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u can't drop ponting. not yet, anyway. if you were going to pick an australian to bat for your life, i defy you to pick anyone other than ponting.

clarke as the most suitable captain? i can't agree with that on any level. personally, i keep hoping that white or bailey will get selected at 5 or 6, or that tim paine will replace haddin permanently, because all 3 have far better cricket brains than clarke in my opinion.

the short sightedness of the selectors has been a problem for years. when we had the exodus a few years back, the selections of katich (as much as i rate him), macgill and hogg; and eventually the selection of north and the prolonged selection of hussey set us back years.

i'm not a believer that you hand out baggy greens for nothing. but at some point we needed to have more confidence in one or two players who showed potential in the way that warne and mcgrath were shown that confidence.

smith is a good start. paine would be good if i thought they were going to stick with him. ferguson would've been in for north if not for injury.

we did it with the fast bowlers... the likes of siddle and mckay (albeit wrongly with mckay i think) were shown confidence when they might not have been the obvious selections - but we've never done it with the batsmen.

i'm going to list my 2013 ashes team below. it's not overly different to our team now. but the point is that the future needs to be now - our period of dominance is not going to be defined by simon katich, marcus north or mike hussey. and we can't continue to dip our toes in the water with guys like hughes and smith if we aren't going to follow through with them.

1. hughes
2. watson (since he played that season for tassie as a specialist batsman cos of stress fractures, i've considered him a quintessential number 3 - he has the perfect technique for it... but horses for courses unfortunately)
3. ponting (i'm really open to him dropping down to 5, but with watson opening i don't consider anyone in this team to be a better first drop)
4. clarke
5. ferguson/bailey/kwahaja
6. white (he needs to work on his bowling and make himself an allrounder option!)
7. paine (such a talented batsman - could bat 6 with smith 7 or vice-verca)
8. smith (i don't rate him that highly as a leggy - but he seems to be the best we have)
9. johnson (maybe... we'll see)
10. hilfenhaus
11. bollinger


i was speaking to my brother yesterday about how we went from a team with at leat 8 genuine superstars to a team with nothing coming through. we agreed upon two reasons.

the first is that we changed the structure of the cricket academy, seemingly for no other reason than because we got bored with it and because we thought that when rod marsh moved on we thought that he was the lifeblood of it and it would die without him. the likes of mcgrath, warne, ponting, langer et al all did stints there. now? well, who even knows what's going on with it now.

the second reason we agreed upon was too much cricket. you improve by playing against people better than you. if we have a shield competition full of mediocre players, then everyone will remain mediocre. but take george bailey for example... as a 22 year old kid, if he was sitting next to ricky ponting in the dressing room, then going out to the middle to face glenn mcgrath or shane warne, i'm pretty confident that he'd be a much better player now than what he is.

we need to play less international cricket. ditch 50 over matches, the format is dead. constant rule changes designed to breathe new life into it had the opposite effect, the time has come to kiss it goodbye. we should be playing no more than 6 test matches and 6 t20 games a summer, and there should be none of this nancy boy "i'd rather hang out with my wife in wagga than go and represent my state" crap. barring injuries, our test players should be playing at least 2-3 shield matches a year.
 
nobbyiscool said:
u can't drop ponting. not yet, anyway. if you were going to pick an australian to bat for your life, i defy you to pick anyone other than ponting.

clarke as the most suitable captain? i can't agree with that on any level. personally, i keep hoping that white or bailey will get selected at 5 or 6, or that tim paine will replace haddin permanently, because all 3 have far better cricket brains than clarke in my opinion.

the short sightedness of the selectors has been a problem for years. when we had the exodus a few years back, the selections of katich (as much as i rate him), macgill and hogg; and eventually the selection of north and the prolonged selection of hussey set us back years.

i'm not a believer that you hand out baggy greens for nothing. but at some point we needed to have more confidence in one or two players who showed potential in the way that warne and mcgrath were shown that confidence.

smith is a good start. paine would be good if i thought they were going to stick with him. ferguson would've been in for north if not for injury.

we did it with the fast bowlers... the likes of siddle and mckay (albeit wrongly with mckay i think) were shown confidence when they might not have been the obvious selections - but we've never done it with the batsmen.

i'm going to list my 2013 ashes team below. it's not overly different to our team now. but the point is that the future needs to be now - our period of dominance is not going to be defined by simon katich, marcus north or mike hussey. and we can't continue to dip our toes in the water with guys like hughes and smith if we aren't going to follow through with them.

