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Opinion Our selections this year

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As the team selections this year seem to have stirred more debate than ever before, thought it would be worthwhile running through some of them. It seems as if Hinkley has selected the best 22 from last year + Ryder and stuck with them, only bringing in like for like. He also hasn't made selections based on team weaknesses but rather stuck to the gameplan - for instance playing Neade rather than another midfielder in the first two games despite us lacking match fitness. Ken has always backed players in and usually they have rewarded him, he isn't the kind of coach to make changes weekly and gives the side several weeks to get comfortable together whilst tinkering around the edges.

Game one: Criticised for playing underdone players, an out of form Neade and taking a risk with Butcher. However, despite all this we could have/should have beaten the most defensive and best side of 2015 at their home. So the structures and personnel work, some might say another mid instead of Butcher/Neade may have got us over the line but who knows. The other point is we didn't have a SANFL game so not playing people like Hartlett and Monfries wouldn't have allowed them to get match fitness and meant they would have had to miss several weeks to get match fitness - we were a bit hamstrung there. Yea maybe Young, Stewart and Mitchell should have come in here as the most in form players or we back our best 22 who were a kick short of a GF.
1) Ryder - was fit, and our sole ruck, had to play.
2) Monfries - fit and a key 22 player
3) Trengove - only back over 195cm, not match fit but essential
4) Wingard - Arguably our best forward and our X factor, even at 50% he can change a game.
5) Hartlett - our best kick, had to play.
6) Boak - recovered mostly from the corky, always going to play.
7) Neade - great form last year, even if his preseason form was poor, his forward pressure merited selection.

The real question is who would have come in instead?

Game 2:
Redden for Butcher. Regardless of whether Butcher should have got another game or not, Redden came in to free up Ryder and was likely to be subbed. Sadly with the Impey injury it didn't work and Redden was too out of form and lacking in fitness to impact the game significantly. Our work rate also dropped off and we were killed around the contest. It was a high risk move and a dumb one, but had it paid off we would be singing its praises. Really it never should have happened considering his lack of form and fitness and that he was only just back from injury. I am not sure why they made this decision.

Game 3: Ah Chee, Mitchell, Young and Krak in for Cornes, Redden, Neade and Impey. All made sense really. Needed run and inside winners and we got them. Ah Chee over Moore was a surprise. Cornes was being managed.

Game 4: Wines and Gray out, Lobbe and Cornes in. Can't argue with that.

Game 5: Gray in for Ah Chee.

Game 6: Polec out for Ah Chee.

Game 7: Impey, Amon and O'Shea in and Ah Chee, Young and Carlile out. Ah Chee being dropped to get a full SANFL game doesn't make sense, Young is fair considering form and poor defensive efforts. O'Shea wasn't in great form, but then he never really kills SANFL but still comes in and is solid at AFL. He is also our next in line KPD and covered Carlile/Trengrove last year quite well. The problem with these selections was we removed two inside mids and a KPD and replaced them with two running backs and an outside runner. This is despite our midfield getting killed and the Lions actually having a solid midfield. Impey is fine to cover the Brisbane smalls, Amon is in form and makes sense to provide X factor, O'Shea was probably surplus to needs.

Game 8: O'Shea out and Wines and Carlile in, fair. Gray is in form but is a SANFL mid, if we want an AFL mid I think there are better options, if we want a small forward there are better options. Gray is the only other rookie to warrant elevation. Cornes retirement, allows Krak to be elevated year long.

Paul Stewart is in cracking form as a space filling half bank flanker/wing. We have a few of those in the team already and would have been rough to have dropped anyone prior to this game.

So have our selections been that crazy or disappointing? Bar game 7, Redden and Gray, I would say they have been perfectly reasonable.
 
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As the team selections this year seem to have stirred more debate than ever before, thought it would be worthwhile running through some of them. It seems as if Hinkley has selected the best 22 from last year + Ryder and stuck with them, only bringing in like for like. He also hasn't made selections based on team weaknesses but rather stuck to the gameplan - for instance playing Neade rather than another midfielder in the first two games despite us lacking match fitness. Ken has always backed players in and usually they have rewarded him, he isn't the kind of coach to make changes weekly and gives the side several weeks to get comfortable together whilst tinkering around the edges.

