News NWM stays at Saints (Will Faulkner wrong about being crows bound)

[stavro#4]

Honest question, how do saints fans feel about offering 1.7m per year to TDK and seemingly offering less (albeit still quite a bit) to NWM?

Yeah interesting question.

I think some supporters react directly to news and those that do haven’t taken it well.

There are a fair few supporters however who understand that we are getting an A grade ruck who suits our age demographic better than Marshall.

The cost to land him is overs. But it now makes Marshall a trade chip - Marshall asked if he could be traded to Geelong last year. We could facilitate that now.

So $1.7m for TDK +. First rounder for Marshall looks okay and is more accepting.

 

[SureBuddy]

Yeah interesting question.

I think some supporters react directly to news and those that do haven’t taken it well.

There are a fair few supporters however who understand that we are getting an A grade ruck who suits our age demographic better than Marshall.

The cost to land him is overs. But it now makes Marshall a trade chip - Marshall asked if he could be traded to Geelong last year. We could facilitate that now.

So $1.7m for TDK +. First rounder for Marshall looks okay and is more accepting.

Is TDK that much better? Marshall is a gun and offers so much around the ground.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Is TDK that much better? Marshall is a gun and offers so much around the ground.

Marshall will be 30 in November and TDK will be 26 in July. TDK has a higher ceiling at this point and is entering his prime. Blind freddy can see he has mentally checked out at Carlton. We are definitely paying more than he is worth at the moment, but all we are doing is paying cap which we have oodles of and if he was contracted to the Blues (and not a free agent), they would be demanding two firsts at least for him. The talk is from our ITKs is that Marshall is staying regardless (unless, I assume, we get an offer for a trade to good to refuse).

Our very reliable ITK says Nas is staying, which will likely be on a two year deal. Though who knows, he may decide to leave. I think you guys have a better chance of it in two years after he re-signs.

 

[Alberton Proud]

If he went to the crows it wouldn't be good. We.picked a good year to tread water so the coach could have his motorcade season.

 

[stavro#4]

Is TDK that much better? Marshall is a gun and offers so much around the ground.

I think they are as good as each other. With TDK having scope to be the best big man in the league.

The end is coming for Marshall. There might only be a couple of good years left for him.

As I said above - acquiring TDK is isolation isn’t a great look. But it’s the possibility of what it might mean for our list management with Marshall.

We have let a best 18 player leave in each of Ross’s 2 seasons since returning for FRPs.

It won’t be NWM leaving this offseason. Even if he wanted to for example, you just can’t get a deal done.

 

[JUSTWORK]

It won’t be NWM leaving this offseason. Even if he wanted to for example, you just can’t get a deal done.

You do realise he’s out of contract?

If he wants to leave, he’s leaving. The only question is how good a deal St Kilda can secure.

 

[stavro#4]

You do realise he’s out of contract?

If he wants to leave, he’s leaving. The only question is how good a deal St Kilda can secure.

Well aware.

He doesn’t end up at port via the draft and we won’t just take anything but a good fair offer.

You don’t own your first pick this year.

And respectfully Joe Berry and your 2026 first isn’t exactly some great deal.

 

[JimmyBC]

And respectfully Joe Berry and your 2026 first isn’t exactly some great deal.

I can't imagine anyone with a brain came up with that offer.

 

[stavro#4]

I can't imagine anyone with a brain came up with that offer.

Joe Berry was the kid we offered our 2025 first rounder to clubs last year to draft.

But keen to hear what you think gets the deal done now Bergman isn’t the centre piece of one.

Purely hypothetical. I’m very confident he is staying.

 

[JimmyBC]

Joe Berry was the kid we offered our 2025 first rounder to clubs last year to draft.

But keen to hear what you think gets the deal done now Bergman isn’t the centre piece of one.

Purely hypothetical. I’m very confident he is staying.

I think he's staying put however the problem you have is if he does wanna come to Port and rules out Adelaide (which seems likely) you are pretty much lumbered with an uninspiring deal from your end.

 

[stavro#4]

I think he's staying put however the problem you have is if he does wanna come to Port and rules out Adelaide (which seems likely) you are pretty much lumbered with an uninspiring deal from your end.

Which is why he will sign that 2 year extension and you’ll be told you have 2 years to get your assets in order.

That will be the time a deal can be genuinely done. There isn’t a genuine scenario we eat shit on this deal.

Reading prior examples, it isn’t Bailey smith who was coming off a reco and had some image issues.

It’s not like Ball or Nick Stevens.

North the eagles Richmond won’t pass on him and if they do, why would we?

You guys won’t be putting up a Rozee or Butters etc.

You don’t have a first rounder pick. You re-signed your best asset in a potential deal.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Which is why he will sign that 2 year extension and you’ll be told you have 2 years to get your assets in order.

That will be the time a deal can be genuinely done. There isn’t a genuine scenario we eat shit on this deal.

Reading prior examples, it isn’t Bailey smith who was coming off a reco and had some image issues.

It’s not like Ball or Nick Stevens.

North the eagles Richmond won’t pass on him and if they do, why would we?

You guys won’t be putting up a Rozee or Butters etc.

You don’t have a first rounder pick. You re-signed your best asset in a potential deal.

We’ll probably be granted approval to trade two future firsts. That will be the crux of any deal I suspect.

