Society & Culture Our shared language

[Simple Jack]

Car-sel-main. Just like the brewery

Is it pronounced Casselmain? If so, that may be why some Vics say Newcassel

Also Kyneton was an amusing one - when I visited Vic as a kid, my dad told me it was pronounced like Kinnerton

As I said in my post about Newcassel, the people who call it Casselmain are nearly all over 50, or from the country.

 

[Pie eyed]

Car-sel-main. Just like the brewery

Is it pronounced Casselmain? If so, that may be why some Vics say Newcassel

Also Kyneton was an amusing one - when I visited Vic as a kid, my dad told me it was pronounced like Kinnerton

Where are you from?
It's Carselmain and newcassel in Mackay QLD. Hey?

Dirby Darby
Dirby's a hat and darby's a race or contest.
Derby's a small town in WA....they ****in hate it being mispronounced though.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Where are you from?
It's Carselmain and newcassel in Mackay QLD. Hey?

Dirby Darby
Dirby's a hat and darby's a race or contest.
Derby's a small town in WA....they ****in hate it being mispronounced though.

Derby is also a smaller town in north-eastern Tasmania. Every year they hold the Derby River Derby (pronounced derby river darby).

 

[kickazz]

Been said already but the SA (as in the state, not the region) seems to have a distinct accent.

Words like plant, chance and Lance are definitley pronounced differently to how a Victorian would say them. Vic - rhyming with 'ant' SA - rhyming with "aren't"

Also words ending in L have a subtle difference - in Victoria the L is definitley pronounced with the tongue touching the front upper palate, in SA it often has a softer 'W' sort of sound. e.g Calls, Schools. I remember Bruce McAvaney commenting on Andrew Wills fumbling the ball: " Wiiws spiws the pill"

p.s. use Victoria for comparison as that's where I am obviously.

 

[kickazz]

Car-sel-main. Just like the brewery

Is it pronounced Casselmain? If so, that may be why some Vics say Newcassel

Yeah casselmain is how it's said around here - also wikipedia says that too and it is never wrong.

As for Newcastle - Sting is from the UK one and he calls it newcassel, but I think the NSW one is newcarsel, yeah?

 

[kfc1]

Where are you from?

originally Newcarsel

 

[KDSnap]

Unless you listen closely you'll only notice 3 accents in Australia

broad Aussie accent (most well known internationally)
General Aussie accent (spoken by most people)
"posh" Aussie accent (spoken by w***ers)

There are similar accents that are not regional here in the US.. The general accent would be the common midwestern diction, which you would hear any news broadcaster using if you find an online video from CNN, or any other of the big networks. It is the same for most of Canada, outside of the Toronto area and the French-speaking provinces.
There is one accent that goes beyond geographic regions, and is similar to the Southern accent, but is mostly associated with lower-class, uneducated white people. I lived in southwest Ohio for several years (google "Dayton, Ohio") and there were a lot of people there who spoke that Southern-style drawl. Those who didn't speak that way often referred to them with the very derogatory term of "hillrats," which relates to Appalachian "hillbillies," people who are considered backward and primitive. If you have ever seen the classic Burt Reynolds movie "Deliverance," that is what I am talking about. ("Squeal like a pig, boy!") There is a difference between hillbillies and southerners.
And another accent that transcends geographic limits is becoming known as "African American Vernacular." It is sometimes called "ebonics," although that carries some racist overtones, which I certainly do not intend here. But I started this thread to discuss accents... and the two examples I mentioned here are almost dialects, rather than accents.

 

[Sepoy]

South Australian's have a different accent. Sounds more proper "english"

 

[Hoops]

Car-sel-main. Just like the brewery

you could claim they're saying it wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlemaine_Perkins#History

Castlemaine ( /ˈkæsəlmeɪn/)[2] is a city in Victoria, Australia

 

[The_Reaper]

And another accent that transcends geographic limits is becoming known as "African American Vernacular." It is sometimes called "ebonics," although that carries some racist overtones, which I certainly do not intend here. But I started this thread to discuss accents... and the two examples I mentioned here are almost dialects, rather than accents.

Noongars (the local Aboriginal tribe in the Perth area) definitely have their own accent.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Noongars (the local Aboriginal tribe in the Perth area) definitely have their own accent.

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. Growing up knowing only Aboriginal kids who were Noongars, I naively thought it was 'the' accent (am I an accidental racist?). I guess the gulf in accents is due to the vast geographical difference. Obviously, thousands of years in different nations in different parts of Australia will mean different accents. If you compare the way Adam Goodes speaks with the way someone like Andrew Krakouer speaks, there's a big difference. Noongar people seem to accentuate certain words, and certain parts of words.

Also, on the geographical distance, do you reckon Australians could have regionalised accents in the future? In my opinion, I reckon Australian accents are so 'the same' due to the youngness of our country. We really haven't had enough time to start distinguishing ourselves.