Game one: Criticised for playing underdone players, an out of form Neade and taking a risk with Butcher. However, despite all this we could have/should have beaten the most defensive and best side of 2015 at their home. So the structures and personnel work, some might say another mid instead of Butcher/Neade may have got us over the line but who knows. The other point is we didn't have a SANFL game so not playing people like Hartlett and Monfries wouldn't have allowed them to get match fitness and meant they would have had to miss several weeks to get match fitness - we were a bit hamstrung there. Yea maybe Young, Stewart and Mitchell should have come in here as the most in form players or we back our best 22 who were a kick short of a GF.
1) Ryder - was fit, and our sole ruck, had to play.
2) Monfries - fit and a key 22 player
3) Trengrove - only back over 195cm, not match fit but essential
4) Winguard - Arguably our best forward and our X factor, even at 50% he can change a game.
5) Hartlett - our best kick, had to play.
6) Boak - recovered mostly from the corky, always going to play.
7) Neade - great form last year, even if his preseason form was poor, his forward pressure merited selection.

The real question is who would have come in instead?

Game 2:
Redden for Butcher. Regardless of whether Butcher should have got another game or not, Redden came in to free up Ryder and was likely to be subbed. Sadly with the Impey injury it didn't work and Redden was too out of form and lacking in fitness to impact the game significantly. Our work rate also dropped off and we were killed around the contest. It was a high risk move and a dumb one, but had it paid off we would be singing its praises. Really it never should have happened considering his lack of form and fitness and that he was only just back from injury. I am not sure why they made this decision.

Game 3: Ah Chee, Mitchell, Young and Krak in for Cornes, Redden, Neade and Impey. All made sense really. Needed run and inside winners and we got them. Ah Chee over Moore was a surprise. Cornes was being managed.

Game 4: Wines and Gray out, Lobbe and Cornes in. Can't argue with that.

Game 5: Gray in for Ah Chee.

Game 6: Polec out for Ah Chee.

Game 7: Impey, Amon and O'Shea in and Ah Chee, Young and Carlile out. Ah Chee being dropped to get a full SANFL game doesn't make sense, Young is fair considering form and poor defensive efforts. O'Shea wasn't in great form, but then he never really kills SANFL but still comes in and is solid at AFL. He is also our next in line KPD and covered Carlile/Trengrove last year quite well. The problem with these selections was we removed two inside mids and a KPD and replaced them with two running backs and an outside runner. This is despite our midfield getting killed and the Lions actually having a solid midfield. Impey is fine to cover the Brisbane smalls, Amon is in form and makes sense to provide X factor, O'Shea was probably surplus to needs.

Game 8: O'Shea out and Wines and Carlile in, fair. Gray is in form but is a SANFL mid, if we want an AFL mid I think there are better options, if we want a small forward there are better options. Gray is the only other rookie to warrant elevation. Cornes retirement, allows Krak to be elevated year long.

Paul Stewart is in cracking form as a space filling half bank flanker/wing. We have a few of those in the team already and would have been rough to have dropped anyone prior to this game.

So have our selections been that crazy or disappointing? Bar game 7, Redden and Gray, I would say they have been perfectly reasonable.
Yea what he said.
 
3) Trengrove - only back over 195cm, not match fit but essential
4) Winguard - Arguably our best forward and our X factor, even at 50% he can change a game.
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Cant even spell Wingard and Trengove. Whats your point apart from the rest of us having a shot at them?
 

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The point was for those who suggest some players have gold passes or that certain players should or shouldn't be playing, it seems, at least to me - an observer who struggles with players names, that the selections have been based on needs and have been quite sensible. But was keen to see what others thought and if I was off the mark. If it's not interesting that's fine, could easily be merged with the Richmond changes thread or deleted.
 
The point was for those who suggest some players have gold passes or that certain players should or shouldn't be playing, it seems, at least to me - an observer who struggles with players names, that the selections have been based on needs and have been quite sensible. But was keen to see what others thought and if I was off the mark. If it's not interesting that's fine, could easily be merged with the Richmond changes thread or deleted.
I have know idea of your point? Seriously you have dribbled shit in a couple of posts and i dont know what you're on about.

But that's just me. Our other astute Port posters might want to help you out more than i can.
 
