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Given that we don't know this weeks results yet, this post is purely speculative.
If we miss out on Palmer/ Masten, which other speedy midfielders with size should Phil Smart be looking closely at?:confused:
 
There arnt any speedy midfielders that will go in the top 10. That includes Palmer and Masten. Both have ok pace but not AFL quick.

Ebert is one to keep an eye on but he's a flanker/utility type at this stage and he's not AFL quick
 
Bateman said:
Given that we don't know this weeks results yet, this post is purely speculative.
If we miss out on Palmer/ Masten, which other speedy midfielders with size should Phil Smart be looking closely at?:confused:
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First off all, speedy midfielders with size should not be the criteria, because Cale Morton fits that description but he isn't the type we should be after.

The criteria should be speedy midfielders who can get the ball and do something with it. Height is a nice optional, but if they are only 179/180cm (Ie Masten or Palmer) but can play big time, then who cares about height.

Based upon that Ebert and Rioli should be up there in first rounds.

Other than that, outside of the first round,: (I am continually throwing his name in as a late draft pick, but in case you didn't know)

Dennis Armfield. http://www.swandistrictsfc.com/darmfield.html

184 cm, speedy centreman, been amongst the best at Swan Seniors may times over the last two years. Key points:

  • Tackles really well (Ex-rugby player) and probably is the standout part of his game.
  • Goal kicker.
 

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Fingers crossed Carlton defeat Melbourne this week... then we would have picks 6, 24, 40, 56 based on current laddert positions. If Melbourne win that game, then we our first pick is #7, but the rest stay the same. Assuming Carlton out-tank Melbourne, the draft order will go:

1. Carlton
2. Richmond
3. Carlton
4. Melbourne
5. Bulldogs
6. Essendon
7. Fremantle

Carlton will take Kreuzer; and the Dogs will most likely take a tall (Henderson / McEvoy / Rance).

Richmond are (apparently) trying to entice Mitch Morton over to them - I wonder if their intention is to select Cale Morton at #2?? [Or perhaps they are just saying , "well both your brothers will be in Melbourne after November, so you may as well be here too..."]

If that were the case - that Richmond wants Cale Morton, that would leave Carlton to take Cotchin - as the supposed "highest ranked midfielder" at #3.

So that leaves:

Melbourne (pick 4)
Essendon (pick 6)
Freo (pick 7)

to choose between some other very highly rated midfielders...

Masten, Palmer, Ebert... one of them will surely fall to us if we have pick 7. If not, Rioli will be there for sure. The Phantom Draft has the top 10 like this:

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Ebert
5. Masten
6. Palmer
7. Henderson
8. Rance
9. Rioli
10. Grimes


Then when our next pick rolls around guys like Selwood and Veszpremi will most likely be gone, but with a pick at around #24 there should still be some quality midfielders there if the Phanton Draft is any indication...
Levi Greenwood (181cm / 90kg Port Magpies)
Pat McGinnity (182cm / 76kg Claremont)
Patrick Dangerfield (188cm / 80kg Geelong Falcons)
Stephen Browne (181cm / 74kg West Perth)


I reckon if we can get one of Masten / Palmer / Rioli / Ebert + one of Greenwood / McGinnity / Dangerfield / Browne... then the midfield will start to look okay.


I'm feeling it - Palmer and McGinnity will be ours... ;) :thumbsu: :)
 
ImperialPurple said:
Fingers crossed Carlton defeat Melbourne this week... then we would have picks 6, 24, 40, 56 based on current laddert positions. If Melbourne win that game, then we our first pick is #7, but the rest stay the same. Assuming Carlton out-tank Melbourne, the draft order will go:

1. Carlton
2. Richmond
3. Carlton
4. Melbourne
5. Bulldogs
6. Essendon
7. Fremantle

Carlton will take Kreuzer; and the Dogs will most likely take a tall (Henderson / McEvoy / Rance).

