Our Game Is In Trouble

[JHF1870]

Yup

And if you say dogs over gws I don’t agree ...games go for 120 minutes

A lot happens to decide a game

I believe Collingwood VS Hawks.

You're raising one point though, about the champion but what about each and every game having consistency. Are you saying you're happy with inconsistency and mediocrity.

 

[dave123]

I believe Collingwood VS Hawks.

You're raising one point though, about the champion but what about each and every game having consistency. Are you saying you're happy with inconsistency and mediocrity.

I believe what we keep trying to change the rules to make the game look aesthetically pleasing

It’s a brutal game ...I’m not of the belief we need high scoring to enjoy the game either ...

We keep changing rules which players then exploit ...these guys are professional athletes who sit with bio mechanics and sports scientists to figure out strategies to cope with a new rule

We then have revolving door of rules being exploited

We will never have the game perfect looking

 

[dave123]

I'm not sure on your background but you have got to be kidding. I've followed this game closely for 20 years and it has never been worse. It is beyond embarrassing. And besides, we're talking about the system that makes it impossible to umpire. We're not arguing the difficulty in umping the game.
Do you realize players are now deliberately taking contact to get free kicks. Players are deliberately running into players on the ground to get a free kick. The AFL has not made any attempt to address flopping. players are still ducking and getting free kicks.
As for your comment about not deciding games my god you have to be joking.

Background

Played at A grade in country

Worked at Australian institute of sport for a while in junior development programs

I have a good understanding of sports dynamics and how humans will do anything to win including exploiting rules

 

[FootyGeek]

Players have been flopping for free kicks since the first ball was kicked.

I like the tendency towards more free kicks and stricter interpretations of rules across the board.

More free kicks keeps the game moving, provides higher scores and devalues the 'worth' of a free kick so that incorrect decisions are less likely to influence the result of a game.

In the good old days 100 free kicks a game was not uncommon and the game was fantastic to watch.

 

[bluespooner]

Broken legs were not a good look

How many players broke their legs?

 

[bluespooner]

Name the last flag decided by umpiring

2018, with the block on the Collingwood defender attempting to contest which Sheed marked and eventually goaled.

 

[Americanpies]

This isn't exclusive to AFL.

World sports have gone to garbage... not much is safe from over-bureaucratic nonsense now.

Basketball is a good example.... There are now so many vague and grey area rules in NBA basketball... that refs can basically decide a game off their own bat just by the calls they make. NFL is the same... Refer both games prior to the superbowl... Superbowl should have been New Orleans Vs Kansas City Chiefs.. but ends up being both of the other teams, because of disgusting calls that decided the games. And soccer is not even watchable anymore.... The diving, offsides, red cards.. it's absolute trash.

One could speculate countless reasons why this is happening, but it all comes down to one thing - Money. The money involved in professional sports around the world would be greater than the GDP of some countries. And the people pumping this money in don't want their products to lack integrity, sportsmanship, be associated with injury and pain, etc... in other words, sport has become overrun by corporates and people like the AFL will bend every rule they can to make this a family friendly affair to the point where at some time in the future the Grand Final half time show will feature The Wiggles as the main act.

 

[dave123]

2018, with the block on the Collingwood defender attempting to contest which Sheed marked and eventually goaled.

Lol

You see that every week

We dominated the second half and inside 50s


Seriously you’re a fool if you think you umpires cost you the grand final

 

[bluespooner]

That should have been paid as a free kick, without it Sheed would not have been able to mark and goal. You can't block a player out of the marking contest.

Inside 50s is irrelevant, otherwise Melbourne would be on 3 wins this year.

 

[Xtreme]

2018, with the block on the Collingwood defender attempting to contest which Sheed marked and eventually goaled.

Magpies lost fair and square

 

[bluespooner]

Magpies lost fair and square

I had no preference in the game but blocking is a free kick.

 

[dave123]

That should have been paid as a free kick, without it Sheed would not have been able to mark and goal. You can't block a player out of the marking contest.

Inside 50s is irrelevant, otherwise Melbourne would be on 3 wins this year.

High contact ......free kick to Rioli

 

[bluespooner]

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High contact ......free kick to Rioli

Rioli stepped into Maynard's line to prevent him from contesting the aerial mark. Got awarded a lot last year but perhaps looking at the free kick differential that favours WC by a huge margin you wouldn't be aware of that.

 

[Cuzz09]

Rioli was trying to get Maynard under the ball as he only realised Sheed was there til late.

Before Sheed popped up Willie was gonna mark it

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[Max zero]

The worst was the below the knees call on Miochek, the call was bad but to actually pay a 50 shows no understanding at all, that is where our umpiring is at ATM, this is a game people wager on.

I haven't seen Pendles lose his shit like that since umpire Schmidt (cheating campaigner) pinged him for a throw from 80 mtrs away with his back turned, replay showed a clean handball, resulting free kick cost a goal.

My post on this:

I actually like the free kick. Not because it was an Eagle player getting the benefit but because the player had the option of remaining on his feet. His very intention there was to dive down and use his body to kill the play. Cripps has no alternative there except to tackle on player on the ground which still kills the play.

Do we want the situation where every time there is a contested ball players are in a race to see who dives first?

