Official Cameron White Thread

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

His bowling is not comparable to Symonds'.

White is a batsman who can bowl occasionally. About as useful as Damien Martyn was in that respect. Unless he stops refusing to change his action, it will go nowhere. He needs to slow down and flight the ball up more, and he might actually get spin. Bowling flat toppies does nothing useful.

In terms of batting, he is not Test material (well not yet anyway). He is a slogger, he plays across the line and relies on his eye too much, playing balls on the rise which is a dangerous proposition.

 

[Coin_Toss]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

What's wrong with his batting - not much, he's an awesome No.7, goes hard and clean. He will improve while he gets more experience.

What's wrong with his bowling - he doesn't spin the ball and he struggles to mix his pace. But I like his wrong 'un.

He's a good fieldsman. He could fit to the slip corden, has good reflexes and clean hands, and doesn't fumble many either from what I've seen.

He captained Victoria at a young age - 20 in fact - so that goes to show he is a mature young man. I've no doubt he will improve and should be a very good player for Australia, however, he has some work to do to break into the Test team.

 

[dan warna]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

His bowling is not comparable to Symonds'.

White is a batsman who can bowl occasionally. About as useful as Damien Martyn was in that respect. Unless he stops refusing to change his action, it will go nowhere. He needs to slow down and flight the ball up more, and he might actually get spin. Bowling flat toppies does nothing useful.

In terms of batting, he is not Test material (well not yet anyway). He is a slogger, he plays across the line and relies on his eye too much, playing balls on the rise which is a dangerous proposition.

concur that he is deficient in bowling but he is far superior to martyn, over 100 FC wickets and not just tail enders, a quick list of his wickets shows he has defeated a fair number of talented batsmen.

he tends to use himself as a shock bowler for short spells rather than a stock bowler capable of tying down an end for long periods.

either that or a lot of talented batsman are grossly overrated looking down at his victims.

concur that his batting needs work, as for beinga pure slogger, he has shown time and time again that he is capable of crafting an innings, and he can bat under pressure, but I would say he is very vulnerable early in his innings.

 

[betterthanu]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

good one day player but symonds is a better bowler so he should prob work on his action

 

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

concur that he is deficient in bowling but he is far superior to martyn, over 100 FC wickets and not just tail enders, a quick list of his wickets shows he has defeated a fair number of talented batsmen.

But I'd contend that he has gone backwards with his bowling and that his first-class stats are declining.

concur that his batting needs work, as for beinga pure slogger, he has shown time and time again that he is capable of crafting an innings, and he can bat under pressure, but I would say he is very vulnerable early in his innings.

I'm not sure he has shown that time and time again, he barely averages 30 in Australian first-class cricket.

 

[dan warna]

OK, I thought about it, and checked the figures. He got out to the guy who has taken the 6 wickets in the ODI series so far ( 3 matches, SR 27, easily best of the Englishman ). Anderson isn't a bad bowler, and by the end of the test series he was looking much better than how he started and has taken that form into the ODI series.

Could White have handled it better? In hindsight, of course he could, but you can say that about any batsman and the ball he gets out on. It looked to be on his legs and he tried to turn it away for 1 or 2, then it swung back late and he got trapped. I dare say in a first class match, he might have played it more defensively, but in an ODI, it was a reasonable decision.

the ball swung a long way, it was a fair shot to play, but its a bit hard to play for that kind of swing from teh angle he was coming in from.

 

[piro*]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

cant bowl

 

[Blues_Man]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

strengths :
Good slogger at the death ...like others have said , ideal for number 7 batting first. not really reliable to bring home the side in a tight run chase.

great fielder

young ..plenty of time to develop .

defficiencies .

His top spinners are too easy for batsmen to get on top of ...his bowling at this stage is just not up to International standard .

lets hope he develops his bowling as i see him as a long term prospect in the Aussie one day side .

 

[dan warna]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

But I'd contend that he has gone backwards with his bowling and that his first-class stats are declining.

I'm not sure he has shown that time and time again, he barely averages 30 in Australian first-class cricket.

I would say his bowling hasn't improved but its pretty much where it was when he started his career.

I am pretty sure his last two seasons of FC cricket he averaged 40 and 50ish respectively.

his started his FC career at 18 or so, and his batting avreage for the first 4 season was about 22 or 23.