1. hughes
2. watson (since he played that season for tassie as a specialist batsman cos of stress fractures, i've considered him a quintessential number 3 - he has the perfect technique for it... but horses for courses unfortunately)
3. ponting (i'm really open to him dropping down to 5, but with watson opening i don't consider anyone in this team to be a better first drop)
4. clarke
5. ferguson/bailey/kwahaja
6. white (he needs to work on his bowling and make himself an allrounder option!)
7. paine (such a talented batsman - could bat 6 with smith 7 or vice-verca)
8. smith (i don't rate him that highly as a leggy - but he seems to be the best we have)
9. johnson (maybe... we'll see)
10. hilfenhaus
11. bollinger


i was speaking to my brother yesterday about how we went from a team with at leat 8 genuine superstars to a team with nothing coming through. we agreed upon two reasons.

the first is that we changed the structure of the cricket academy, seemingly for no other reason than because we got bored with it and because we thought that when rod marsh moved on we thought that he was the lifeblood of it and it would die without him. the likes of mcgrath, warne, ponting, langer et al all did stints there. now? well, who even knows what's going on with it now.

the second reason we agreed upon was too much cricket. you improve by playing against people better than you. if we have a shield competition full of mediocre players, then everyone will remain mediocre. but take george bailey for example... as a 22 year old kid, if he was sitting next to ricky ponting in the dressing room, then going out to the middle to face glenn mcgrath or shane warne, i'm pretty confident that he'd be a much better player now than what he is.

we need to play less international cricket. ditch 50 over matches, the format is dead. constant rule changes designed to breathe new life into it had the opposite effect, the time has come to kiss it goodbye. we should be playing no more than 6 test matches and 6 t20 games a summer, and there should be none of this nancy boy "i'd rather hang out with my wife in wagga than go and represent my state" crap. barring injuries, our test players should be playing at least 2-3 shield matches a year.
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Interesting read this.

Firstly international players have every right to a break from international duties. Why should they be forced to represent there state in between tours when that could be there only break for another 6 months. If we took your approach then I am telling you a lot of quality talent would be lost to Australia and will become "hired" cricketers, doing 20/20 comps around the world.

Secondly our shield competition is the best local competition in the world and that is accpeted around the world. You look at competitions such as the county leagues in England. They require international players to have a competitive league as the home grown talent drops off very quickly over there. Over here that is not the case.

I think you will find there Australias problems come from the fact that we have so many talented players capable at international level that it is just too hard to pick the correct mix. Heck look at David Hussey and Brad Hodge. They would be 2 players which dominated the Pura Cup (as it was known) for many years and was hardly looked at for international duties. The newer players are just as good.

As for you sugesting Paine as our first choice keeper. Man you must have a short memory. There is this guy called Haddin. I hear he goes alright with the bat. The only thing Paine has over Haddin is his keeping work is a touch better.

Also Hauritz is now and will forever be rightfully Australias first choice keeper abover all others. His improvment over the last 12 months have been superb.

My 2013 ashes side would be:

1. Hughes
2. (insert name yet to apear)
3. Ferguson
4. Clarke (c)
5. Kwahaja
6. Smith
7. Haddin (wk) (I think he will be picked on batting ability)
8. Hauritz
9. Siddle
10. Hazlewood
11. Pattinson

12th man: Mitch Marsh

Someone like Kwahaja has the technique to open so I would not be suprised if we see a Langer type move by him up to open.
 
jiphoc said:
Interesting read this.

Firstly international players have every right to a break from international duties. Why should they be forced to represent there state in between tours when that could be there only break for another 6 months. If we took your approach then I am telling you a lot of quality talent would be lost to Australia and will become "hired" cricketers, doing 20/20 comps around the world.

Secondly our shield competition is the best local competition in the world and that is accpeted around the world. You look at competitions such as the county leagues in England. They require international players to have a competitive league as the home grown talent drops off very quickly over there. Over here that is not the case.

I think you will find there Australias problems come from the fact that we have so many talented players capable at international level that it is just too hard to pick the correct mix. Heck look at David Hussey and Brad Hodge. They would be 2 players which dominated the Pura Cup (as it was known) for many years and was hardly looked at for international duties. The newer players are just as good.

