News NWM stays at Saints (Will Faulkner wrong about being crows bound)

[Revan11]

RTB sounded pretty positive at the end of the presser today re Nas. It was the last question asked.

Cheers Cobb

 

[Enviable Tradition]

RTB sounded pretty positive at the end of the presser today re Nas. It was the last question asked.

Geez your really clutching at straws to call that positive.

 

[240volt]

Ross has to find something positive after a loss even if it’s bs.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I want NWM obviously but I'd be very wary about giving up Whitlock unless we're not giving much else up.

Who won the Judd trade?

I just don't think you trade away blue chip key forwards unless you're getting an absolute bargain.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I'd much prefer to trade ollie or drew than whitlock. Its about building a list for the next flag. St kilda lack miss.

 

[philthy05]

I want NWM obviously but I'd be very wary about giving up Whitlock unless we're not giving much else up.

Who won the Judd trade?

I just don't think you trade away blue chip key forwards unless you're getting an absolute bargain.

Yep.

When has a team ever rushed to trade us a promising young player for a wantaway player much less a kpf?

Burgs , Polec , Houston , wingard , Howard impey…

A total return of Burton (having hawks medicos write his body off) and Richards for that lot.

The idea we need to give up a promising young player cause that’s what you do to bring in talent is totally disconnected with reality.

manoeuvre draft picks and fringe players and offer what we can for and ooc player

That is reality. That is what every other team does to us.

Of course our afl approved sycophants don’t run this club to win, they run it to be commercially viable for the afl. Don’t rock the boat and know your place etc.

 

[philthy05]

I'd much prefer to trade ollie or drew than whitlock. Its about building a list for the next flag. St kilda lack miss.

Yep.


We’ve got tradable players who should have interest for saints as sweeteners.

I’ve mentioned them today.

Lorenz moraes as young prospects. Lord as a young kpf. Failing them there’s established first 22 footballers in drew and jones.

This is on top of draft picks we have to trade.

 

[Donuts_]

The idea we need to give up a promising young player cause that’s what you do to bring in talent is totally disconnected with reality.

It's strange how many here have fallen for this mentality.

Collingwood showed how it can be done with the Houston trade. There's no reason we can't be on the other end with NWM.

Trade Whitlock or No Deal is a false dichotomy that should be ridiculed by this board.

Instead I see a lot of

 

[SureBuddy]

Yep.


We’ve got tradable players who should have interest for saints as sweeteners.

I’ve mentioned them today.

Lorenz moraes as young prospects. Lord as a young kpf. Failing them there’s established first 22 footballers in drew and jones.

This is on top of draft picks we have to trade.

Yes I am sure Saints want our duds for a current top 10 player in the comp lol.

Everyone of the players you just listed would attract a 3rd or 4th rounder at best, however more than likely delisted some of them.

You are not going to get NWM without giving up something of value.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

Yes I am sure Saints want our duds for a current top 10 player in the comp lol.

Everyone of the players you just listed would attract a 3rd or 4th rounder at best, however more than likely delisted some of them.

You are not going to get NWM without giving up something of value.

So what? Port should just cater to whatever St Kilda demands and that's that?

 

[SureBuddy]

So what? Port should just cater to whatever St Kilda demands and that's that?

Huh? He’s a star. We will have to trade some value for him. It’s as simple as that. I swear we have some of the biggest bedwetters on this forum. He is unreal, he will be our 2nd best, if not best player next year. Who gives two shits if we give up a young unproven KPF along with some good picks.
How many games of his have you actually watched?

Comments on here like, “he’s flakey”, “he’s just a HBF’er” are just unreal. He is 22 and taking the comp by storm. You do not get an opportunity like this often, if ever. We have got it twice with JHF and now NWM. Also getting him most certainly helps keep Butters, that is almost the most important factor in this whole scenario.

 

[philthy05]

Yes I am sure Saints want our duds for a current top 10 player in the comp lol.

Everyone of the players you just listed would attract a 3rd or 4th rounder at best, however more than likely delisted some of them.

You are not going to get NWM without giving up something of value.

This is gonna be a laugh.

I mentioned a bunch of players we’ve lost that have been poached by other teams.

Polec , burgs , Howard , impey , wingard and Houston.

Name the players of value we got in return.

I’ll wait…

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

Huh? He’s a star. We will have to trade some value for him. It’s as simple as that. I swear we have some of the biggest bedwetters on this forum. He is unreal, he will be our 2nd best, if not best player next year. Who gives two shits if we give up a young unproven KPF along with some good picks.
How many games of his have you actually watched?