Richmond are (apparently) trying to entice Mitch Morton over to them - I wonder if their intention is to select Cale Morton at #2?? [Or perhaps they are just saying , "well both your brothers will be in Melbourne after November, so you may as well be here too..."]

If that were the case - that Richmond wants Cale Morton, that would leave Carlton to take Cotchin - as the supposed "highest ranked midfielder" at #3.

So that leaves:

Melbourne (pick 4)
Essendon (pick 6)
Freo (pick 7)

to choose between some other very highly rated midfielders...

Masten, Palmer, Ebert... one of them will surely fall to us if we have pick 7. If not, Rioli will be there for sure. The Phantom Draft has the top 10 like this:

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Ebert
5. Masten
6. Palmer
7. Henderson
8. Rance
9. Rioli
10. Grimes


Then when our next pick rolls around guys like Selwood and Veszpremi will most likely be gone, but with a pick at around #24 there should still be some quality midfielders there if the Phanton Draft is any indication...
Levi Greenwood (181cm / 90kg Port Magpies)
Pat McGinnity (182cm / 76kg Claremont)
Patrick Dangerfield (188cm / 80kg Geelong Falcons)
Stephen Browne (181cm / 74kg West Perth)


I reckon if we can get one of Masten / Palmer / Rioli / Ebert + one of Greenwood / McGinnity / Dangerfield / Browne... then the midfield will start to look okay.


I'm feeling it - Palmer and McGinnity will be ours... ;) :thumbsu: :)
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If we can trade murphy to WB for Pick 5 Plus there second rounder for our pick 7 then palmer would certainly be ours.

Then we'd have pick 22 with our 24 even better !!
 
wehavethepassion said:
If we can trade murphy to WB for Pick 5 Plus there second rounder for our pick 7 then palmer would certainly be ours.

Then we'd have pick 22 with our 24 even better !!
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I like the sound of that....

Murph + pick 7 for Picks 5 and 22. :thumbsu:

Bulldogs will still get their tall with #7 + they'll have Murphy.

We'll be guaranteed either Palmer or Masten + we'll get an extra second rounder in the early 20s.

Jeebus - I'd sign off on that right now!!! :thumbsu:

Picks 5, 22, 24, 39... I'm excited! ;)

I pick:

5. Palmer
22. McGinnity
24. Greenwood
39. Taylor

All set for 2008...
 
ImperialPurple said:
I like the sound of that....

Murph + pick 7 for Picks 5 and 22. :thumbsu:

Bulldogs will still get their tall with #7 + they'll have Murphy.

We'll be guaranteed either Palmer or Masten + we'll get an extra second rounder in the early 20s.

Jeebus - I'd sign off on that right now!!! :thumbsu:

Picks 5, 22, 24, 39... I'm excited! ;)
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So do I.
where has the phantom draft got Dalziell & Armfield (agree with ysay Arnfield looks the real real) going and to whom?
 
I'd like to see us pick up Stephan Browne.

I played some juniors with him, he was a good leader and from memory didn't have a bad boot either.
 
I always worry if we draft too many 18 yr olds surely there must be at least one WAFL player 21-24 that is ready to go has been in good form over the last few yrs.

I read a story in the WORST a few months ago that mentioned at least 5 players in the above age group that should be given strong consideration.

I'd like to see a WAFL player drafted onto the main list not as a mature age rookie which requires a long term injury to get promoted.

We do need a back up ruckman he is a name - Michael Griffiths from EF
been playing well - 24 yrs old 100kg and 200 cm - 4th rounder maybe??
 

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Easts are going to be hurting next year if we have our way with them. Wowoedin called it a day, Foster becoming a senior at freo, Palmer or Masten to us (the other being drafted too) and now we want their ruckman.
:D

Is Browne any relation to Andrew?
 
