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mmmm doesn't mean the whole team are on it.

Pro cycling teams rarely spend extensive time with each other except during training camps and when racing. Most train with other riders from the same area. Therefore, in most cases, riders within a team will have little knowledge of what the others are doing apart from what races are their targets for the year.

Its rare to get a case of organised teamwide doping in the modern era. It all kind of went to ground after the Festina debacle of 1998.
 
Nooooooo!

Shit news for Cadel. Thought he was going to be a major chance with Kohl by his side.
 

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My comment on Schumacher from the TDF thread:

Yeah the guy rode the alps practically by himself and beats home the likes of Vandevelde, Evans and Menchov by 2 minutes in the time trial. That's about as suss as it gets. Makes me wonder a bit about his teammate Kohl as well, which is sad because he has probably been the story of the tour.

Over the last 2-3 years of the tour nearly every "exceptional" individual performance has been discredited. Landis' recovery, Rasmussen, Schumacher and the time trials, Ricco and Peppoli dropping everyone on the mountain stages and Kohl finishing third overall.

Cancellara is about all that is left and CSC have their own drug cloud at the moment...
 
Bloody cheating bastards. When it looks to good to be true it usually is.

To the above post. Cancellara has done this time and time again in the last few years. Out of all those cyclists hes the one with the runs on the board so as not to claim it was an exceptional performance. I highly doubt (and hope very much so) that Fabian is riding on anything.
 
mmmm doesn't mean the whole team are on it.

Pro cycling teams rarely spend extensive time with each other except during training camps and when racing. Most train with other riders from the same area. Therefore, in most cases, riders within a team will have little knowledge of what the others are doing apart from what races are their targets for the year.

Its rare to get a case of organised teamwide doping in the modern era. It all kind of went to ground after the Festina debacle of 1998.
hmmm, you should do some more research.

USPS/Discovery, CSC, ONCE/Liberty Seguros, and Telekom/T-Mobile have all had systematic doping programs.

Have a look at the evidence from Vaughters and Andreu. The blood doping phenomenon requires a big support infrastructure. They are all on blood transfusions, and Kohl and Schumacher were on EPO variants also.

So riders use EPO microdosing, to disguise blood doping via transfusion. What happens when you deposit 500ml of red cells, you body shots off producing new cells, reticulytes. They test this, and can tell. In early 2004 Tyler Hamilton and his Phonak teammates were warned for his bloodwork. The hematologist who studied his bloodwork at his USADA hearing said he had never seen someone with reticulytes so low.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tour-like-a-mobile-pharmacy-10544

They are still all doping, the ones at the pointy end.

USPS used to take 30 injections per stage, all legal. Then they had their illegal stash. The legal stuff was for CNS (central nervous system), cardiac system, and blood system. There is a statute in the WADA regulations which pertains to legal drug taking, which contravenes the spirit of the sport.

Ironic actually, if you did not take drugs, that seems to contravene cycling spirit.
 
So many riders thought they would get away with taking Cera this year... fantastic they are getting caught now that a test has been developed.

Cannot say I'm surprised by this though...
 
So many riders thought they would get away with taking Cera this year... fantastic they are getting caught now that a test has been developed.

Cannot say I'm surprised by this though...

i guess it is still sad too see so many riders on performance enhancing drugs:thumbsd: However hopefully these last few weeks will result in less riders taking them
 
My comment on Schumacher from the TDF thread:



Over the last 2-3 years of the tour nearly every "exceptional" individual performance has been discredited. Landis' recovery, Rasmussen, Schumacher and the time trials, Ricco and Peppoli dropping everyone on the mountain stages and Kohl finishing third overall.

Cancellara is about all that is left and CSC have their own drug cloud at the moment...

There's Contador...
 

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There's Contador...

Yes, there is Contador. Amazing endurance for such a young man - and what about that time-trial in '06. I've been suspicious for quite a while on this bloke - and I reckon I'm not the only one. How he managed to put together a time like that with technique like that is beyond me...
 

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