 

[stavro#4]

We’ll probably be granted approval to trade two future firsts. That will be the crux of any deal I suspect.

And if we turn around demanding they are first rounders in this draft equivalent to what you got for Houston? (From memory I believe that’s what you did hence not trading with North)

 

[JUSTWORK]

And if we turn around demanding they are first rounders in this draft equivalent to what you got for Houston? (From memory I believe that’s what you did hence not trading with North)

Then a third club involved

 

[Brian McGee]

And if we turn around demanding they are first rounders in this draft equivalent to what you got for Houston? (From memory I believe that’s what you did hence not trading with North)

First rounders in this draft will be easy to get a hold of utilising future assets. No one cares about being in this draft. And it’s certainly not setting the bar very high if it’s the equivalent of what we got for Houston. I would expect he is worth double that. As Houston was.

 

[stavro#4]

Then a third club involved

Fair enough.

I genuinely can’t see how this gets done. If Melbourne can turn around wanting 3 first rounders for Pickett - I think that’s what we will ask for and we will want picks in this draft.

You are going to be dealing with SOS who will be an exhausting C U next Tuesday

 

[stavro#4]

First rounders in this draft will be easy to get a hold of utilising future assets. No one cares about being in this draft. And it’s certainly not setting the bar very high if it’s the equivalent of what we got for Houston. I would expect he is worth double that. As Houston was.

Did you not get a first rounder and a player for Houston?

So 2 firsts and 2 players for Nas ?

 

[Wargreymon90]

And if we turn around demanding they are first rounders in this draft equivalent to what you got for Houston? (From memory I believe that’s what you did hence not trading with North)

It’s a shit draft so you won’t demand that. And two future first is better than what we got for Houston

 

[Brian McGee]

Did you not get a first rounder and a player for Houston?

So 2 firsts and 2 players for Nas ?

Yep. 2 firsts and a 2 players that were drafted as late picks and have played less than 10 games. I would be ok with that.

 

[stavro#4]

It’s a shit draft so you won’t demand that. And two future first is better than what we got for Houston

The issues with future firsts are that they aren’t as valuable.

You are going to be expected to spike retaining all your gun players and adding our best player

 

[Brian McGee]

Seriously though if 2 future firsts, next year and the year after get it done it’s a no brainer from our perspective. Not sure it will or we would be allowed to do it from an afl perspective.

It’s all academic until he makes a call though.

 

[aussierulesrules]

With the greatest of due respect, do you guys realise how little value a 2027 first rounder is going to have to anyone at all?

Not only is it way off into the future (and as such a player you get with it might not be ready to impact your team for 5-6 years), but it’s also the draft when Tassie come in, and will monopolise the first round.

So they’ll have loads of picks, and then there will be FA compo picks, father-sons, and academy picks, pushing picks further back, so your 2027 first could easily be pick 30. Maybe even later.

At the trade table, no-one is going to consider it a legitimate first rounder.

It will be viewed as having the value of a distant second rounder.

 

[Brian McGee]

With the greatest of due respect, do you guys realise how little value a 2027 first rounder is going to have to anyone at all?

Not only is it way off into the future (and as such a player you get with it might not be ready to impact your team for 5-6 years), but it’s also the draft when Tassie come in, and will monopolise the first round.

So they’ll have loads of picks, and then there will be FA compo picks, father-sons, and academy picks, pushing picks further back, so your 2027 first could easily be pick 30. Maybe even later.

At the trade table, no-one is going to consider it a legitimate first rounder.

It will be viewed as having the value of a distant second rounder.

Not sure this is the case. With the advent of trading 2 years in advance it’s just another asset that can be used however you want to use it. And there is no way it blows out further than early 20’s, and that’s if we go deep in to finals. It could be a top 10 pick based on the same logic.

 

[davesnothere]

Which is why he will sign that 2 year extension and you’ll be told you have 2 years to get your assets in order.

That will be the time a deal can be genuinely done. There isn’t a genuine scenario we eat shit on this deal.

Reading prior examples, it isn’t Bailey smith who was coming off a reco and had some image issues.

It’s not like Ball or Nick Stevens.

North the eagles Richmond won’t pass on him and if they do, why would we?

You guys won’t be putting up a Rozee or Butters etc.

You don’t have a first rounder pick. You re-signed your best asset in a potential deal.

Mental health and stress issues being forced back to a club he has already quit and informed at the end of 12 months he will be quitting again.


That simply will not happen.

It won’t come to that but if it did the players association and the AFL will ensure Saints are not picking him.

 

[Young Gun #6]

With the greatest of due respect, do you guys realise how little value a 2027 first rounder is going to have to anyone at all?

Not only is it way off into the future (and as such a player you get with it might not be ready to impact your team for 5-6 years), but it’s also the draft when Tassie come in, and will monopolise the first round.

So they’ll have loads of picks, and then there will be FA compo picks, father-sons, and academy picks, pushing picks further back, so your 2027 first could easily be pick 30. Maybe even later.

At the trade table, no-one is going to consider it a legitimate first rounder.

It will be viewed as having the value of a distant second rounder.

Is it confirmed Tassie will be in for 2027 Draft.

I thought the last report was with the election coming Tassie may not even go ahead and if it does it won’t be until 2028.

That would be make 2027 and any year before they come in actually more valuable than ever tbh.