As for you sugesting Paine as our first choice keeper. Man you must have a short memory. There is this guy called Haddin. I hear he goes alright with the bat. The only thing Paine has over Haddin is his keeping work is a touch better.

Also Hauritz is now and will forever be rightfully Australias first choice keeper abover all others. His improvment over the last 12 months have been superb.

My 2013 ashes side would be:

1. Hughes
2. (insert name yet to apear)
3. Ferguson
4. Clarke (c)
5. Kwahaja
6. Smith
7. Haddin (wk) (I think he will be picked on batting ability)
8. Hauritz
9. Siddle
10. Hazlewood
11. Pattinson

12th man: Mitch Marsh

Someone like Kwahaja has the technique to open so I would not be suprised if we see a Langer type move by him up to open.
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see, i have problems with that line up.

firstly, no watson - but i'll forgive that, i assume it's an oversight?

secondly, the bowlers - we've already done the overhaul with our fast bowlers, i think dumping johnson, bollinger and hilfenhaus is counter productive. especially if we're aiming at 2013, when hilfenhaus is likely to still be our best bowler in english conditions. and if we're going to give an up and coming quick the "glen mcgrath treatment", i think copeland is the one with the most upside at the moment.

thirdly, you aren't considering ages - haddin will be 35 going on 36 by 2013. his keeping wasn't ever good enough in the first place that he can afford any slowing of footwork or reflexes. fans will argue this point though i guess... when it comes to the keeper, some will argue that 2013 is an arbitrary date, so keep picking haddin til he can't go any more. i guess i just see it differently - paine is the clear number 2. if haddin won't be there in 2013, then turf him out. on top of that, stats will probably show that haddin has a better batting record. but to watch them play (i think) is to see that paine is a more reliable and consistent batsman. looking forward, i think smith and paine are the ideal 6 and 7.


i can't agree that our batsmen coming through are as good as hodge or dussey - i wish they were! if either of those guys were 7 or 8 years younger, they'd be walk up starts (despite hodge's allegedly abrasive nature). to read through this thread with the uncertainty and lack of confidence in anyone to replace marcus north, i don't think its fair to say that our younger players are just as good - i think we have a massive dearth of talent in the 24-28 year old age group.

i'm not convinced with kwahaja. i just can't help but think that if this kid played for south australia or tasmania, no one would know who he was. for the sake of 3 or 4 years difference in age, i just think that bailey and white are better options.

finally, i don't think we're likely to have the english "gun for hire" system with our best players. i'd like to think that cricket australia contracts are more water-tight than that. and i would also like to think that the australian cricket culture is strong enough that a player will play test cricket for as long as they can rather than becoming t20 mercenaries.
 

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courtjester said:
I know North isn't making runs, but i'm sure his experience counts for something...
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If Khawaja or Klinger were in the side 12 months ago, we'd be better placed for the retirement of Hussey this Summer and Ponting the following. The longer we wait, the less time guys like them will have to settle in; and we need them settled in when Huss/Kat/Punter do go.

North's experience counts for nothing, his constant failures are now placing even more pressure on guys like Paine and Smith.

He needs to go be shit somewhere else.
 
"As for you sugesting Paine as our first choice keeper. Man you must have a short memory. There is this guy called Haddin. I hear he goes alright with the bat. The only thing Paine has over Haddin is his keeping work is a touch better."

Comments like this crack me up. It says it all about modern cricket.

The keeping side of the wicketkeeper/batsmen role being downgraded to almost a footnote.
 
King Elvis said:
If Khawaja or Klinger were in the side 12 months ago, we'd be better placed for the retirement of Hussey this Summer and Ponting the following. The longer we wait, the less time guys like them will have to settle in; and we need them settled in when Huss/Kat/Punter do go.

North's experience counts for nothing, his constant failures are now placing even more pressure on guys like Paine and Smith.

He needs to go be shit somewhere else.
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I agree, I just think this is probably the selectors thinking. When North debuted, they missed an opportunity to replace him with a really young bat while we had Ponting, Katich and Hussey in the side still.

Ponting Hussey and Katich are all at an age now where failure will begin. Once it does, it wont stop. The test team needs to be cleverly managed in the next 18 months. Hussey and Katich both seem the kind of guys who wont retire. I think at least one of the above three needs to be retired, along with North if he doesnt make big runs, at the end of this summer.

I'd back Katich as the guy to stick around a few years yet but in 2013 he'll be 37/38. This needs to start now.