Comments on here like, “he’s flakey”, “he’s just a HBF’er” are just unreal. He is 22 and taking the comp by storm.

If St Kilda suggested to Port give us Butters, 2026 1st rounder, Joe Berry, Jack Whitlock for NWM, you'll be okay for that to happen? After all, Port are "giving up something" to get something.

 

[SureBuddy]

This is gonna be a laugh.

I mentioned a bunch of players we’ve lost that have been poached by other teams.

Polec , burgs , Howard , impey , wingard and Houston.

Name the players of value we got in return.

I’ll wait…

Not one of those players are even remotely close to the level of NWM lol. Like not even in the same stratosphere haha.
Wingard when traded was not the same Wingard as the first few years. NWM is 6 years younger than Houston, so don’t compare them either.
Howard, Impey and Polec, now I know you are trolling and have zero clue.

On a side note, I wonder if there is a way to see how many thumbs down reacts you have given a particular user. I reckon I would have the record against philthy05.

 

[SureBuddy]

If St Kilda suggested to Port give us Butters, 2026 1st rounder, Joe Berry, Jack Whitlock for NWM, you'll be okay for that to happen? After all, Port are "giving up something" to get something.

You okay dude?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Everyone said we'd have to give up a talented player for JHF as well, remember all the bedwetting about how we'd have to "bleed".

Nope. Don't trade away blue chip KPFs. Other players I don't care as much about but we've had a hard enough time getting 1 AFL standard KPF, don't trade away talented ones unless you're getting an offer you can't refuse.

 

[philthy05]

Not one of those players are even remotely close to the level of NWM lol. Like not even in the same stratosphere haha.
Wingard when traded was not the same Wingard as the first few years. NWM is 6 years younger than Houston, so don’t compare them either.
Howard, Impey and Polec, now I know you are trolling and have zero clue.

Your argument isn’t nwm is better than other players , it’s that we have to give up a quality young player to get quality.


Name the quality players we got in return for the poached players we lost I mentioned.

 

[SureBuddy]

Your argument isn’t nwm is better than other players , it’s that we have to give up a quality young player to get quality.


Name the quality players we got in return for the poached players we lost I mentioned.

We are looking to give up a quality young player because we don’t have the draft capital to get NWM. It’s as simple as that. We don’t have a first rounder this year don’t forget and next years alone will not get the job done. Whitlock actually playing a great game today does wonders for this potential trade option. If we can somehow convince the Saints that Whitlock and next years first is close, that would be unreal.

Also NWM being a much better player than everyone you listed is very very relevant to this conversation.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

You okay dude?

Are you okay? Key Forwards don't grow on trees. You want to keep persisting with Lord and Finlayson next year? Keep giving games to them in the hopes they will take their chances? Are you gonna suggest Port will get Cochrane and Pilot in the following years and therefore Whitlock can be used as trade bait? Or are you gonna suggest Port can find a DFA and fill the gap until then those two develop?

Look at what happened this season. It is extremely evident that Lord and Finlayson aren't consistent enough nor good enough to stay in the team despite being in the system for 5 and 11 years respectively. Whitlock goes and Port are back to square one in tall forward depth.

 

[rainwizard39]

Dogs had to fold last year with Bailey Smith

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. Saints aren’t going to let him go for nothing. We’re not trading from a position of weakness. If we lose out on NWM if it went PSD, we don’t actually lose anything. It’s Saints that lose a top 10 player for nothing. Keep Whitlock and force Saints to take another offer.

 

[Addy23]

I agree Butters is the better player - he’s the closest thing I have seen to a footballing genius - but NAS is very good, is a few years younger, and if we think we are going to lose Butters anyway I think it’s worth discussing

Don't think Butters is as nailed on to leave as some think here

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

We are looking to give up a quality young player because we don’t have the draft capital to get NWM. It’s as simple as that. We don’t have a first rounder this year don’t forget and next years alone will not get the job done.

Last time I checked, Collingwood weren't in a position to acquire Houston and look what happened and what they gave up in the end for a contracted player? No first rounders, fringe player and pick swaps and Houston was shipped off to Collingwood.

Then look at what Geelong gave up to acquire Bailey Smith who was OOC.

 

[Adz2332]

where did the whitlock talk start?

 

[Doctor Feel]

where did the whitlock talk start?

C4

 

[longdonkey]

In an ideal world we would not be using Whitlock in the deal. If he wants to go home then we have the option of dealing him to St Kilda or another club. If we are giving him to St Kilda as steak knives and they still want 2 first round picks as well. Then they can f*** off.

Its all about whether he wants to go or stay , same as NWM as soon as he says he wants to come home and nominates a club his trade value goes down.