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[Saintbloke]

Just to add to that, Marshall can give us a point of difference as the second ruck too. Honestly if Marshall had played that Melbourne game we'd probably have won, could have gotten on top when Gawn was off but instead we got killed.

What position was Keeler playing in his junior years or at the time we recruited him? I thought Tauru and Caminiti were promising forwards when we picked them up, but now they are struggling in the backline. Nothing makes much sense so far this season. I think we're seeing the results of stuffing around with our list too much in the last 4 years or so and getting an unbalanced mix of players.

 

[SanDelOeste]

Yes. Keelers (lack of) work rate on Sunday was very disappointing to see.

This was a big knock on him when we drafted him from memory. Despite all his talent there was a lack of competitiveness and desire to be a pro - probably not something you can just teach. If only he had goddard-like mentality.

 

[SaintWrld]

Yes. Keelers (lack of) work rate on Sunday was very disappointing to see.

Besides that one defensive effort at the end what are you referring to exactly? 48% time on ground, played out of position and finished with 10 disposals 3 marks and a goal, plus two other shots on goal. Do people forget that Marshall was worst on ground against the pies 6 disposals ZERO marks. There was nothing wrong with Keelers work ethic, he impacted far more than Sharman etc.

 

[BrutThough]

Besides that one defensive effort at the end what are you referring to exactly? 48% time on ground, played out of position and finished with 10 disposals 3 marks and a goal, plus two other shots on goal. Do people forget that Marshall was worst on ground against the pies 6 disposals ZERO marks. There was nothing wrong with Keelers work ethic, he impacted far more than Sharman etc.

Owens was moved into the ruck by the end of the game Keeler was that ineffective.

We can spin stats however we want but that was very telling from the coaches.

 

[Mav3rick]

Owens was moved into the ruck by the end of the game Keeler was that ineffective.

We can spin stats however we want but that was very telling from the coaches.

I thought Keeler was decent forward, pretty dreadful in the ruck and looked gassed despite playing less than half the game. It's hard to improve strength and aerobic capacity at the same time, which is what he's been tasked with. Bottom line is he can't be losing aerial contests to the likes of Harry Sharp if he wants to be a key position AFL footballer

 

[SaintWrld]

Owens was moved into the ruck by the end of the game Keeler was that ineffective.

We can spin stats however we want but that was very telling from the coaches.

He is a Key Forward being played out of position, he is not a ruckman and never has been. When he was forward he actually offered something. He lost the hit outs to melbournes 2nd ruck 5-3, their second ruck is 6 years older and the exact same height, 100 game premiership player.
Why it a surprise that they chose not to play a 21 year old key forward against the greatest ruckman of all time, preferring to chuck the strongest guy on the list up against him to try and negate him as best as possible.

Can you name any key forwards under 22 in the league that have had their development ruined with as much as Keeler by positional mismanagement?

 

[BrutThough]

He is a Key Forward being played out of position, he is not a ruckman and never has been. When he was forward he actually offered something. He lost the hit outs to melbournes 2nd ruck 5-3, their second ruck is 6 years older and the exact same height, 100 game premiership player.
Why it a surprise that they chose not to play a 21 year old key forward against the greatest ruckman of all time, preferring to chuck the strongest guy on the list up against him to try and negate him as best as possible.

Can you name any key forwards under 22 in the league that have had their development ruined with as much as Keeler by positional mismanagement?

I wouldnt have Keeler on that list so I'll save time making the list and just say everyone other u22 key forward playing regularly.

 

[StCicatriz]

Still no news on Butler. Hasnt played either of the past 2 VFL games. Is he training fully?

this one is weird. anyone got any idea?

 

[beside the seaside]

He is a Key Forward being played out of position, he is not a ruckman and never has been. When he was forward he actually offered something. He lost the hit outs to melbournes 2nd ruck 5-3, their second ruck is 6 years older and the exact same height, 100 game premiership player.
Why it a surprise that they chose not to play a 21 year old key forward against the greatest ruckman of all time, preferring to chuck the strongest guy on the list up against him to try and negate him as best as possible.