If I was a selector, I would drop North now. Forget his 6 wickets, he is a batsman. Smith would replace him, and our team this summer would be:

Watson
Hussey
Ponting
Clarke
Smith
Katich

Katich becomes our number 6, and Hussey opens. Katich stays down there for the next 2 years (depending on form) as our middle order rock.

After this summer's Ashes, dependant on form, I think either Hussey or Ponting will/should go. They wont make it til 2013, and they should make this their last series. Both should be gone in time for us to build a new side for 2013. The side in 2013 should look something like this:

1. S. Watson
2. P. Hughes
3. U. Khawaja
4. M. Clarke
5. C. Ferguson
6. C. White/S.Smith
7. T. Paine
8. N. Hauritz
9. A. McDonald ( he would get the job done in the UK...MJ should not play in England ever again)
10. P.Siddle
11. B. Hilfenhaus
 
courtjester said:
1. S. Watson
2. P. Hughes
3. U. Khawaja
4. M. Clarke
5. C. Ferguson
6. C. White/S.Smith
7. T. Paine
8. N. Hauritz
9. A. McDonald ( he would get the job done in the UK...MJ should not play in England ever again)
10. P.Siddle
11. B. Hilfenhaus
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Shocking bowling line up. What happens if we bat first and Watson hits a ton or a double ton? McDonald will not take wickets at international level. Hazelwood is the future and George is not far behind him. I think with one of these two in the side the side looks far more dangerous! I can't see how McDonald, Hauritz and White/Smith will take wickets on a regular basis within the allotted time of a five day test match!
 
RangaInTeal said:
My 2013 ashes side would be:

1. Hughes
2. Marsh.S (if Katich isn't still around)
3. Kwahaja
4. Clarke (c)
5. Ferguson
6. Watson
7. Paine
8. Hauritz
9. Siddle
10. Hazlewood
11. George

12th man: Mitch Marsh
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Looking at this line up, there are three bowlers that all bowl the same, Hiff in for George!
 
In the next 12-24 months, Clarke and Watson may only be our surviving batsmen. Eventually I think hughes should come in and Watson bat at 3, whether Ponting is pushed down the order or out of the side is another story. Bailey, White, Klinger, Khawaja, Marsh all need to step up and fill the vacant positions in the middle order.

In the short term, especially in India North DROPPED Smith at 6 he gives us great flexibility he can offer more with the bat, ball and in the field than North. Having a off (Hauritz) and leg spinner in the side is great advantage.
 
FFS just drop North, he is ****en shit and does not deserve his place in the team, obviously the selectors have this uncanny appreciation for players who are not performing their roles? They are the only selectors in the world that have this delusional thinking
 
Doodlesweaver said:
"As for you sugesting Paine as our first choice keeper. Man you must have a short memory. There is this guy called Haddin. I hear he goes alright with the bat. The only thing Paine has over Haddin is his keeping work is a touch better."

Comments like this crack me up. It says it all about modern cricket.

The keeping side of the wicketkeeper/batsmen role being downgraded to almost a footnote.
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Paine is a more technically correct batsmen, but they both play completely different styles of Cricket. Haddin is a poor mans Gilchrist, similar aggression, not the same elite eye that Gilchrist possessed. It leads to brain-fades, because he can't pick up on the minor deviations that Gilly saw easily.

Batting at 7, Paine >>>> Haddin

Glovework, my gosh. Has there ever been such a poor keeper actually stand behind the stumps as Haddin? The guys footwork is a joke and this is why he spuds catches and leaks runs.

As a keeper, Paine >>>> Haddin
 

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The Governor said:
Michael Hussey has to retire!! Gee, Trevor Hohns forced out David Boon, Mark Taylor, Craig McDermott, Mark Waugh and Ian Healy with a tazor gun whilst Andrew Hilditch prefers to walk his players along the beach with his Golden Retriever!!

I would leave Shane Watson as an opening batsman. Gee, he has the best defensive and offensive technique for a top order batsman and I would leave him there!

Simon Katich only has 12 months of good cricket ahead of him. Gee, he has scored an abundance of runs but will he be around in 2013?

We have to plan for the future instead of picking players to fill in the gaps whilst we are a top side.

We are not a top side anymore. People have to remember that!! England and India are the top two test nations at the minute even though I detest India!!