ImperialPurple said:
Fingers crossed Carlton defeat Melbourne this week... then we would have picks 6, 24, 40, 56 based on current laddert positions. If Melbourne win that game, then we our first pick is #7, but the rest stay the same. Assuming Carlton out-tank Melbourne, the draft order will go:

1. Carlton
2. Richmond
3. Carlton
4. Melbourne
5. Bulldogs
6. Essendon
7. Fremantle

Carlton will take Kreuzer; and the Dogs will most likely take a tall (Henderson / McEvoy / Rance).

Richmond are (apparently) trying to entice Mitch Morton over to them - I wonder if their intention is to select Cale Morton at #2?? [Or perhaps they are just saying , "well both your brothers will be in Melbourne after November, so you may as well be here too..."]

If that were the case - that Richmond wants Cale Morton, that would leave Carlton to take Cotchin - as the supposed "highest ranked midfielder" at #3.

So that leaves:

Melbourne (pick 4)
Essendon (pick 6)
Freo (pick 7)

to choose between some other very highly rated midfielders...

Masten, Palmer, Ebert... one of them will surely fall to us if we have pick 7. If not, Rioli will be there for sure. The Phantom Draft has the top 10 like this:

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Ebert
5. Masten
6. Palmer
7. Henderson
8. Rance
9. Rioli
10. Grimes


Then when our next pick rolls around guys like Selwood and Veszpremi will most likely be gone, but with a pick at around #24 there should still be some quality midfielders there if the Phanton Draft is any indication...
Levi Greenwood (181cm / 90kg Port Magpies)
Pat McGinnity (182cm / 76kg Claremont)
Patrick Dangerfield (188cm / 80kg Geelong Falcons)
Stephen Browne (181cm / 74kg West Perth)


I reckon if we can get one of Masten / Palmer / Rioli / Ebert + one of Greenwood / McGinnity / Dangerfield / Browne... then the midfield will start to look okay.


I'm feeling it - Palmer and McGinnity will be ours... ;) :thumbsu: :)
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thanks for the informative post. I seem to always hear Masten & Palmer talked about in the same sentence, just wondering if one is rated above the other?

if both were available with our first selection who would you pick? and why?
 
dogeatdog said:
I seem to always hear Masten & Palmer talked about in the same sentence, just wondering if one is rated above the other?

if both were available with our first selection who would you pick? and why?
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I'm no expert but I'd be leaning towards Palmer. From what I've seen he seems to be more of a breakaway goalkicking midfielder, while Masten is more of an in and under, first hands on the ball and feed it out kinda player.

I'd be very happy with either though. Many say it was Masten making Palmer look so good at the U18's by constantly feeding him the ball from all the stoppages.

Earlier in the season I'd say Masten would've been the higher rated of the two, but Palmer seems to have taken his game to another level since his confidence boosting U18 carnival. If we can somehow engineer a deal to get both of them I'll be ecstatic.
 
wehavethepassion said:
I always worry if we draft too many 18 yr olds surely there must be at least one WAFL player 21-24 that is ready to go has been in good form over the last few yrs.

I read a story in the WORST a few months ago that mentioned at least 5 players in the above age group that should be given strong consideration.

I'd like to see a WAFL player drafted onto the main list not as a mature age rookie which requires a long term injury to get promoted.

We do need a back up ruckman he is a name - Michael Griffiths from EF
been playing well - 24 yrs old 100kg and 200 cm - 4th rounder maybe??
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I suppose that's where someone like Armfield would fit in. He'll be 21 in December - already been around playing WAFL league for a few years. A bit like Foster who turned 22 last week - already used to playing against the bigger bodies, but still with development and upside there.


Griffiths has been brought up a few times... hasn't he been with another club? Can we rookie him as a "mature aged" rookie, or would we have to take him onto the main list if we were wanted him?
 
estibador said:
I'm no expert but I'd be leaning towards Palmer. From what I've seen he seems to be more of a breakaway goalkicking midfielder, while Masten is more of an in and under, first hands on the ball and feed it out kinda player.

