Numbers in your head.

[EssJayW]

I had this discussion last night with my wife and my mother.

When you think of numbers, do you envisage an ordered structure in your mind or are they everywhere?

I have an ordered structure which helps in my recall of anything numeric. Its not a straight line but a weird 3 dimensional order.

Any thoughts or am I just insane?

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by EssJayW
I had this discussion last night with my wife and my mother.

When you think of numbers, do you envisage an ordered structure in your mind or are they everywhere?

I have an ordered structure which helps in my recall of anything numeric. Its not a straight line but a weird 3 dimensional order.

Any thoughts or am I just insane?

I have a great capacity for remembering phone numbers but have to imigine the number pad is in front of me. I have to pretend to press the numbers, so I dont know if I remember the actual phone number or the sequence they appear on the number pad. I cant remember the number if I have dialed on an old fashioned dial phone.


Having said that I still cant answer your first question. The answer to your second qeustion though is yes you are insane.

 

[EssJayW]

Re: Re: Numbers in your head.

Originally posted by localyokel
I have a great capacity for remembering phone numbers but have to imigine the number pad is in front of me. I have to pretend to press the numbers, so I dont know if I remember the actual phone number or the sequence they appear on the number pad. I cant remember the number if I have dialed on an old fashioned dial phone.


Having said that I still cant answer your first question. The answer to your second qeustion though is yes you are insane.

I suppose the last question was a given.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Originally posted by EssJayW
Any thoughts or am I just insane?

Nah. If you were insane, you'd hear voices, not numbers.

 

[Nic]

I dont 'envisage' numbers. I'm decent at maths and can remember the odd longish number (dad's credit card numbers were extremely easy) but I have no idea what you're on about.

I guess moreso, I 'hear' them in my head ... if that makes sense.

 

[Runk]

My brain can only cater for one number at a time, hence my inability to successfully complete the simplest of addition/division/subtraction/multiplication.

 

[Katthawk]

Phone numbers and dates I remember pretty well. Maths I need a calculator or it takes me ages to work it out manually.

Otherwise I'm insane.

 

[thewhippersnapper]

Dates are easy.

Mobile Phone numbers though are another story.....I cant remember any of my friends numbers and it took me a while to remember my own. Thats why I have them all in my phonebook

 

[raskolnikov]

At a psychology tutorial at university one day we had a competition to see who could remember the longest sequence of numbers. We had five minutes to study the numbers then write down how many we could remember. The way I remembered was the use of mnemonics. For example 44564 = four dogs and four cats used five fish to produce six eggs and four babies. Silly but effective. My retention rate was one of the highest.

 

[Katthawk]

Originally posted by DonFan
The way I remembered was the use of mnemonics. For example 44564 = four dogs and four cats used five fish to produce six eggs and four babies. Silly but effective. My retention rate was one of the highest.

I would find it hard to remember what I had made up to remember the numbers in the first place not to mention why! Repetition is my thing.

 

[mellowyellow]

When i think numbers i am overwhelmed by visions of a long hall, ugly headmistress and 6 of the best.

 

[Pedro]

I'm good with phone numbers, credit cards, bank accounts etc. If I've dialled a number a few times, I can often recall it a couple years down the track. Don't know how or why? Some people can, some can't.

Its the same thing with the number of tasks ones mind can cope with at the same time. Some people can cope with 3 or 4 things at once. Others just wont and can looke stupid. But give them the same task one or two at a time, and they will cope no probs.

 

[EssJayW]

Does no one understand me??????

When I think of a number say 446, my thoughts go instantly to where this number is in the scale. So if I am to add say 468 to that number I really only have to think of 468 above the original number in the scale and there is your answer. Same goes for / + and x.

And with DonFan's mnemonics, you can take that a step further and rather than having 1 symbol triggering your memory of one symbol, ie four dogs = four, you can have 1 symbol = X amount of numbers or texts.
ie four dogs = 44564

and then take it a step further ie f = 44564.

but then you would like to make it in some type of order so you might use the system

a = 1 b=2, c=3. d=4, e =5 etc.

So you have twenty numbers to remember 44564523451345865420.

Breaks these numbers into groups of 5

d = 44564
e = 52345
a = 13458
f = 65420

so the word d.e.a.f triggers the 20 numbers

Take that a step further and look at the 20 numbers as 1 number

and use the d as the trigger.

Not very hard and a good way to remember pages of text verbatim.

BTW. Anyone who had to learn firearms justifications, word perfect, would have variations of the same.

 

[marcuz]

Numbers in your head

Im lucky i can remember my name..everything else is a blur.

 

[mellowyellow]

Originally posted by EssJayW
Does no one understand me??????

When I think of a number say 446, my thoughts go instantly to where this number is in the scale. So if I am to add say 468 to that number I really only have to think of 468 above the original number in the scale and there is your answer. Same goes for / + and x.

And with DonFan's mnemonics, you can take that a step further and rather than having 1 symbol triggering your memory of one symbol, ie four dogs = four, you can have 1 symbol = X amount of numbers or texts.
ie four dogs = 44564

and then take it a step further ie f = 44564.

but then you would like to make it in some type of order so you might use the system


a = 1 b=2, c=3. d=4, e =5 etc.

So you have twenty numbers to remember 44564523451345865420.