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I'm not a big stand up person, but this is all true.

I guess rhetoric is pretty big with Australians as well. And everyone really does have that upward shift in every sentence.

Also, I reckon Melburnian chicks sound a lot different (to Western Australia ones, at least). There's a really flatness about the way they speak. I suppose it's a little drier, the ends of sentences are the 'crux' of the sentence in terms of pronunciation, and its slightly more drawn out. Sarah from Wilfred really shows this. I mean, Perth girls also seem to be a little more nasally. I think they both go up in the same place, it's just that a Perth accent will be a lot more nasally and pronounced.

 

[jethro11]

South Australian's have a different accent. Sounds more proper "english"

Yep.

Queenslander's seem to have a broader accent (broader then other broad if you know what I mean) and Tasmanian's seem to have a touch of Kiwi in their accent.

 

[Caesar]

Also, on the geographical distance, do you reckon Australians could have regionalised accents in the future? In my opinion, I reckon Australian accents are so 'the same' due to the youngness of our country. We really haven't had enough time to start distinguishing ourselves.

The age of our country definitely contributes to it. But it's unlikely that regional accents will become more pronounced, due to population shifts and improved communications. You only have to look at trends with regional accents in somewhere like the US, where the generic midwestern accent is becoming a lot more common right across the country.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

The age of our country definitely contributes to it. But it's unlikely that regional accents will become more pronounced, due to population shifts and improved communications. You only have to look at trends with regional accents in somewhere like the US, where the generic midwestern accent is becoming a lot more common right across the country.

I would tend to agree with Caesar here, if anything the English speaking world will speak with a US mid-west accent. Further regionalisation is unlikely due to communications and travel improvements. People live far less in their own communities than was the case until very late in the 20th century. In terms of access to the world, more has probably changed (for those in developed economies) in the last 20 years than in the whole history of homo sapiens before that.

There may be a backlash, where regional phrases come into higher use if people - whether through local pride or subconsciously - try to distinguish themselves from the greater mass of humanity. In Australia that might mean that some things which have gone out of favour but are recognisably Australian "cobber", "fair dinkum", etc, may make a come-back. I think that is unlikely, and it is not related to accents, but it is possible. The same would apply to a more local level.

 

[The_Reaper]

Singlish will probably become the international language.

 

[KDSnap]

And everyone really does have that upward shift in every sentence.

I have noticed that upward shift in Australians.... People from Pittsburgh and rural areas in western Pennsylvania tend to do that as well. It is almost like adding the "ay" or "eh" to the end of a sentence, (as was discussed earlier) but without adding that extra word.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I find it really hard to stop as well. "Do you think?" and "I really think" are pronounced the same way for me, as is the same for lots of Australians. There is supposed to be an upward change in the voice when you ask a question. But for Australian people, it's not really there.

 

[morri]

Oh I have heard ( and noticed that with expats) every sentence is a question

 

[The Speaker]

There was a good show on the ABC a few years back on the Australian accent, hosted by John Clarke, called "The Sounds of Aus".

I'm sure you'll find it on the internet somewhere. I did a while back (not on YouTube though).

EDIT: Found this bit though:

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[morri]

The worst accent I have heard , was the one of your former prime minister John Howard I think was his name.
Often enough you find people (some commentators) who have a subdued accent , I don't know if they tone it down for tv or whether they just havent got such a strong accent.

Also random lol: there was a year ten finishing school exam in Hamburg, Germany where the students had to do a listening comprehension .(listen to a person talking, and answer questions and gap texts to the afore heard passage.
It was a centralised exam all over Hamburg, and the exam had remarkably low marks, so they complained and it turned out that they had to listen to a clip of an Australian football player with a a very strong accent and a very unclear articulation .

 

[Silent Alarm]

There was a good show on the ABC a few years back on the Australian accent, hosted by John Clarke, called "The Sounds of Aus".

I'm sure you'll find it on the internet somewhere. I did a while back (not on YouTube though).

EDIT: Found this bit though:

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Yeah, I remember this but I never watched it. I might check it.

Also, funny how the screen grab is of her pitching her hand upward...

 

[The Speaker]

That channel has four other clips from the show as well, including:

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[BATTERY]

Here you go

http://clas.mq.edu.au/australian-voices/regional-accents

This is where i got it from

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=954379

 

[KDSnap]

One of the oddest accents I have heard is from an girl I knew in my college days, who moved to Sydney and became well-known in NSW. I found a couple videos online of her speeches, and it was so odd to hear her speak with that mild Australian accent. I bet she would sound very American to you, though.

 

[kfc1]

One of the oddest accents I have heard is from an girl I knew in my college days, who moved to Sydney and became well-known in NSW. I found a couple videos online of her speeches, and it was so odd to hear her speak with that mild Australian accent. I bet she would sound very American to you, though.

Kristina Keneally?