News NWM stays at Saints (Will Faulkner wrong about being crows bound)

[all seeing eye]

We're not bouncing. Some of those that have this opinion are going to be in a world of hurt next year when reality slaps you in the face.

At this stage Id be happy with just being competitive, playing a consistent solid game style, where we dont fluctuate in performance game to game or qtr to qtr. We may not have the group to bounce back and finish high, but this higher level of week to week competitive performance should be possible with a half decent gameplan and proper coaches.

 

[Coobk001]

At this stage Id be happy with just being competitive, playing a consistent solid game style, where we dont fluctuate in performance game to game or qtr to qtr. We may not have the group to bounce back and finish high, but this higher level of week to week competitive performance should be possible with a half decent gameplan and proper coaches.

This is the problem. We've sold our future, and look set to go all in balls deep on NAS. If we're not in the game of premierships and the 'now' then we've completely ballsed up.

Reality is you are right though and we will be no better than competitive, and that means we have completely ballsed up, because we wont be a contender for many years on the back of all this and thats what we exist for.

Until the club acknowledges their approach has failed and we need to rebuild and shake up this mediocrity propagating group, then I cant see myself finding belief.

 

[all seeing eye]

This is the problem. We've sold our future, and look set to go all in balls deep on NAS. If we're not in the game of premierships and the 'now' then we've completely ballsed up.

Reality is you are right though and we will be no better than competitive, and that means we have completely ballsed up, because we wont be a contender for many years on the back of all this and thats what we exist for.

Until the club acknowledges their approach has failed and we need to rebuild and shake up this mediocrity propagating group, then I cant see myself finding belief.

I have mixed feelings about the draft capital we have spent and what where going to pay for Nas and like you part of me thinks we need to drop back , keep the draft capital and rebuild on a longer term basis.. However Im not as pesimistic with list and can see a couple of different shorter rebuild paths either with or without Nas. The path forward is delicately balanced and needs things to fall our way. If we get nga access to Cochrane that will be key , 2027 is then the year, to load up, so not all doom and gloom.

 

[Port 2004]

We're not bouncing. Some of those that have this opinion are going to be in a world of hurt next year when reality slaps you in the face.

I think we will. In fact I am confident. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Tibbs]

No flag, but the Lockett and Loewe days were a joy to watch.

This bloke (and his team) went ok!

 

[Port 2004]

The list has talent, but this year would have conducted a full mental disintegration on them that's going to take Carr more than one offseason to fix, if he's even capable of fixing it at all.

If Carr gets decent assistance and we get rid of Graham and bring in decent strength and conditioning we can bounce back quickly. As you rightly point out the talent is there. Currently missing some real quality also getting games this year into some of the young players will also help for next year. I am bullish for the first time in many years.

 

[davesnothere]

So what number will he be next year? #10? Or do you kick Marshall out of #4?

Boaks 10 is the obvious but 11 from Finlayson is probably available if they want to rest 10 for a year or two.

 

[davesnothere]

You have Rozee, JHF and Butters as your core regardless of trades etc. Most teams would kill for that. Wouldn't take much (and don't say Nas!) for Port to turn form around.

We’ve got Kids we need to get games into.

Ramm and Whitlock along with Dougie Cochrane before we go anywhere.

We will take a step back to make that happen.

 

[PJ Power]

I’m as frustrated as anyone with us giving up first round draft picks, but then you watch Jones and Sinn going around, and you realise we’ve wasted a few of them too.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Slightly off topic but when we get Nasiah, we will have a great midfield and I would prefer Carr spending or working out his stuff in the backline rather than the forward line.

We will have so many good players kicking into the forward line that they don't need to be world beaters but a great defence wins flags.

 

[Brian McGee]

And neither do you.

Correct. That’s why I don’t act like a ****wit when people post a different opinion to me.

 

[PJ Power]

Slightly off topic but when we get Nasiah, we will have a great midfield and I would prefer Carr spending or working out his stuff in the backline rather than the forward line.