THE GOVERNOR
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Here we go :rolleyes:

Did people seriously think we'd remain the 'undisputed number 1' side forever more once Warne and McGrath retired? Add in Langer, Martyn, Gilchrist, Hayden, Lee and Clark.

Come on, everyone here put their hands up if, after losing all of the above players, you seriously expected Australia to remain the top side. If you answer yes, then great, you know nothing about cricket.

We have one remaining player who is a undisputed great - RT Ponting. Some will argue his on the decline and he probably is, but his 35 going on 36. It isn't unrealistic to say his best days are behind him, but by gee, his the only batsmen we have got who can dominate an attack.

Reading between the lines, it is clear that Ponting is going to retire from test cricket after the Ashes and from ODI cricket after the World Cup. A few weeks ago he came out and said that he'd be looking for a new job if Australian didn't regain the Ashes this summer. That was an astonishing quote, to put that much pressure on yourself can only mean one thing, that this summer will be his last and he knows it deep down. He probably feels he has nothing to lose. His made his mind up his going to retire, win, lose or draw.


Australia has only lost 3 of it's past 17 test matchs. Two of those were against SA, and the other against India. For all it's faults, Australia is still a formidable side at home and that is always a good start.

Away from home you sense that Australia is vulnerable, but that is understandable.

We have lost so many great players, you can't expect to be number 1 forever. But surely, even the most pessimistic fans should feel encourage by the likes of Smith, Hughes and Paine, not to mention the bowling stocks around the country.
 
Take Aim said:
Here we go :rolleyes:

Did people seriously think we'd remain the 'undisputed number 1' side forever more once Warne and McGrath retired? Add in Langer, Martyn, Gilchrist, Hayden, Lee and Clark.

Come on, everyone here put their hands up if, after losing all of the above players, you seriously expected Australia to remain the top side. If you answer yes, then great, you know nothing about cricket.

We have one remaining player who is a undisputed great - RT Ponting. Some will argue his on the decline and he probably is, but his 35 going on 36. It isn't unrealistic to say his best days are behind him, but by gee, his the only batsmen we have got who can dominate an attack.

Reading between the lines, it is clear that Ponting is going to retire from test cricket after the Ashes and from ODI cricket after the World Cup. A few weeks ago he came out and said that he'd be looking for a new job if Australian didn't regain the Ashes this summer. That was an astonishing quote, to put that much pressure on yourself can only mean one thing, that this summer will be his last and he knows it deep down. He probably feels he has nothing to lose. His made his mind up his going to retire, win, lose or draw.


Australia has only lost 3 of it's past 17 test matchs. Two of those were against SA, and the other against India. For all it's faults, Australia is still a formidable side at home and that is always a good start.

Away from home you sense that Australia is vulnerable, but that is understandable.

We have lost so many great players, you can't expect to be number 1 forever. But surely, even the most pessimistic fans should feel encourage by the likes of Smith, Hughes and Paine, not to mention the bowling stocks around the country.
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Great post, finally some rational and logical thought.

Despite popular belief, we are not going to win this Ashes series by throwing a bunch of young blokes into the deep end. I'm absolutely stunned at people suggesting that we should drop, of all people, Simon Katich. Our most consistant performer of the last few years, in one of the most critical positions. As much of a fan of Phil Hughes as I am, he is going to have to wait his turn.

They always say it's harder to get out of a cricket side than it is to get into it, and that will continue to be proven correct. I agree that perhaps we need to be a little more ruthless in dropping underperforming players, using North as an example here. But simply dropping players for a huge series like this, because it is felt that they won't be able to play in 2013 is just crazy.

Take each series, each game, each innings and each ball as it comes. There is more than enough quality in this side to win the Ashes in a couple of months time. A kick up the arse is needed, but to change the side as some of you are suggesting would cripple the side, and make a mockery of the Baggy Green.
 
Not sure where you get your stats but we haven't even played india in the last 17 tests(which we have actually lost 4 not 3 of)

But really that 17 number is leaving out the two losses to india away and the two losses to south africa at home.

Fact is in the last few years we have lost most of the big series we have played vs the top teams.

South africa at home and england and india away, we have in between this beaten up the poorer teams like nz wi and pakistan and even that seems to have come to an end.
 
Any possibility of Hughes playing at 3 as a "third opener" type scenario?

1. Watson
2. Katich
3. Hughes
4. Clarke
5. Ponting
6. Hussey
7. Haddin
8. Hauritz
9. Johnson
10/11 - Sidde/Bollinger/Harris/George on form fitness etc.
 