I think S.Waughs batting average at test level for the first 4 years of his international career was under 30 (not saying that white has proven anything like s.waugh has), and pup clarkes FC batting average was low 30s when he got his test selection (again not saying that White is the batsman clarke is at the moment)

his recent form has been more substantial and his innings crafting has been quite good in FC level.

 

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

I would say his bowling hasn't improved but its pretty much where it was when he started his career.

I am pretty sure his last two seasons of FC cricket he averaged 40 and 50ish respectively.

No. Last Pura Cup season he averaged 29 or 30 with 2x50, 31 the season before.

I think S.Waughs batting average at test level for the first 4 years of his international career was under 30 (not saying that white has proven anything like s.waugh has), and pup clarkes FC batting average was low 30s when he got his test selection (again not saying that White is the batsman clarke is at the moment)

Wrong on both counts. Waugh was there as a genuine bowler as well, while Clarke was not low-30s, he was averaging 38-39.

his recent form has been more substantial and his innings crafting has been quite good in FC level.

He's had a couple of good knocks this season. He has, what 1 first class hundred this season? I'm not sure that's enough to make that statement.

 

[dan warna]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

Wrong on both counts. Waugh was there as a genuine bowler as well, while Clarke was not low-30s, he was averaging 38-39.

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SR Waughs average was on or below 30 for much of his early career till his break through series against the brits in 89/90 after his debut in 85/86 his bowling was also quite limited in this time, 12 test wickets in his first 10 tests doesn't really qualify as an all rounder, and 30 test wickets in his first 20 test matches is hardly impressive either. all rounder performance? not really.

(not knocking SR Waugh, but just pointing out he started VERY slowly in what was to become a magnificent career, pretty muched played on potential
http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype
http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

again not saying white is the next sr waugh, but basically waugh was carried on potential, as was one richie benaud for much of the early part of benauds career.

 

[footy_rulz]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

In 5 years he's gone from a leggy who can bat to a batsmen who can bowl.

 

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

SR Waughs average was on or below 30 for much of his early career till his break through series against the brits in 89/90 after his debut in 85/86 his bowling was also quite limited in this time, 12 test wickets in his first 10 tests doesn't really qualify as an all rounder, and 30 test wickets in his first 20 test matches is hardly impressive either. all rounder performance? not really.

(not knocking SR Waugh, but just pointing out he started VERY slowly in what was to become a magnificent career, pretty muched played on potential
http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype
http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

again not saying white is the next sr waugh, but basically waugh was carried on potential, as was one richie benaud for much of the early part of benauds career.

One thing you forget with Waugh is that Australian cricket was in dire straits at the time and we didn't have the depth to pick from that we have now.

There are better options than White, simply enough.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

his fielding is probably a fraction below that of symonds, punter and clarke, but not by much

ROFL

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

deficiencies:

- Slogger
- defensive technique nowhere near Test standard
- bowls ordinary straight breaks
- looks stupid
- is Victorian

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

In 5 years he's gone from a leggy who can bat to a batsmen who can bowl.

I dont know why anyone ever classified him as a leggie who can bat, even in the U/19s he was a batsman

 

[mbuck]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

defensive batting and bowling

 

[weevil]

Has done extremely well so far this series, has added a new dynamism to our batting. Obviously needs to develop his bowling further. But as one of 3 fifth bowler options he should be protected a little. In reality he usually is only going to chuck down 2–4 overs a game at the moment.

Like Hhouse it’ll be interesting to see if his bowling develops with prolonged exposure to the national team.

 

[piro*]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

bear scares kiwis

 

[NSWCROW]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

The first leggie i've seen who's really an offie

 

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

I dont know why anyone ever classified him as a leggie who can bat, even in the U/19s he was a batsman

Then why did he bat so far down the order and bowl a lot more in his early years?

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

Then why did he bat so far down the order and bowl a lot more in his early years?

Because we needed a spin bowler back then, he has fitted into Victorias needs at the time, of course if we had played him in his natural position he would have a decent career average now

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

The first leggie i've seen who's really an offie

Classic

 

[just maybe]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

Because we needed a spin bowler back then, he has fitted into Victorias needs at the time, of course if we had played him in his natural position he would have a decent career average now

Rubbish. If you're good enough, you'll have a good average, batting at 7. Look at Gilly.

Gives more opportunities for not-outs as well.

Simply, White was an abominable batsman and has only improved recently.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

Rubbish. If you're good enough, you'll have a good average, batting at 7. Look at Gilly.

Gives more opportunities for not-outs as well.

Simply, White was an abominable batsman and has only improved recently.