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[O_Grinners17]

Thanks. In adding I would state that I don't carry on at the opposition boards, I go there to get & give useful information, so I don't understand why a few folks (on all opposition boards) would bomb their own board with wind up posts. It's akin to crapping in your own loungeroom. If you want to have a crack at me personally, then by all means take it to the Bay. If it's somewhat original or humorous I might even reply. If you ever have a footy/North related question then fire away, I am happy to oblige. Thanks again, I'll recede in to the background now.

Yeah, what you were chatting about today wasn't bad at all, it was actually quite interesting to discuss. I haven't been around for that long on Bigfooty and ive probably missed stuff that's happened years ago but ive always thought unless someone is chatting shit don't bother having a meltdown

 

[Michaels]

Thanks. In adding I would state that I don't carry on at the opposition boards, I go there to get & give useful information, so I don't understand why a few folks (on all opposition boards) would bomb their own board with wind up posts. It's akin to crapping in your own loungeroom. If you want to have a crack at me personally, then by all means take it to the Bay. If it's somewhat original or humorous I might even reply. If you ever have a footy/North related question then fire away, I am happy to oblige. Thanks again, I'll recede in to the background now.

No need to get into the background mate, the discussion you guys were having yesterday was great.

It was more our fault as a board for not having a proper thread to have it in, but this one has now been created.

so carry on the discussion as you were.

 

[mopsy]

It’s not about torching posters.

I just think Larkey and McKays lack of AFL experience will be detrimental to North in 2019 if they choose to play both at key position.

Sure some players step right up, but key position players who do so are few and far between. There’s a big difference in keeping VFL players quiet vs Tom Hawkins or Josh Kennedy.

Same deal with Larkey. He could end up your next Sam Lloyd and kick a few goals this year. Or he could be your Liam McBean and just not have the traits to get there.

For both I’m sure they will be given the time to give it their best shot.

Why is that Richo its not as if they will be asked to be #1 at either end.

Up fwd NM will play Brown 200/101 26yr/99gms and Wood 190cm/90kg 25yr/39gms they will also have Daw if he gets back from injury this yr.
Larkey is what 21 this yr and didnt he kick the most goals in the vfl last yr seems to me he is ready.

Down back Tarrant 196/97 29/126 and Thompson 193/96 32yr/222gms to my way of thinking now is the time to be getting games into younger blokes at each end of the ground for them we should be doing something similar.

At both ends they have mature players who take the bulk of the workload and the youngsters are guided thru games as third tall types capable of playing on kpp's if need be, either way they have experienced blokes around them leading the way.

Like us north have experienced kpps and like us have promising talls ready to take the next step their young talls are probably more ready than ours having in general been in the system longer.

We will be crazy if we are not getting games into in particular Moore, Balta and Garthwaite this yr.

 

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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...tiger-template-this-year-20190226-p510a8.html

How Essendon will follow the Tiger template this year

By Jake Niall
February 26, 2019 — 12.08pm

If Essendon play deep into September this year, ending an embarrassing 15-year period in which the Dons have not won a final, one of the parties responsible will be the Richmond Football Club.
In 2019, Essendon will have a different game style to the one that saw them finish 11th last year, recovering from the dismal first eight rounds to finish with a flourish, creating great expectations that the club, no longer lumbered with the legacy of a drug scandal, could contend for the flag.

Touch of the Tigers: Essendon will look to improve their defence via the Richmond method in 2019.Creditigitally altered image
Within Tullamarine, the view was that while they had performed far better from round nine, winning 10 of the last 14, the three teams that beat Essendon in the final 14 games were telling: Richmond (twice), Collingwood and Hawthorn.
Those teams, as the Bombers knew, shared one obvious trait: each of them had been well-drilled and rehearsed in a method for team defence, a system that covered for the deficiencies of individuals.

This year, the coach who held the team defence portfolio at Tigerland, Ben Rutten, has changed his stripe from yellow to red. Over summer, Rutten has been teaching and drilling the Essendon players - that's all of them, not simply defenders - in a method that will borrow significantly from the successful Tiger template.
Essendon, despite the recovery from 2-6, did not defend terribly well in 2018. The Dons finished 11th on the points against ladder. Even though they improved after round eight (a period, coincidentally or not, that coincided with the ruthless removal of Mark Neeld from the coaching panel), they remained only average in team defence - the points against improved from 83.5 per game to 76 (ninth over the 14 rounds).

Those who have watched Essendon train over summer have noticed the sudden prevalence of Richmond-like defensive drills. No team defends better than the Tigers, who rely less on winning the ball at the source and are nonpareil at maintaining their "shape'' defensively.
The best way to understand Richmond's team defence - which drives their offence, too - is to think of it as an insurance policy: if they win the ball, they can take off, but they will have protective measures in place in the event of a turnover.


If they are beaten to the ball, the insurance policy is in place to win it back. This often means guarding space in the corridor - a drill that the Dons have been seen rehearsing, at Rutten's direction.
The hallmarks of a Richmond defensive method are as follows: they play a zone, in which players guard both an opponent and space. They are versed in defending the kick down the line (which the Bombers also have been practising). And they use their speed and sheer intent to create turnovers in their forward half of the ground, where the buzzing likes of Jason Castagna and Dan Butler - neither destined for the Hall of Fame - have been valuable role players.
Essendon do not have the same personnel as the Tigers, so their game style will differ accordingly. Overall, both teams have speed - a key component to Richmond's forward pressure - but the Tigers probably have a greater depth of endurance runners.
Hitherto, Essendon have kicked the ball often and spread the ball across the field - a method evident in the Dons' high mark tallies. By spreading the field, however, they have left themselves open too often when the ball is turned over. The team that wins the ball back from Essendon does not find there is as much "density'' - coach-speak for a crowd - as Richmond, Collingwood or Hawthorn would afford them.