The point was for those who suggest some players have gold passes or that certain players should or shouldn't be playing, it seems, at least to me - an observer who struggles with players names, that the selections have been based on needs and have been quite sensible. But was keen to see what others thought and if I was off the mark. If it's not interesting that's fine, could easily be merged with the Richmond changes thread or deleted.
my issue isnt with who has been coming in, besides oshea, but who hasnt been going out, its easy to drop fringe players who have only been a sub or havent really been given a go, but it takes guts to drop a name player who has played poor football all year. we have 'fringe' players who have had big preseasons, played well in the nab cup and have kept their form throughout the season, they are still playing for the maggies, yet others are really struggling, three are pretty obvious, yet they still get selected everyweek in the hope that they will turn it around one day. they will, but like last year when the season drifted away from us and it cost us a real crack at the flag, will it be too late again.
 
I have know idea of your point? Seriously you have dribbled shit in a couple of posts and i dont know what you're on about.

But that's just me. Our other astute Port posters might want to help you out more than i can.

Ease up 'bo. Red tins are supposed to mellow, not enrage.
 
I dont drink red tins tribes FFS!!! :p.........its either VB, or Coopers best. Usually stout :$

What about blue tins?

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Fair enough, I thought the thread might stimulate discussion around the broader selection style but as stated, if it isn't interesting or doesn't seem to communicate a point, then perhaps the mods can merge/delete/close it and we can let it disappear into the annuals of Big Footy.
 
Reddo was a gamble that backfired ( in part due to circumstances beyond the selectors' control ), but even weeks later he is just beginning to show confidence at snafl level. :(

The use of Ah Chee has been baffling, ie what more could the bloke do to impress? :confused:

The rewarding of O'Shea's rat sh*t form for the Maggies when others were performing much better, and he took that form into an AFL game and performed accordingly. o_O

The above are my top 3, but I still have faith in Ken to get most things right, hopefully starting this weekend against the tiggers. :cool:
 
Round 1 in hindsight we might have got more wrong than we had anticipated in terms of taking in five underdone players but more critically a couple of underperformers from the preseason.

Other than that my main gripe was the omission last week of AhChee only to hand O'Shea a full game, even allowing for a perceived need to cover Carlile's injury.
 
Fair enough, I thought the thread might stimulate discussion around the broader selection style but as stated, if it isn't interesting or doesn't seem to communicate a point, then perhaps the mods can merge/delete/close it and we can let it disappear into the annuals of Big Footy.
Fair thread. The vitriol directed at you was uncalled for and should have been toned down quickly.
 

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Our selections have been fine, bar the selection of O'Shea.
Even O'Shea can be debated.
Some players show form at AFL level more than at SANFL level. As O'Shea has runs on the board one could argue that it was worth a shot.
 
The biggest issue has been lack of big bodied mids when available. We've been smashed at stoppages all year. After Ah Chees good first game and with Wines and Moore unavailable he should have played full games the last two weeks. Moore should have come in last week, so we had two big bodied mids. And this week Wines plus at least one of Ah Chee or Moore, ideally both.

The other one that's annoyed is continuing to play White when he needs time off - either he's injured or he's just lost pace (unlikely). Without his pace he's lacking the tools to command a spot.
 
The selections are fine and generally justified.

My concern is that IMO we have the wrong balance. Teams like the swans and Hawks have a truck load of mids through the lineup, we have a good core of mids and then too many flankers for my liking.

Additionally personally I'm over Matty White, I just don't think he is adding enough and I'd rather us get games into Young in that HFF role. He's a HFF who can do some good stuff in traffic, he's not a clearance mid who can play forward, and as such I'd like to see him get to really develop there.
 
We lost to docker by 7 points....we went toe to toe with the best team right now on their home deck...we have been the only team to be in front for majority of the game against them this season

Round 2 sydney.....they defended and sling shotted the shit outta us...we controlled the large portions of the game but just couldnt score .......i put this down to coaching tactics

North Melb...we won

Hawks first qtr was the best football we produced

Adelaide...meh game we won..

The next couple of games we should have won no ifs buts or injuries or selections should excuse the performances we put up the last fortnight....

Its something else and i believe we trying to explain it....selections is always a favourite on this board...

Selections are not the problem.....looking elsewhere
 

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