Can you name any key forwards under 22 in the league that have had their development ruined with as much as Keeler by positional mismanagement?

He's at the age where he needs to rip some games apart in the VFL as a forward. There's a spot in the side for him if he can prove he's good enough. The unfortunate reality is he just might not be.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

We should have a pretty good side in 5-7 weeks.

Shame our season is cooked by then

 

[gringo2011]

Owens was moved into the ruck by the end of the game Keeler was that ineffective.

We can spin stats however we want but that was very telling from the coaches.

Keeler was no good in the ruck but not bad forward. Owens actually held up in the ruck bizarrely.

 

[saint66au]

He's at the age where he needs to rip some games apart in the VFL as a forward. There's a spot in the side for him if he can prove he's good enough. The unfortunate reality is he just might not be.

Reckon he was drafted at least partially as a break glass for Max. Sadly Max has barely played since we drafted him, Doogs has been injured and Cordy was a bust,,,so we's not had a chance to just settle forward (or back) in the twos and develop and learn his craft. Agree with others though that I do question his hunger for the game

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Reckon he was drafted at least partially as a break glass for Max. Sadly Max has barely played since we drafted him, Doogs has been injured and Cordy was a bust,,,so we's not had a chance to just settle forward (or back) in the twos and develop and learn his craft. Agree with others though that I do question his hunger for the game

Jesus , its not like he was an early pick.
Crows didn't even take him as an acedemy pick. I still think we can turn him into something useful.

 

[Yawkey way]

Keeler was no good in the ruck but not bad forward. Owens actually held up in the ruck bizarrely.

I don’t think Keeler is going to make it.

Someone else mentioned that finding desperation and hardness isn’t that easy, I agree with that. Keeler has the skills but is so passive and easily shifted off the ball, often by much smaller opponents.

He’s probably worth something in a trade back to SA, I’d move him on. He’s also taking playing time away from Dodson who I have a lot more confidence in.

Owens is a luxury, in a forward line alongside a key he’s probably 3/4 banana and a very hard matchup. At present as an undersized key or backup ruck he’s Jason Blake, honest, dependable, brave. I’d love to see him given some time as a mid, he at least can win a hard ball and stick a tackle.

We’re the NQR saints, so many players with flaws in their games. Not surprising when you’re not at the top of the draft but I wish we’d pay more attention to skills. Think of how many lousy kicks we have now, that hurts you especially under pressure. Miss targets, turn it over and get burnt, miss goals you should kick and get burnt.

I haven’t liked our teams the first two weeks. I know we’re not flush for choices but the structure is all wrong. It’s like those stupid AA teams where no one is in position and you have mids everywhere, or 6 halfback flankers. Imagine our backline against Hawthorn, all those smalls carving us up.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Problem there is that the South Australian teams won't be after Keeler, they'll be coming hard for Dodson. Definitely some tricky list management coming in the next few years. I think Dodson is out of contract at the end of this season?

 

[stavro#4]

Problem there is that the South Australian teams won't be after Keeler, they'll be coming hard for Dodson. Definitely some tricky list management coming in the next few years. I think Dodson is out of contract at the end of this season?

POrt adelaides draft currency is going to be spent on 2 x top 5 and 1 x top 15 academy/FS picks in the 26 and 27 drafts.

They won't be able to just prize away Nas or Dodson with leaking top end talent to facilitate.

Adelaide is well positioned but have their eyes set on some big FA and are probably in the window now. So not sure Dodson helps in the short term

 

[gringo2011]

I don’t think Keeler is going to make it.

Someone else mentioned that finding desperation and hardness isn’t that easy, I agree with that. Keeler has the skills but is so passive and easily shifted off the ball, often by much smaller opponents.

He’s probably worth something in a trade back to SA, I’d move him on. He’s also taking playing time away from Dodson who I have a lot more confidence in.