The well-informed observers at club level expect this trait to change, and for the formerly ballistic Bombers to exercise greater caution with the ball, as they develop a Rutten-led insurance policy.
But the key to whether the Dons have successfully emulated Richmond won't simply be Rutten's teaching capacity. It will be the intent of the players. This means that if, say, Jake Stringer doesn't chase and follow the system for closing down space, his position in the team must be in jeopardy.
John Worsfold has long been a coach who emphasises player management, relationships with players and staff and culture, rather than drilling the players in a particular method - the technical detail which, increasingly, is left in the hands of a club's sharp assistant coaches, such as Rutten.
Damien Hardwick salvaged his career and won the feted, long-awaited flag by changing his method, delegating to new coaches in Justin Leppitsch and Blake Caracella (plus Rutten) and focusing on relationships. Collingwood's Nathan Buckley, while falling a kick short of the grail, followed a remarkably similar script, learning to delegate and allowing his defensive coordinator, Justin Longmuir, to drive the game style change that held up in the face of injuries.


Lest we forget, too, that Hardwick, a nasty former Essendon back pocket, was giving the Tigers back some of the DNA that they donated to the Essendon Football Club in 1980, when another rugged back pocket called Kevin Sheedy walked in the door.
While Rutten doesn't represent a Sheedy-like revolution at Essendon, once again, there will be a touch of yellow splashed in with the red and black this year.

 

[mopsy]

I have thought for a few yrs now that personell wise they have been very similar to us especially fwd with the likes of tipingwuti spelling, Fantasia and now Smith. Daniher is their riewoldt Stringer their Caddy they will probably play another tall with the changes this yr.

 

[tony__montana]

At the end of the day you can copy systems but it still comes down to individual players having good decision making about when to go and when to stay - you cant train that over 1 preseason, takes multiple preseasons to refine and hone.

and most importantly - not all systems suit all clubs - the biggest reason we won a flag is bc we built a system based on our list strengths - thank God we binned the hawthorn blueprint(attacking wise) we tried to emulate for several years (13/14/15/16). The defensive structures havent changed too much, weve always been pretty good in that department, now we just have the leg speed and repeat sprint ability up front to be best in breed at it

 

[mopsy]

At the end of the day you can copy systems but it still comes down to individual players having good decision making about when to go and when to stay - you cant train that over 1 preseason, takes multiple preseasons to refine and hone.

and most importantly - not all systems suit all clubs - the biggest reason we won a flag is bc we built a system based on our list strengths - thank God we binned the hawthorn blueprint(attacking wise) we tried to emulate for several years (13/14/15/16). The defensive structures havent changed too much, weve always been pretty good in that department, now we just have the leg speed and repeat sprint ability up front to be best in breed at it

Two things TM.
We totally changed the way we play in one off season. The changes as said by the club was sort of forced on us because of a lack of talls and injury to them.

 

[tony__montana]

Two things TM.
We totally changed the way we play in one off season. The changes as said by the club was sort of forced on us because of a lack of talls and injury to them.

Not totally mopsy. A lot of our defensive structures and setups behind the ball were formulated back in 2013, of course theyve been refined over the years but the basics and fundamentals were there. The biggest change is the leg speed we've added which allowed us to go from corralling to charging like a bull at the ball carrier to increase pressure.

Offensively, 100% we have changed totally

 

[Tiger Toffee]

7If the pies want to equal last year then they are going to need to score against the better teams of which they play more often in 2019 than they did in 2018.

In 2018 the pies scored 79 and under 10 times during the home and away season, average ladder position of those 10 teams was 7.2 for a win loss record of 3-7, those 3 wins were against Carlton 18th, Essendon 11th and Fremantle 14th, the 7 losses by scoring under 79 were against teams who made the eight.

When they scored above 80 of which they did 12 times in the home and away season, 11 were against teams who missed the finals. They went 12-0 for this.
How they made the GF is beyond me, one of the if not the most luckiest GF appearance ever IMO

If they go with Cox and DeGoey as their main men again they will miss finals due to their inability to score against the better teams.

average ladder position of their twice games going into 2018 was 11.4, in 2019 it will be 6.4.

Lets see if they can back up against harder sides.

As for the bombers, how on gods green earth do these losers get talked up every year as flag contenders, no higher than 7th since 2002 and yet are going to win flags and the media drool over them, tigers had one horrible year after 3 finals in a row and we needed a clean out, rebuild, coach change, etc etc etc and were going nowhere near finals for the foreseeable future yet these clowns are going to win flags.

 

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[JR82]

I see Essendon are still shit, perhaps the media will lay off the hype...

 

[GN272]

Blooze board pretty happy with their win against the Bummers …. JLT1

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Blooze board pretty happy with their win against the Bummers …. JLT1

Their on a roll!

 

[HTT]

Not totally mopsy. A lot of our defensive structures and setups behind the ball were formulated back in 2013, of course theyve been refined over the years but the basics and fundamentals were there. The biggest change is the leg speed we've added which allowed us to go from corralling to charging like a bull at the ball carrier to increase pressure.

Offensively, 100% we have changed totally

We’ve changed a fair bit defensively. In the backline there’s probably not much that’s changed but the way we approach defenders is far different. They talk in the Konrad Marshall book about changing from playing on a long pitch (intercepting it in the backline) to playing on a short pitch (intercepting as close to goal as possible). This in turn aids offends as we don’t have to carry the ball as far. Clearly, a lot of structures closer to goal have changed to allow this - mainly boosting forward pressure. An easy way to see this is by looking at the change from corralling to tackling, and applying physical pressure where possible.
Perhaps many of the specific structures have stayed the same but the mindset has switched and it’s made us a vastly different defensive team.