Official Cameron White Thread

[ViperV10]

I am a Vic, no White shouldn't be in yet. Still has at least 3 years to go before he would be up to test standard...just needs more control and to learn to flight the ball and get it to drop, not bowl it flat and fast like he is at the moment. That is ok for an arm ball, or flipper, but not for all bowls.

Interesting figures re MacGill...wouldn't have actually picked those figures...it does seem as though he can hold his own against all teams except the spin loving Indians. Maybe we have been clouded a bit by their ability against spin...even Warne has a bad average against them.

 

[bluechampion]

no fun.

You take all the fun out of the endless debate with this 'definitive' thread...

No. Not yet.

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by ViperV10
Interesting figures re MacGill...wouldn't have actually picked those figures...it does seem as though he can hold his own against all teams except the spin loving Indians.

Hmm, what a revelation.

White last test series: No.

 

[billy big ears]

NO HOPE! He's not from NSW!

 

[LFC]

Take him on a couple of OS tours, then see where he is at before the next summer series.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by ViperV10

Interesting figures re MacGill...wouldn't have actually picked those figures...it does seem as though he can hold his own against all teams except the spin loving Indians. Maybe we have been clouded a bit by their ability against spin...even Warne has a bad average against them.

THANK YOU!
You just made my day!

 

[marcuz]

You can't say warne wouldnt have bowled well against the indians here. That is just an opinion and a guess.

As for white he is in no way ready for test cricket. The kid needs time to develop.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

What seems to have been forgotten here is that last time Warne played against India his shoulder was pretty much gone and he could barely bowl correctly.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Cupido13
Please, if you want to have a MacGill is great/not great debate, don't do it here. I am happy to have one word answers with no justification, I am just interested as to everyone's opinion.

I don't think it was intended - but the moment you mention his name the only member of the Stuart MacGill fan club (Masey) in the entire world seems to pop up.

 

[Cupido13]

That was on the tour where he had the Merv Mo and the shaved head and he was bowling round arm at the end of his 50 over in 1 innings. It may have been the Laxman Dravid follow on game.

 

[Mickey]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
I don't think it was intended - but the moment you mention his name the only member of the Stuart MacGill fan club (Masey) in the entire world seems to pop up.

Yeah sorry, I started it so I wont mention the tossers name again. The stats he put up still doesn't mean he's a great bowler - and he's not. Anyway, back to Cam White............

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by Mickey
Yeah sorry, I started it so I wont mention the tossers name again. The stats he put up still doesn't mean he's a great bowler - and he's not. Anyway, back to Cam White............

Well if you get a last word, I can too - you're wrong. I would have though his achievements up until this series would be enough to excuse a below par performance against India. Warne has always been afforded the same whenever we've played them.

 

[marcuz]

Warne has had a legitimate excuse in his injuries. MacGill is at his peak and healthy.

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by marcuz
Warne has had a legitimate excuse in his injuries. MacGill is at his peak and healthy.

Players never use injuries as an excuse. If you play you play.

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by CatManDo
Players never use injuries as an excuse. If you play you play.

I don't think warney ever did use it as an excuse...but i am

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by marcuz
I don't think warney ever did use it as an excuse...but i am

I've got two reasons to support MacGill too:

He had to bowl on roads for most of this series.

India's batting line-up has never, ever, been this strong.

Warne has unflattering figures against India. Whether you feel the need to defend him by saying he wasnt fully fit or not still leaves the obvious conclusion - that India are brilliant players of spin. MacGill has just found this out too.

We praise Warney for his brilliant efforts against other nations, yet make small mutters when India come around. Should we not do the same for MacGill?

 

[marcuz]

India are great players of spin i agree with you. And we have been harsh on MacGill i agree with that to.

All im saying we haven't and never will get to see the best leg spinner the game has seen IMO go head to head with the indians at his best. We have seen macGill at his best go head to head with them and it wasnt good. kumble was the series leading wicket taker and he did well on these "roads".

Warnes record against india was blown out due to the fact his shoulder was screwed and on the other occasion his finger was stuffed. the two worst injuries a spinner can get.

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by marcuz
All im saying we haven't and never will get to see the best leg spinner the game has seen IMO go head to head with the indians at his best.

Who knows, hopefully we might still get to see it.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by marcuz
You can't say warne wouldnt have bowled well against the indians here. That is just an opinion and a guess.

A educated guess based on his past appearances.

He has played 11 matches, and I cannot recall in any of those where he destroyed in Indians. They always play him and any other spinner in the world very very well.

A team full of the way Katich plays spin, and you get the general idea ....

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by marcuz
Warne has had a legitimate excuse in his injuries. MacGill is at his peak and healthy.

His excuse is that for all 11 matches he has played against them (bowled in 22 innings then?), and still achieved a career average of 55 odd against them.

I dont think so. Try again.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by CatManDo
Who knows, hopefully we might still get to see it.

I doubt it.

I think the biggest problem with everyone is that they remember Warne the champion that he WAS at his peak.

After his injuries, he hasn't even been close to the same bowler. (IMO)

I will agree Warne at his peak was a much better bowler than MacGill.

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by TheMase
I doubt it.

I think the biggest problem with everyone is that they remember Warne the champion that he WAS at his peak.

After his injuries, he hasn't even been close to the same bowler. (IMO)

I will agree Warne at his peak was a much better bowler than MacGill.

When Warne was back to full fitness before his brain explosion, some said he was bowling as well as ever, didnt they?

Theres no reason why he couldnt get back there, once he's back in the groove.

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by CatManDo
When Warne was back to full fitness before his brain explosion, some said he was bowling as well as ever, didnt they?

Theres no reason why he couldnt get back there, once he's back in the groove.

He has pretty much admitted that there is a couple of deliveries that he just can't bowl anymore due to the injuries on his shoulder. The flipper bieng one of them.

He may bowl as well but his bag of tricks has been reduced. And it is a shame as the flipper was lethel.

 

[anduril]

Cam White in the Test Side?

In a word: No

 

[pazza]

Not quite yet.

I'd have him ready to come in say the 2005/6 season.