to. This is why we’ve ended up paying a high price for Stephens and Fisher because we could attract anyone else with those end of first draft picks.

I’m not yes or no for the Maynard deal just think there’s many factors which go into these decisions

 

[Sphynx]

I’m not trying to argue a particular point just highlighting there is so much more nuance in player salary and the salary cap than is usually considered in these debates. We make judgement based on reported player salary and contract length, but we don’t have access to all of the other information which would allow us to my accurately analyse the contract (e.g. current liabilities, future predicted cap, percentage of TPP being paid).

Theres also the systemic issues that we have historically not been able to attract the same quality players that many other Victorian clubs have had access to. This is why we’ve ended up paying a high price for Stephens and Fisher because we could attract anyone else with those end of first draft picks.

I’m not yes or no for the Maynard deal just think there’s many factors which go into these decisions

Have you considered some of our systemic issues are caused by the fact we resort to going for some of these same older players?

We’ve recruited the likes of Dal Santo, Waite, Higgins, Parker, Darling, Daniel in the last decade. Maynard very much sits in this bracket at 29 years of age. They are good players, but they were all virtually final contracts other than Higgins..

It reeks of a club not really of any real relevance. How much does that permeate other recruits? We will never know. Clarko certainly hasn’t brought anything more than Scott did on the recruitment front.

Now, people were waxing lyrical about Parker joining, I’m sure he’s unreal off field, but how much of a factor was he on the weekend? Win us the game? Propel us forward when the game was on the line at 3qtr time? Talk is cheap with these big money senior recruits.

Paying Maynard $40,000 a game in the twilight of his career is not going to move the needle drastically at all. So then, is the ‘good bloke’ factor worth that amount vs the likely infield benefit we get from him for a few seasons?

 

[Horizons_00]

Why did I hear about this weeks ago?

Was this reported earlier?

Love the move but he has to be allowed to be tough as nails and turned into mush playing with us

 

[backtothedraft]

Have you considered some of our systemic issues are caused by the fact we resort to going for some of these same older players?

We’ve recruited the likes of Dal Santo, Waite, Higgins, Parker, Darling, Daniel in the last decade. Maynard very much sits in this bracket at 29 years of age. They are good players, but they were all virtually final contracts other than Higgins..

It reeks of a club not really of any real relevance. How much does that permeate other recruits? We will never know. Clarko certainly hasn’t brought anything more than Scott did on the recruitment front.

Now, people were waxing lyrical about Parker joining, I’m sure he’s unreal off field, but how much of a factor was he on the weekend? Win us the game? Propel us forward when the game was on the line at 3qtr time? Talk is cheap with these big money senior recruits.

Paying Maynard $40,000 a game in the twilight of his career is not going to move the needle drastically at all. So then, is the ‘good bloke’ factor worth that amount vs the likely infield benefit we get from him for a few

Put yourself in the list managers shoes at the end of the year. What’s your play?

 

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[Makeshift Park]

Imagine that hit on Angus Brayshaw if he was wearing North colours. Would've been 7 weeks!

 

[Mr north man]

Are you sure this going to happen as of now McDonald will play out this season and next in the AFL no matter what no matter what .

 

[Themanbun]

Damn this fkd list management strategy. Always knew leaving these big holes was gonna have us overpaying or over contracting in trades and free agents to fill them and it's coming to fruition.

I really like Maynard as a player. 6 years on that kind of money for hard nut mid sized back is a bit wild.

We also just had Clarko telling us how we need to be careful with offers because there's 40 odd other blokes on the list seeing these salaries and it sets expectations that may not be able to be met for everyone. Then we hear 6 years close to $1m a year for a bloke who finished equal 8th in their best and fairest.

 

[Sphynx]

Put yourself in the list managers shoes at the end of the year. What’s your play?