I love Ponting, and I back him to the hilt, but somebody needs to take the decision away from him, and move him down the order.

He's a ****ing legend, but he's like Atlas; he'll carry the world on his shoulders because he thinks he has to.

He loves playing for Australia, he's mentally tough and he has balls the size of small planets; but it shouldn't be up to him to be our main man anymore.

It's about time somebody else took some responsibility, let Ponting go down the order where he doesn't have to be the immortal he once was. We need him in the side for the next couple of years, because the absolutely moronic selectors haven't brought new blood into the team anywhere near enough.
 

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King Elvis said:
I love Ponting, and I back him to the hilt, but somebody needs to take the decision away from him, and move him down the order.

He's a ****ing legend, but he's like Atlas; he'll carry the world on his shoulders because he thinks he has to.

He loves playing for Australia, he's mentally tough and he has balls the size of small planets; but it shouldn't be up to him to be our main man anymore.

It's about time somebody else took some responsibility, let Ponting go down the order where he doesn't have to be the immortal he once was. We need him in the side for the next couple of years, because the absolutely moronic selectors haven't brought new blood into the team anywhere near enough.
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I agree.

My ideal top 3 goes like this:

Hughes
Watson
Katich
 
King Elvis said:
I love Ponting, and I back him to the hilt, but somebody needs to take the decision away from him, and move him down the order.

He's a ****ing legend, but he's like Atlas; he'll carry the world on his shoulders because he thinks he has to.
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Like that is going to happen. Who exactly do you think is powerful enough to impose that on the skipper?

If Alan Border rang him up and told him to do it, he might listen, but I can't think of a single other person in CA or surroundings who has either the actual or the emotional power over Punter that this type of move would suggest.

I don't believe the selectors would or even could.

About the only other person he might listen to, and that is purely down to his fanboy status towards this player, is Sachin Tendulkar!
 
frankrizzo said:
Not sure where you get your stats but we haven't even played india in the last 17 tests(which we have actually lost 4 not 3 of)

But really that 17 number is leaving out the two losses to india away and the two losses to south africa at home.

Fact is in the last few years we have lost most of the big series we have played vs the top teams.

South africa at home and england and india away, we have in between this beaten up the poorer teams like nz wi and pakistan and even that seems to have come to an end.
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Sorry, I ment our last 17 'home' tests.

We beat SA away 2-1 - which was a great achievement.

Lost to India 2-0 - but we were at rock bottom then.

Lost to England 2-1.

Hardly comprehensive.
 
Our 4 biggest series in the last 2 years were the indian tour the england tour and the back to back south african series.

We were comprehensively beaten in 3 of those 4 big series, the one series we did win was on the back of hughes batting and johnson's all round performance both of which now look like fleeting purple patches.

When you take the overall stats from the last 2 years we have been solid but Australian cricket is about winning the big series and matches and fact is we have beaten the poor teams lately and been poor ourselves against the top teams.
 
frankrizzo said:
Our 4 biggest series in the last 2 years were the indian tour the england tour and the back to back south african series.

We were comprehensively beaten in 3 of those 4 big series, the one series we did win was on the back of hughes batting and johnson's all round performance both of which now look like fleeting purple patches.

When you take the overall stats from the last 2 years we have been solid but Australian cricket is about winning the big series and matches and fact is we have beaten the poor teams lately and been poor ourselves against the top teams.
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That's because we aren't good enough to win against the big sides. Most of our players are unreliable apart from Kat and Clarke with the bat. I'm pretty sure that none of the selectors really knows what would be the best bowling combination now either. The bowling line-up has gone through some real changes in both ODI and test matches for various reasons.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
That's because we aren't good enough to win against the big sides. Most of our players are unreliable apart from Kat and Clarke with the bat. I'm pretty sure that none of the selectors really knows what would be the best bowling combination now either. The bowling line-up has gone through some real changes in both ODI and test matches for various reasons.
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ur post got me thinking/wondering.

do u reckon they dont know the best line up?

perhaps they know the best line up isnt the one we have now, but like we have with the north situation, they dont want to tell us all that they got it wrong.

or maybe the current line up is the best, and that idea is just really depressing... a tearaway who had one good summer, an honest tryer in a wig, a good swingbowler who now seems injury prone, and an offie who cant get a game for his state. if that is the best line up, no wonder the good countries keep beating us!
 

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