Yes Dangerfield the advice to young kids is to not dive in and keep your feet. It's not hard.

#Keepyourfeet

 

[johnno77]

I can't see too much joy in being an ump at the top level at the moment. Messaging coming from the AFL continues to be confusing to fans of AFL so how is it any different for the umps? Sometimes, it wouldn't hurt for the AFL to come out and say that they have got it wrong and they need to fix it. The below the knee rule being the most pressing one. That one in the Collingwood game was blatantly wrong in my eyes but I've seen plenty of those paid in recent years. The subsequent 50 would not have happened if there was any kind of common sense applied to the situation. But I don't blame the ump. They've got a bloody tough job to do these days. It hasn't gotten any easier. It's gotten a LOT harder.

The game has been around for 150 years. I'm all for rules changes to improve the game but we don't need to roll out half a dozen a year. Look at one rule at a time. How do we even know which rule they've changed this year is helping and which one isn't?

 

[Americanpies]

That should have been paid as a free kick, without it Sheed would not have been able to mark and goal. You can't block a player out of the marking contest.

Inside 50s is irrelevant, otherwise Melbourne would be on 3 wins this year.

Rioli was trying to get Maynard under the ball as he only realised Sheed was there til late.

Before Sheed popped up Willie was gonna mark it

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Not sure what you watched. But at 1.24 on this video, it is clearly showing Rioli moving in a direction away from the ball. He is not moving towards the ball at all. He was 5 - 10 metres away.. he would not have marked that ball. Commentator also agrees - "was it a block?" "it probably was".

But there is no use arguing with West Coast or Geelong supporters about umpiring. You guys love the game the way it is for obvious reasons. And for sure you guys would love even more rules and free kicks implemented.. maybe to the point where tackling is gone and we change the name of the game to Free Kick Ball. Ignorance sure is bliss...

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Some of the HTB decisions last night were a disgrace as well. Players were getting no prior opportunity and getting pinged. In the next play someone would get tackled, spun around, drop the ball and no free called for incorrect disposal and then another player would get tackled and handball and get pinged for incorrect disposal. It’s beco Scooby Doo mystery as to what is going to be called and what isn’t..

Same thing on Friday night.

Just umpire it like they do the GF

 

[Paul Kersey]

Is ther anyone out there who dosen't want games umpired like finals?

Why is this so hard for the AFL to comprehend?

 

[jdisc]

When was the last premiership decided by umpiring

Over 22 rounds and finals the best team usually wins

I don't recall ever claiming it was, I don't know why you keep implying it's an argument i've put forward.

Broken legs were not a good look

Okay, so should the AFL pass a new rule every time a player gets injured? Two players had injuries in a contact sport and now we have a rule which causes confusing free kicks at least a few times each round. Massive over reaction.

 

[jdisc]

Rioli stepped into Maynard's line to prevent him from contesting the aerial mark. Got awarded a lot last year but perhaps looking at the free kick differential that favours WC by a huge margin you wouldn't be aware of that.

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High contact ......free kick to Rioli

I dont know why you guys keep putting forward the idea that Rioli blocked Maynard, you can quite clearly see from this still that Maynard is actually far closer to Sheed than Rioli is. He's blocking the space and Maynard is attempting to defend Rioli. Sheed drifts in front of the both of them and marks.

 

[Luv_our_club]

When was the last premiership decided by umpiring

Over 22 rounds and finals the best team usually wins

Finals games have been impacted by umpiring. I could name a few.

The umpiring in grand finals is normally good because it is clearly a different approach to umpiring during the season.

 

[jdisc]

Not sure what you watched. But at 1.24 on this video, it is clearly showing Rioli moving in a direction away from the ball. He is not moving towards the ball at all. He was 5 - 10 metres away.. he would not have marked that ball. Commentator also agrees - "was it a block?" "it probably was".

But there is no use arguing with West Coast or Geelong supporters about umpiring. You guys love the game the way it is for obvious reasons. And for sure you guys would love even more rules and free kicks implemented.. maybe to the point where tackling is gone and we change the name of the game to Free Kick Ball. Ignorance sure is bliss...

You can clearly see that Maynard is closer to Sheed than Rioli is. Rioli is blocking the space closer to the goal. Unless your implication is that Sheed was positioned behind Rioli and then somehow teleported to where he took the mark, you can't possibly claim that it was a block.

Maybe take a look at the free kick count from the last game champ before you start strawmaning other posters. No one likes seeing the degradation of our sport, regardless of their team.

 

[dave123]

You can clearly see that Maynard is closer to Sheed than Rioli is. Rioli is blocking the space closer to the goal. Unless your implication is that Sheed was positioned behind Rioli and then somehow teleported to where he took the mark, you can't possibly claim that it was a block.

Maybe take a look at the free kick count from the last game champ before you start strawmaning other posters. No one likes seeing the degradation of our sport, regardless of their team.

Maynard has his hand on Riolis head ..it’s high contact

It’s as high contact as it is a block ...both jostling for position

Great call ....pic doesn’t lie

 

[jdisc]

Seriously guys, look at it. Stare at this picture. Look at where Rioli is. Look at where Maynard is. How is it possible for Rioli to block Maynard from the wrong side of the contest? I know the Rioli's are special players but I didn't realise it applied to the laws of physics