Offer him $1.2 x 3

Or $1.4 x 2 with a $1m trigger for the 3rd on B&F results (ie something that can manipulated for the clubs benefit if needed)

Or a scaled 3 year deal $1.5, $1.3 , $800k. Effectively engineering a signing bonus into it.


Maynard is a good target for the short term. Salary cap is not a problem for the next season or two and he has no trade cost. The issue here is the last 3 years. They have absolutely no way of forecasting the potential risk and impact of his deal then

Big enough carrot to move him, likely 50% pay rise or more currently. The second option is likely doubling his wage.

Can still front load it.

Manager isn’t stupid, understands if he performs there can still be a few 1 year deals to eke out his career post first contract. We offer 1 years deals that fit in our TPP model and his performances actually justify. He and his manager has zero leverage at this point as a 32 year old anyway.

Pies likely get Band 1 and will likely torpedo their contract offer to him anyway, they need to rebuild and don’t have their Rnd 1 pick currently. So they get a refund on their draft capital for a 29 year old.

We lower our risk completely. And paying $100 or $200k more per year for his actual best years in the proposed contract without the back end risk lowers our exposure completely.

$3.6m contract vs $6m.

Maynard and his management says no, because we have already shown our cards with this other offer. But this should have been already engineered with Collingwood first….

It’s as much a deal with Collingwood as it is Maynard… and that is not because they can match (they can’t)

If Collingwood lowball him in the knowledge of our contract and their compensation, the relative difference between our offer is enormous and too hard to turn down. It’s exactly what we should have done with Zurhaar last year…


I’ve always advocated list managers should be from private business with specific skill sets. Not ex-footballers. They have no strategic planning background, they have no negotiation experience. They have spent their life kicking a football as a 20 something kid. Not negotiating multi-million dollar contracts with implications to $50m-$150m small businesses with a few hundred staff.

I’ve met plenty of the current list managers, from my experience almost all of them would get eaten alive in the corporate world in a similar role.

I’m sure a club will be smart enough in the near future to think laterally like this.


The other point to this whole story is, we would want to be absolutely certain LDU is signing to be throwing this money around in FA this year prior to his signature…. As recruiting Maynard on that money would likely demote any LDU compo to a second rounder

 

[spurs]

Wow

 

[Dan]

 

[chubbspeterson]

How about you draft a good defender for once list management!

Fair point. We haven't drafted many defenders. But even the Hawks got a bunch of players from other clubs in their defensive group and same with the Pies in their premiership team.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Wouldn’t have an issue if it was 4 years @ 850-900k. Especially when the likes of Perryman and Battle got that sort of $$ during free agency last year.

5-6 years on 1 mill just seems overs to me. there are risks at his age that his output drops considerably once he is 32-33 and we are left paying for a further two years of mediocre output. Personally, think that sort of dosh should be left for the absolute top tier of players (or key position players) but I guess a million dollar per year is going to be far more common as the salary cap increases in the coming seasons.

Going away from the $ and contract, he is just about the perfect player for our backline. Hard nosed, physical and is a good decision maker. Rarely gets beaten and is the sort of player who inspires others with his acts of courage on field. He’d compliment Daniel perfectly.

Bit how I feel. The $ and length are the biggest issues for me and part of me thinks its his management trying to get Pies to up their deal and then he signs a bit like Viney situation.
He would add another premiership player and AA to the group and change the competitive culture.
But is that money better spent on players in that 22-27 year old bracket (Farrell?) who can give us longer service?
Potentially. It's easier said than done to attract those kind of players to us though in our current state.

I'm sure the players who signed on like Simpkin, Larkey, Sheezel, Xerri, Comben and Curtis and those who may sign on (LDU, Wardlaw, Duursma, McKercher) would want to see us making moves to improve immediately and start winning, as well as push for a flag before some of them finish up their careers.

 

[giantroo]

Why did I hear about this weeks ago?

Was this reported earlier?