Owens is a luxury, in a forward line alongside a key he’s probably 3/4 banana and a very hard matchup. At present as an undersized key or backup ruck he’s Jason Blake, honest, dependable, brave. I’d love to see him given some time as a mid, he at least can win a hard ball and stick a tackle.

We’re the NQR saints, so many players with flaws in their games. Not surprising when you’re not at the top of the draft but I wish we’d pay more attention to skills. Think of how many lousy kicks we have now, that hurts you especially under pressure. Miss targets, turn it over and get burnt, miss goals you should kick and get burnt.

I haven’t liked our teams the first two weeks. I know we’re not flush for choices but the structure is all wrong. It’s like those stupid AA teams where no one is in position and you have mids everywhere, or 6 halfback flankers. Imagine our backline against Hawthorn, all those smalls carving us up.

Keeler is a back up KP. Van Rooyen has been playing games since being a first round pick and has kicked bags of four multiple times. Now he's tipped over 50 games he looks primed.

Keeler has played 12 games most as sub. Plenty as emergency too. He's also had 2 less seasons. Talls take time and are an investment. He's got natural talent to burn. I think he could easily be handy 50 goal forward in time. You really can't tell without knowing that his instructions are. He might be performing what they ask.

 

[Nutsngum]

Keeler is a back up KP. Van Rooyen has been playing games since being a first round pick and has kicked bags of four multiple times. Now he's tipped over 50 games he looks primed.

Keeler has played 12 games most as sub. Plenty as emergency too. He's also had 2 less seasons. Talls take time and are an investment. He's got natural talent to burn. I think he could easily be handy 50 goal forward in time. You really can't tell without knowing that his instructions are. He might be performing what they ask.

We are waaay too quick to write off talls. Look how long it took someone like Amartey to become even reasonably decent.
Not saying Keeler deserves that long necessarily but I think people very much underrate how long some talls take to develop properly.

 

[Sully111]

I think Keeler could be a good forward.

Not everyone with a lot of height is cut out to play ruck.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I think Keeler could be a good forward.

Not everyone with a lot of height is cut out to play ruck.

I think the problem is that a lot of posters have taken the numerous “young Paddy Ryder” descriptions as factual rather than hopeful.

There may be similarities but that doesn’t mean he’s a clone.

 

[phantom13]

If he winds up a permanent second tall who can take 5 minutes of ruck a quarter (or even just forward 50 ones) that’s probably good enough.

He has a freakish skill set and I want him to succeed but he might be neither forward nor ruck which means he’s tough to find a spot for

 

[Sully111]

If he winds up a permanent second tall who can take 5 minutes of ruck a quarter (or even just forward 50 ones) that’s probably good enough.

He has a freakish skill set and I want him to succeed but he might be neither forward nor ruck which means he’s tough to find a spot for

To me, it's forward or bust.

 

[beside the seaside]

To me, it's forward or bust.

Hopefully he can get some consistent opportunities as a forward in the VFL. It could be tough if the team is struggling, but you'd love to see him start banging the door down with some goals.

 

[Sully111]

Hopefully he can get some consistent opportunities as a forward in the VFL. It could be tough if the team is struggling, but you'd love to see him start banging the door down with some goals.

I think they see him as a ruck/forward. Not sure he's ever going to be developed properly, in line with his skillset.

 

[Yawkey way]

Keeler is a back up KP. Van Rooyen has been playing games since being a first round pick and has kicked bags of four multiple times. Now he's tipped over 50 games he looks primed.

Keeler has played 12 games most as sub. Plenty as emergency too. He's also had 2 less seasons. Talls take time and are an investment. He's got natural talent to burn. I think he could easily be handy 50 goal forward in time. You really can't tell without knowing that his instructions are. He might be performing what they ask.

Imo he doesn’t have it.

Plenty of guys look good at training or can show a few flashes but that’s not afl. AFL is a physical game, peoole see a big guy and think it’s easy, it’s not.