O/T: Does Brogan's delayed arrest set a bad example?

[just maybe]

I have to say, given Brogan was reported for assault, allowing him to catch the plane, play the game and return to Adelaide smacks of one rule for the general public, and another for celebrities.

How often will the police let a member of the general public go about their business to their satisfaction before arresting them? They won't.

This kind of double rule is unacceptable and Brogan should have been stopped from taking his flight and detained like any other person. AFL stars deserve no different treatment for criminal offenses, yet they often get it.

A sad indictment on our justice system.

 

[Alex99]

I have to say, given Brogan was reported for assault, allowing him to catch the plane, play the game and return to Adelaide smacks of one rule for the general public, and another for celebrities.

How often will the police let a member of the general public go about their business to their satisfaction before arresting them? They won't.

This kind of double rule is unacceptable and Brogan should have been stopped from taking his flight and detained like any other person. AFL stars deserve no different treatment for criminal offenses, yet they often get it.

A sad indictment on our justice system.

Because some yahoo insinuated he was king hit by Dean Brogan means the police should apprehend and arrest him right there on the spot? I have no problem with how the SA police force handled this.

Innocent until proven guilty and it’s not like Dean Brogan is going to disappear into the night. FFS

Get over it.

 

[- PC -]

This is a great subject for the SC&P board

The role of celebrity in police matters

 

[crazy_big_al]

what purpose does this thread have?

 

[*PAF]

I have to say, given Brogan was reported for assault, allowing him to catch the plane, play the game and return to Adelaide smacks of one rule for the general public, and another for celebrities.

How often will the police let a member of the general public go about their business to their satisfaction before arresting them? They won't.

This kind of double rule is unacceptable and Brogan should have been stopped from taking his flight and detained like any other person. AFL stars deserve no different treatment for criminal offenses, yet they often get it.

A sad indictment on our justice system.

Very good question.

Well done, you are the worthy winner of this week's BF Imodium award.

 

[Mad Dog]

I have to say, given Brogan was reported for assault, allowing him to catch the plane, play the game and return to Adelaide smacks of one rule for the general public, and another for celebrities.

How often will the police let a member of the general public go about their business to their satisfaction before arresting them? They won't.

This kind of double rule is unacceptable and Brogan should have been stopped from taking his flight and detained like any other person. AFL stars deserve no different treatment for criminal offenses, yet they often get it.

A sad indictment on our justice system.

Please tell me you're not that naive....

The police make assessments on these matters all the time with all members of the public regardless of noteriety. Nothing to be gained by hauling him off to the Divvy van in cuffs ..... an assessment was made on....

• whether a formal complaint would be made....(not known at the time of plane departure).....
• the seriousness of the alleged (and at that time) unreported offense.....
• the likelihood of the subject absconding and/or not being able to be interviewed later.....
• danger to the public in terms of reoffending....

All of these matters are different in each instance.

What took place was normal - and says nothing about the judicial system....

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Give it a rest JM. This should be posted on the Crows board. Errr hang on is there a Crows board anymore or has it now officially merged in with the Port board.

 

[Crowked]

My understanding is that Brogan was actually already in the air before Police arrived, and so it made it pretty hard for him to be detained. I suppose he could have been collected at the Melbourne airport by the Victorian police and sent home, but in all reality, he was never going to flee and was always going to return to face the music in due course. The risk taken by the authorities in not pursuing an ammediate arrest was very small and inconsequential IMO.

In most cases involving the general public, no body would have known who he was and so wouldnt have known where he was going. Possibly never even finding him, never mind detaining him. I can recall an incident I witnessed at the casino where a guy was assaulted and the person fled immediately and was never found. I doubt many bystanders would make an attempt to make some kind of citizens arrest when the bloke is a freaking giant either, as I didnt in the casino assault I mentioned. You just dont know what might happen if you do. I can recall another incident near the Hungry Jacks carpark at the end of the mall when a guy went to the aid of a man being bashed only to be bashed himself and spend quite a while getting over his injuries. The reality is he was lucky he didnt get killed or permenantly disabled in the very vicious assault. As far as I know, the perpetrators were never caught.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

As far as the question goes no his arrest doesn't set a bad exmplae for all the reasons already stated.

If I take my biased glasses off for a second Brogan doesn't deserve to be hung out to dry for the "Dale incident". A slap on the wrist should suffice. However, the fact he is already up on an assult charge opens up a whole new can of worms. If he is found guilty for that incident the Dale affair takes on a whole different dimension and he could face possible de-registering.

 

[noddy]

My understanding is that Brogan was actually already in the air before Police arrived, and so it made it pretty hard for him to be detained. .

No excuse Crowked as they could have ordered the Mirage's up to escort the plane back to Adelaide where a full regiment of SAS could have been waiting to pounce should Brogan make an attempt to escape.

Really though the more we talk about this twerp receiving a blood nose the more he will be getting his rocks off.

Time to put this episode behind us & move on.

 

[just maybe]

Because some yahoo insinuated he was king hit by Dean Brogan means the police should apprehend and arrest him right there on the spot? I have no problem with how the SA police force handled this.

Innocent until proven guilty and it’s not like Dean Brogan is going to disappear into the night. FFS

Get over it.

Are you a dribbling idiot? Do you think people are never arrested on a charge before they are found guilty?

Funny way of running a justice system you have...

 

[noddy]

As far as the question goes no his arrest doesn't set a bad exmplae for all the reasons already stated.