Breaks these numbers into groups of 5

d = 44564
e = 52345
a = 13458
f = 65420

so the word d.e.a.f triggers the 20 numbers

Take that a step further and look at the 20 numbers as 1 number

and use the d as the trigger.

Not very hard and a good way to remember pages of text verbatim.

BTW. Anyone who had to learn firearms justifications, word perfect, would have variations of the same.

Qué

 

[EssJayW]

Originally posted by mellowyellow
Qué

 

[raskolnikov]

I'm not sure but I think that was an impression of Manuel off Fawlty Towers

 

[mellowyellow]

Originally posted by EssJayW

Im sure it means "What" in spanish.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by EssJayW
Does no one understand me??????

When I think of a number say 446, my thoughts go instantly to where this number is in the scale. So if I am to add say 468 to that number I really only have to think of 468 above the original number in the scale and there is your answer. Same goes for / + and x.

And with DonFan's mnemonics, you can take that a step further and rather than having 1 symbol triggering your memory of one symbol, ie four dogs = four, you can have 1 symbol = X amount of numbers or texts.
ie four dogs = 44564

and then take it a step further ie f = 44564.

but then you would like to make it in some type of order so you might use the system

a = 1 b=2, c=3. d=4, e =5 etc.

So you have twenty numbers to remember 44564523451345865420.

Breaks these numbers into groups of 5

d = 44564
e = 52345
a = 13458
f = 65420

so the word d.e.a.f triggers the 20 numbers

Take that a step further and look at the 20 numbers as 1 number

and use the d as the trigger.

Not very hard and a good way to remember pages of text verbatim.

BTW. Anyone who had to learn firearms justifications, word perfect, would have variations of the same.

Apart from the last half which is absolute jibberish (remembering pages of text verbatim??), i must say i also have a visual image of where the numbers are on a scale much like what you do.

Maybe you can explain your number scale a bit better becae i certainly cant use mine to add 468+466.

My visual image of the numbers starts off with 1, where it would be on the face of a clock. This is the case for all the numbers up to 12. The number 13 is a bit left of 12, sort of just above the 11, and makes another circle up until the number 20.

Numbers 21-30 also are in a circle a bit to the left of that, and it continues on in little circles, eventually forming a big circle when i reach 100.

the numbers 1-100 are a little circle on the pattern that makes the numbers 1-1000 and so on up and up. I have to zoom in to think of small numbers, and out to think of big numbers so i can see the whole scale.

 

[dr nick]

Infact EssJayW, you sound like you have a slight case of autism. Thats exactly what happens, they are frieks with adding up numbers and use number patterns to remember letter orders, and on the whole are also extremely immature.

 

[EssJayW]

Originally posted by nicko18
Infact EssJayW, you sound like you have a slight case of autism. Thats exactly what happens, they are frieks with adding up numbers and use number patterns to remember letter orders, and on the whole are also extremely immature.

So because I can add 2 numbers quickly, I am autistic. Because I can remember pages of text using mnemonics, I am autistic.

Now before you make judgements you should read the whole thread. DonFan brought up the subject of using mnemonics to remember a sequence of numbers. I just explained the logical progression from remembering 5 numbers to remembering any amount of numbers, text etc.

But was your point the autism part, or the freaks and immature part.

But if you are seriously interested here is a few links

http://www.psywww.com/mtsite/mnemeffc.html

http://brain.web-us.com/memory/hermann_ebbinghaus.htm

http://www.ktca.org/newtons/11/memory.html

 

[EssJayW]

Originally posted by nicko18
Apart from the last half which is absolute jibberish (remembering pages of text verbatim??)

Go and ask any Vic copper pre 1990 about remembering text verbatim.

The justifications for the use of firearms, was only about 3 pages long, which had to be remembered and written down, word perfect. Put an 'it' instead of an 'at' and you fail.

Then their was crap about warning shots ra ra ra. Which in total was about 5 pages which had to be written word perfect.

Throw in 457, 458, 459, 464, 464(a) Crimes Act plus God knows how many more other sections of this act. All had to be remembered and written word perfect. Not just a basic outline, but word perfect.

Using letters as memory triggers has been around longer than you and I.

Their are many people out there who actually use their memory to some of its capacity. Its all up there its just how you recall it.

 

[lenny&carl]

I had this discussion last night with my wife and my mother. When you think of numbers, do you envisage an ordered structure in your mind or are they everywhere? I have an ordered structure which helps in my recall of anything numeric. Its not a straight line but a weird 3 dimensional order.

SJW, God specifically invented AFL so that we'd think about footy, rather than risk damaging our brains by thinking about mathematical ontology. Just don't go there girlfriend, I'm talkin downtown!

 

[BomberGal]

Originally posted by mellowyellow
Im sure it means "What" in spanish.

Very much so, and I'm with you!

I have a pretty freakish memory most of the time, so I don't have trouble remembering numbers - dates, telephone nos., formulae, whatever. In fact, I sometimes remember them too easily, and people are sometimes worried at how I just know people's phone numbers (eg. guys) even when I've only known it for a day, or remember dates of what happened, say, this day three weeks ago, this day 5 months ago, this day a year ago, etc. I don't use mnemonics to do it, I think I'm just lucky with a good memory.

As for when I'm recalling numbers, I 'hear' them in my head.

 

[Syd]

Originally posted by BomberGal
As for when I'm recalling numbers, I 'hear' them in my head.

I "hear" things in my head too, but they ain't numbers!