I'd be very happy with either though. Many say it was Masten making Palmer look so good at the U18's by constantly feeding him the ball from all the stoppages.

Earlier in the season I'd say Masten would've been the higher rated of the two, but Palmer seems to have taken his game to another level since his confidence boosting U18 carnival. If we can somehow engineer a deal to get both of them I'll be ecstatic.
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Geez - wouldn't you just love to get both of them.... :eek:

*sigh*
 

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dogeatdog said:
thanks for the informative post. I seem to always hear Masten & Palmer talked about in the same sentence, just wondering if one is rated above the other?

if both were available with our first selection who would you pick? and why?
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Cheers - but it's all just speculation on my part really...


I think Masten was always the one rated to go top 5 - with the talk on the Drafts & Trading board before the carnival that Palmer would probably go first round, but much later - or even early second round. That's all changed I guess with Palmer's recent performances...

I guess if we were assured of say McGinnity or Vezspremi who, from what I've read, are more "extractors", then Palmer would be the one as he is more the finisher by all accounts (although he does win his own footy as well). But if our second pick was going to land us more of a finisher then Masten would be the one.

However, I think if we get either we're doing okay. If we managed to get both then we're laughing... ;)
 
dogeatdog said:
I seem to always hear Masten & Palmer talked about in the same sentence, just wondering if one is rated above the other?

if both were available with our first selection who would you pick? and why?
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For me it would be Masten.

He has a real competitive streak, has shown more leadership qualities than Palmer as a junior (given the nod as WA captain), and is of a slightly bigger build.

Palmer is probably more of a matchwinner/gamebreaker (as shown by his recent eyecatching performances) but I just get the feeling that Masten is the safer bet to become a consistent AFL contributor.

Palmer could very well turn out to be a better, and more damaging player but Masten will be a midfield workhorse who will win a lot of the ball for the likes of Ibbotson, Foster, Peake, Schammer and Co for years to come.

Sadly, I think he will be gone be we get a look in.
 
I have gone back and forward between Masten and Palmer.

I think Palmer is an exiting player, a real dasher, probably (as poster said elsewhere) a bit of a knob, but very similar to Daniel Kerr and Justin Sherman in a heap of ways. Like these players he front runs a little bit, but as comentators keep adding, he isnt afraid to win his own ball or tackle when it is turn. He isn't afraid to kick a goal. He isn't a rare commodity, but in terms of what we need, he fits the bill almost to a tee for mine.

Masten on the other hand, strikes me as one of these once in a decade zippy extractors in the mold of Crawford or Cousins. What concerns me is that you don't see him streaming away from packs. Even watching that footage of him passing off the goals to Palmer makes me worry a little bit; If he was at Freo, who is capable of kicking those on the run goals? Why can't he lead by example and kick them himself? But then I think of Cousins (shudders) who started off as a fairly quite midfielder but nowadays kicks a ton of goals himself, or Marc Murphy who quickly developed into a gun. As Weaver said, some clubs try to get clever around draft time, but this guy is a quality pick and should not be underestimated. A once in a decade player.

FWIW I reckon Masten will get picked up 3 or 4 just because he is a rare commodity. Palmer might fall to us.
 
will the recruiters even be going after a midfielder via the draft? Or will they go for a quick fix but doing a bit of a trade.

I hope they go via the draft, but Freo shocked me with there Tarrant suprise last year.
 
Reveler said:
will the recruiters even be going after a midfielder via the draft? Or will they go for a quick fix but doing a bit of a trade.

I hope they go via the draft, but Freo shocked me with there Tarrant suprise last year.
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And they shocked me in 2005 going after Jon Hay and then choosing Drum and Ibbotson with their first picks. You never know what they will do - We define the meaning of the "Silly Season".

Even the comments made by Ben Allan in the Worst a few weeks ago about how Youth isn't the best solution makes me worried...
 

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