If I take my biased glasses off for a second Brogan doesn't deserve to be hung out to dry for the "Dale incident". A slap on the wrist should suffice. However, the fact he is already up on an assult charge opens up a whole new can of worms. If he is found guilty for that incident the Dale affair takes on a whole different dimension and he could face possible de-registering.

I know i just said "time to move on" but what the heck is this all about ??

 

[Crowked]

No excuse Crowked as they could have ordered the Mirage's up to escort the plane back to Adelaide where a full regiment of SAS could have been waiting to pounce should Brogan make an attempt to escape.

hahahaha

 

[just maybe]

Please tell me you're not that naive....

Nope, but celebrities should not be treated any differently to member of the general public.

The police make assessments on these matters all the time with all members of the public regardless of noteriety. Nothing to be gained by hauling him off to the Divvy van in cuffs ..... an assessment was made on....

Nope, he should have been taken in for questioning straight away, as any other member of the general public would have been. Not just wait around while he does what he likes.

[*]whether a formal complaint would be made....(not known at the time of plane departure).....

Yes, it was known.

[*]the seriousness of the alleged (and at that time) unreported offense.....

Assault is a minor indictable offence. Very serious.

[*]the likelihood of the subject absconding and/or not being able to be interviewed later.....

Low.

[*]danger to the public in terms of reoffending....

High, it seems.

All of these matters are different in each instance.

What took place was normal - and says nothing about the judicial system....

It was not normal. If it had been a member of the general public, they would not have been allowed to do as they liked and confront the police at their own leisure.

 

[GoSarge]

No excuse Crowked as they could have ordered the Mirage's up to escort the plane back to Adelaide where a full regiment of SAS could have been waiting to pounce should Brogan make an attempt to escape.

Gold !

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I know i just said "time to move on" but what the heck is this all about ??

He already has a charge pending for "allegedly" assaulting a guy who was walking his dog. It happened in October last year, the case hasn't been heard yet.

 

[Alex99]

Are you a dribbling idiot? Do you think people are never arrested on a charge before they are found guilty?

Funny way of running a justice system you have...

So you are right (like always) and the South Australian and Victorian police who let him go are wrong.


There is a thing called an extradition agreement between the sates in Australia that allowed interstate police to arrest a person who has committed a crime and then return him to the place where this crime was committed.

If you’re so right on this issue and the SA police force didn’t do there job. Maybe you should go to today tonight or A Current Affair and demand they make enough noise on this issue that an inquiry into the corrupt police force in South Australia is warranted.

You’re a ****ing idiot, go away .

 

[*PAF]

No excuse Crowked as they could have ordered the Mirage's up to escort the plane back to Adelaide where a full regiment of SAS could have been waiting to pounce should Brogan make an attempt to escape.
...

Finally some sense.

 

[portentous]

I didn't think that police had decided whether to lay charges or not anyway. It's being handled as it should be IMO.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I didn't think that police had decided whether to lay charges or not anyway. It's being handled as it should be IMO.

I'm taking bets this thread will not last 5 more posts before its closed.

 

[portentous]

I'm taking bets this thread will not last 5 more posts before its closed.

What odds are you taking on just maybe being banned/suspended soon? If anythings "delayed" it's that.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The SA Police show common sense in dealing with the issue, and sure enough someone has to complain. All they were doing was collecting statements, not charging him. The Police response can be found in this article.

A police spokesman said yesterday there was no issue with Brogan catching the flight because they "knew who the alleged offender was, they had to obtain statements and he was obviously going to come back".

If you're that worked up about it, here are the details for the Police Complaints Authority.

POLICE COMPLAINTS AUTHORITY
(For complaints against Police)
50 Grenfell St Adelaide 5000
Ph: (08) 8226 8677
Fax (08) 8226 8674

They even have a website.

 

[just maybe]

So you are right (like always) and the South Australian and Victorian police who let him go are wrong.


There is a thing called an extradition agreement between the sates in Australia that allowed interstate police to arrest a person who has committed a crime and then return him to the place where this crime was committed.

If you’re so right on this issue and the SA police force didn’t do there job. Maybe you should go to today tonight or A Current Affair and demand they make enough noise on this issue that an inquiry into the corrupt police force in South Australia is warranted.

You’re a ****ing idiot, go away .

Aw, diddums, you a little bit narky because I pointed out how ridiculously stupid your comment was?

And yes, I do think the police were wrong - it is a double standard being displayed. Especially considering Brogan had a charge pending.

But I don't care enough to do something about it - merely a discussion point.

Maybe you should think before posting something as laughable as 'they wouldn't arrest him until he's been proven guilty' next time.

 

[just maybe]

this article.

Yep, if it was a member of the general public they wouldn't be allowed to do what they want like that.

I bet if this was Biglands you'd be foaming at the mouth!

 

[Mad Dog]

Nope, but celebrities should not be treated any differently to member of the general public.



Nope, he should have been taken in for questioning straight away, as any other member of the general public would have been. Not just wait around while he does what he likes.



Yes, it was known.



Assault is a minor indictable offence. Very serious.



Low.



High, it seems.



It was not normal. If it had been a member of the general public, they would not have been allowed to do as they liked and confront the police at their own leisure.

and this is where your argument collapses - and is the basis of everyone else's point in this thread except yours.

The fact that he is a public figure gave the police confidence that he could be interviewed later....and therefore there was nothing to be served by dragging him off and locked up.