We will have so many good players kicking into the forward line that they don't need to be world beaters but a great defence wins flags.

If Carr’s been paying attention to the Magpies performances, he will appreciate how good Ramm and Lai can become. Investing in them early in their careers will go a long way to consolidating a solid and reliable, if not exceptional longterm defensive structure. Bring on Walsh who has unique but raw attributes and find a couple of Darcy Willmott and Starcevich types, and the fundamental flaws in our defence can be fixed. We do need players who have some capacity for good 1 v 1 defending under all types of offensive onslaught not just rely on group defence which often fails us.


The forward line must find goal kicking, quick thinking and moving small forwards. Even if Berry makes it as a high HF, we need at least one other mercurial small forward who breathes, sleeps and eats goals. Maybe young Cochrane can help. But we need another.

 

[MrChow]

The list has talent, but this year would have conducted a full mental disintegration on them that's going to take Carr more than one offseason to fix, if he's even capable of fixing it at all.

Nah that’s bollocks. This year marks the final cleaning out of all the old Port leaders that developed and played in years of loser sides. Love Boak, but he and Dixon, Westhoff, Hartlett and so on these guys never stood up in the big moments in finals (Robbie Gray excused). They developed in a side that was flogged each week, they learned to be losers.

Butters, Rozee, Bergman and so on, have played in more winning games than losing ones, and also have finals experience. It’s pretty good for a young leadership group.

Josh Carr couldn’t have a better start to a career as head coach list wise. Most first year coaches start with a list in bad shape (like Ken), unless your a Northern academy, or Geelong (with years of father-son draft capital and cheap farms as bonuses to incoming trades).

There will be a new lease for life next year. This year was brutal with injuries/health. We will be back fit and healthy with a long pre-season, and hopefully with ‘Nasiah the Messiah.’

 

[TeeKray]

If Carr’s been paying attention to the Magpies performances, he will appreciate how good Ramm and Lai can become. Investing in them early in their careers will go a long way to consolidating a solid and reliable, if not exceptional longterm defensive structure.

I haven't seen his SANFL performances but Lai looked great in the pre season games. Probably a higher ceiling than Jones and Sinn but they're seemingly pot committed with those two and they get picked every week regardless of form.

The more you think about it the more you realise how much work needs to be done to get this team back to being a finalist. I hope Carr realises this and is willing to give young players an opportunity. Hinkley basically bemoaning having too many young players in the team yesterday (the huge total of 4 players under 22) says it all. We've neglected development for a long time and it's all finally catching up to Hinkley right at the end.

 

[PJ Power]

I haven't seen his SANFL performances but Lai looked great in the pre season games. Probably a higher ceiling than Jones and Sinn but they're seemingly pot committed with those two and they get picked every week regardless of form.

The more you think about it the more you realise how much work needs to be done to get this team back to being a finalist. I hope Carr realises this and is willing to give young players an opportunity. Hinkley basically bemoaning having too many young players in the team yesterday (the huge total of 4 players under 22) says it all. We've neglected development for a long time and it's all finally catching up to Hinkley right at the end.

Especially, when three of the newest players were among our brightest sparks: Whitlock, Liddy and Moraes. Look at the last three goals we kicked and Moraes and Liddy featured in all of them.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

If Carr’s been paying attention to the Magpies performances, he will appreciate how good Ramm and Lai can become. Investing in them early in their careers will go a long way to consolidating a solid and reliable, if not exceptional longterm defensive structure. Bring on Walsh who has unique but raw attributes and find a couple of Darcy Willmott and Starcevich types, and the fundamental flaws in our defence can be fixed. We do need players who have some capacity for good 1 v 1 defending under all types of offensive onslaught not just rely on group defence which often fails us.

I kinda get the feeling that the defender who can't defend but can attack will hopefully be out with Car and we get some, as you've said, good 1 on 1 defending. Aliir will still play but probably won't be in the plans for the next premiership tilt which leaves the cupboard pretty bare. Esava played well so we will see if he can back it up next year.