Love the move but he has to be allowed to be tough as nails and turned into mush playing with us

We were interested last year but he decided to stay. That's why there is the link now.


Revealed: Roos’ shock play for premiership Pie

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-news-north-melbourne-made-shock-play-for-premiership-collingwood-player-brayden-maynard/news-story/4d24c494bc9bc990dda51c9935a879ad

 

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[SpiderBurton22]

**** me, people are really outraged by the hyperbole of ambulance chaser Jay Clark.

It's obvious we're got an offer to Maynard, going by past history but if you listened to his Fox footy grab you can tell he's got no idea of what we've offered and is putting his own mayo on it.. Offer up to 6 years, as much as 5 to 6 million dollars.

 

[gerry101101]

**** me, people are really outraged by the hyperbole of ambulance chaser Jay Clark.

It's obvious we're got an offer to Maynard, going by past history but if you listened to his Fox footy grab you can tell he's got no idea of what we've offered and is putting his own mayo on it.. Offer up to 6 years, as much as 5 to 6 million dollars.

Spot on.

These stories are always 1/3 true.

• Yes, club does have an offer.
• Jay C would have no idea re offer value, which is why they use “could be as much as” type language. Of course it “could be”
• Jay C would have no idea re length. Repeat point from above.

Any number or length that is reported will be based on one or more of:

• pure speculation
• player managers providing tidbits which could or could not be accurate, and would be motivated to help drive up prices and thus more likely to be inflated.

 

[koshari]

Next thing we'll be reading that he's intertwined in the JFK conspiracy files.

Might explain continuese selection.

 

[nmfc91]

With the position we find ourselves in, we need to pay overs to lure established talent, I'm all for it. You need talent to win games of footy & winning is what we need to do asap.

 

[DocSholl]

**** me, people are really outraged by the hyperbole of ambulance chaser Jay Clark.

It's obvious we're got an offer to Maynard, going by past history but if you listened to his Fox footy grab you can tell he's got no idea of what we've offered and is putting his own mayo on it.. Offer up to 6 years, as much as 5 to 6 million dollars.

Naive to think journos like Clark aren't in tune with player agents. There will be a little mustard on the report but I doubt it's miles off the mark. Agree it's most likely a ploy to try and get the Pies offer up

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

**** me, people are really outraged by the hyperbole of ambulance chaser Jay Clark.

It's obvious we're got an offer to Maynard, going by past history but if you listened to his Fox footy grab you can tell he's got no idea of what we've offered and is putting his own mayo on it.. Offer up to 6 years, as much as 5 to 6 million dollars.

Yep. And the shock and outrage is at the maximum years and dollars he guessed. On the balance of probabilities it's more like 4 to 5 on 800 to 900k and maybe a trigger.

We have been over paying our underperforming players for decades just to meet the salary cap. I have no issue with the club overpaying some players from other clubs to get them across if they have identified a hole in the list and think player X can fill it, even if some of them don't work out. NO club wins every trade. Plenty of players that just about everyone here said we shouldn't have targeted have gone on to be very good players for their new club.

 

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[Rampaging roos]

Love Maynard spud furitto arch type hard at it.but this is just click bait.fabricated story..As soon as I seen jay Clarks name I pmsl.

 

[LB2Snake]

Strange that this is our strategy in Round 2.

 

[travelli]

Probably part of the ldu trade.

 

[Possession]

Are you sure this going to happen as of now McDonald will play out this season and next in the AFL no matter what no matter what .

IMO he could very well retire this year, just depends on if the ones gunning for his spot can actually get up and supplant him. Poor Goater, man.

 

[shinboner magic]

When the deal is completed they shouldn’t be any older than 31/32 for any big money offer.

 

[Ashley B]

Love Maynard spud furitto arch type hard at it.but this is just click bait.fabricated story..As soon as I seen jay Clarks name I pmsl.

That Jay bloke must writing his articles in the tanning salon of late. Does he know there no good for you lol