Hopefully Carr can right the ships of Lachie Jones and Josh Sinn but I am happy to check out Ramm and Lai as they definitely have AFL traits.

We just need to nail the backline. I would love a great marking 3rd tall so we aren't tempted to take out Bergman from the midfield when a forward is dominating the game.

The forward line must find goal kicking, quick thinking and moving small forwards. Even if Berry makes it as a high HF, we need at least one other mercurial small forward who breathes, sleeps and eats goals. Maybe young Cochrane can help. But we need another.

Just a medium and small guy who likes to kick goals. These players are hard to find. You either have it or you don't.

 

[PowerLil]

If Carr’s been paying attention to the Magpies performances, he will appreciate how good Ramm and Lai can become. Investing in them early in their careers will go a long way to consolidating a solid and reliable, if not exceptional longterm defensive structure. Bring on Walsh who has unique but raw attributes and find a couple of Darcy Willmott and Starcevich types, and the fundamental flaws in our defence can be fixed. We do need players who have some capacity for good 1 v 1 defending under all types of offensive onslaught not just rely on group defence which often fails us.


The forward line must find goal kicking, quick thinking and moving small forwards. Even if Berry makes it as a high HF, we need at least one other mercurial small forward who breathes, sleeps and eats goals. Maybe young Cochrane can help. But we need another.

If you can't see the potential in Lai and Ramm, you're both blind and stupid. Lai was excellent yesterday and Ramm (apart from one fumbled mark which resulted in a goal) was brilliant too and kept McBean goalless. We have loads of potential hamstrung by Hinkley's total ineptitude. I'd love to have NWM but am wary of selling the farm, Whitlock especially.

 

[Wargreymon90]

PSD is a threat. Not because I think we’ll get him for free. We won’t. West coast will.

But if we offered two firsts + Whitlock/berry, they may reject it for most of the trade period. But would they rather get nothing for their best player or take that deal (which is still pretty significant)? Similarly to the Dunkley to Brisbane deal, I think it is reluctantly accepted.

 

[Duck Farmer]

You have Rozee, JHF and Butters as your core regardless of trades etc. Most teams would kill for that. Wouldn't take much (and don't say Nas!) for Port to turn form around.

Rozee's distracted solving Adelaide's population problem, JHF still sleeps in his Kanga's guernsey, and Butters is leaving for St Kilda at the end of next year.

You should give us Nas out of sympathy.

 

[ahneadearut]

PSD is a threat. Not because I think we’ll get him for free. We won’t. West coast will.

But if we offered two firsts + Whitlock/berry, they may reject it for most of the trade period. But would they rather get nothing for their best player or take that deal (which is still pretty significant)? Similarly to the Dunkley to Brisbane deal, I think it is reluctantly accepted.

I am not doing that deal. Whitlock in this years draft is top 10. 2 firsts or 1 first + Whitlock and I am not even sure I would be giving up Whitty

 

[PJ Power]

Don’t trade Whitlock. Georgiades + Whitlock is the way forward up forward.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I am not doing that deal. Whitlock in this years draft is top 10. 2 firsts or 1 first + Whitlock and I am not even sure I would be giving up Whitty

if we can get a deal without losing him sure. But it’s more important that we get NWM over the line. It’s the biggest ever signing

 

[Papa G]

2 firsts. 1 of them future. Chuck in Sinn if need be.

 

[JUSTWORK]

2 firsts. 1 of them future. Chuck in Sinn if need be.

Two firsts and Lord

 

[davesnothere]

PSD is a threat. Not because I think we’ll get him for free. We won’t. West coast will.

But if we offered two firsts + Whitlock/berry, they may reject it for most of the trade period. But would they rather get nothing for their best player or take that deal (which is still pretty significant)? Similarly to the Dunkley to Brisbane deal, I think it is reluctantly accepted.

West Coast will not sign off on a 2 million dollars plus contact for one year on a player that hasn't done a medical and they haven't interviewed.

Nobody will.