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http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25088170-5005401,00.html

Fremantle back youngster Rhys Palmer to overcome kicking problems
Article from: PerthNow
Kim (the Hack) Hagdorn
February 21, 2009 05:32pm

FREMANTLE officials claim midfield sensation Rhys Palmer can overcome the kicking bungles that threaten to prevent him joining the game's elite.

Improving Palmer's wayward kicking is a work in progress, with plans for the exciting left-footer to join the game's elite disposal exponents, according to Dockers development coach Steve Malaxos.

And Palmer is mentally and physically equipped to avoid the second-year blues as he enters another pressure-cooker AFL season as Fremantle's most marked midfielder.

He has undertaken a strategic kicking rehabilitation over summer, which is projected to peak in time for Freo's season opener against the Western Bulldogs late next month.

After recovering from a broken bone in his left foot in time to play in last Sunday's NAB Cup clash with Richmond, Palmer resumed his full kicking program last week.

He had seven kicks against the Tigers, but none hit the target.

Twice in a lively second half, with Fremantle's winning chances on the line, the hard-running follower had chances to ram home vital goals but missed crucial shots.

Palmer had 14 handballs, at an unusually low efficiency of 64 per cent. "It's a priority for us to improve his kicking and Rhys understands that," Malaxos said.

"He had technical issues that he's got to address, and they can take longer rather than shorter to improve.

"We've only recently been able to increase the volume of kicking that Rhys has been able to undertake and he's now receiving ongoing individual tuition."

Malaxos is confident that Palmer is well equipped to cope with high expectations and significantly increased physical attention from taggers this season after his stunning debut last year, when he collected the NAB Rising Star award.

Palmer averaged 23 possessions a game in his 20 appearances and is expected to cop each opposition's top run-with nullifier this year.

"Rhys is physically and mentally very tough ... he's got really good fundamentals to be able to cope with all of those pressures and he's working with (midfield coach) Barry Mitchell in all of our midfield strategies as another area of development to improve his game," Malaxos said.

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Dockers staff have identified increasing Palmer's already proven damaging influence around stoppages, with his disposals making him one of the most influential playmakers in the business.
As Palmer's inaugural AFL season evolved, his kicking and heavily scrutinised disposal efficiency improved marginally.

At the halfway point last season he was averaging 55 per cent efficiency with his kicking, while his handball disposals were hitting targets an impressive 84 per cent of the time.

By season's end, the game's finest newcomer had lifted his kicking accuracy to 64.3 per cent.

Palmer's off-season remedial program stalled when he took until early December to fully recover from a broken bone in his foot that he suffered in the last match of the season, against Collingwood.

Malaxos dismissed prospects that Freo's premier ball-gatherer will be the side's specific "go to" player, in tandem with star ruckman Aaron Sandilands.

Palmer was not under any specific directions to handball more often in last week's clash with Richmond as attempts to improve his kicking intensify.

"It's not a directive from the coaching staff," Malaxos said.

"With some of the (Richmond) zoning as players confronted him, Rhys had to draw an opponent a little bit when he had the ball, but he wasn't under any instructions to handball off more.

"I do think that it's good that Rhys brings more handball into his game and I see that as a development into his game."

Attempts to improve Palmer's wonky foot disposal included assessment from University of WA human movement experts.

Preparing the hard-core on-baller for expected closer attention from top opposition taggers has also been a top priority at Fremantle.

"I don't think he's elite yet, but he's certainly on the way to that category of player," Malaxos said.
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He is never going to be a great kick. It's not so much the accuracy, but also the depth, it's rare to see him kick it 50m. Let him continue to develop his inside game because that's where I think he will be able to do most damage
 

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pinkus maximus said:
He is never going to be a great kick. It's not so much the accuracy, but also the depth, it's rare to see him kick it 50m. Let him continue to develop his inside game because that's where I think he will be able to do most damage
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I saw him kick goals outside 50 for East Freo at WAFL level - I am convinced it is all up in the mind. And remember the first goal he kicked at AFL level?

He gets crunched a bit now and that hasn't helped his confidence during games - he has been rushing what he is doing.
 
you think Palmer Cant kick, you should see Shannon Byrnes...
Dont worry about it dockers, Harvey was never the greatest of kicks, neither is mitchell. He is still a gun pick up.
 
Ysaye said:
I saw him kick goals outside 50 for East Freo at WAFL level - I am convinced it is all up in the mind. And remember the first goal he kicked at AFL level?

He gets crunched a bit now and that hasn't helped his confidence during games - he has been rushing what he is doing.
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And quality articles such as this from Kim Hagdorn are written with that very fact in mind. Palmer's kicking is no worse than 95% of AFL players. There are very few elite disposers, and many of those have major flaws in other aspects of their game. Palmer would do well to watch number 5 from Carlton. He will soon realise his disposal is not a major issue.
 
his kicking can improve, but it is far from disasterous, he had a delayed preseason and in the first nab cup much struggled with his accuracy, its is nothing he cant tune up a bit on over the next few weeks.... all will be good:thumbsu:
 
I think any post that contains a Kim Hackdorn article should include a warning...something along the lines of;

"Hagdorn Alert - You Will Get Dumber If You Read This".

Good point by Malaxos that Hack and most others (definitely me included) have probably overlooked a bit. His foot injury affected the volume and the start date of his kicking work.

I too have seen him kick long in the WAFL, and also in the AFL. Depth isn't an issue, he's no Donut Dew but he isn't Chippalotta Carr either.
 
greenred said:
And quality articles such as this from Kim Hagdorn are written with that very fact in mind. Palmer's kicking is no worse than 95% of AFL players. There are very few elite disposers, and many of those have major flaws in other aspects of their game. Palmer would do well to watch number 5 from Carlton. He will soon realise his disposal is not a major issue.
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Come on Buddy, get your hand off it. Palmer would easily be in the bottom 25% of AFL players for disposal. Even the ones that go to a team mate end up putting them under pressure because it tumbles or wobbles to them. If you are happy with his disposals, then you have pretty low standards.
 
JayTeaDee said:
Come on Buddy, get your hand off it. Palmer would easily be in the bottom 25% of AFL players for disposal. Even the ones that go to a team mate end up putting them under pressure because it tumbles or wobbles to them. If you are happy with his disposals, then you have pretty low standards.
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Whatever you say Damian (or is that you Marcus?)
 

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JayTeaDee said:
Come on Buddy, get your hand off it. Palmer would easily be in the bottom 25% of AFL players for disposal. Even the ones that go to a team mate end up putting them under pressure because it tumbles or wobbles to them. If you are happy with his disposals, then you have pretty low standards.
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i think your being a bit harsh there...... he has average disposal... 50% i would say
 
Official FFC stats for last season shows Palmer with 68% disposal efficiency. I would guess that this is pretty much par for a high possession winning onballer.
 
yakamoto said:
Official FFC stats for last season shows Palmer with 68% disposal efficiency. I would guess that this is pretty much par for a high possession winning onballer.
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he gets a bum wrap, i think, the problem with those stats is that what is his handball efficiency compared with his kicking efficiency? either way it is blown way out of proportion and has only been brought up again because he had a bad game against the tiges..... funny thing though, masten couldnt hit the side of a barn against the pies...... havent heard much about that though.... :mad:
 
Kickett Punches Read said:
he gets a bum wrap, i think, the problem with those stats is that what is his handball efficiency compared with his kicking efficiency? either way it is blown way out of proportion and has only been brought up again because he had a bad game against the tiges..... funny thing though, masten couldnt hit the side of a barn against the pies...... havent heard much about that though.... :mad:
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most first year players have a lower disposal % because they aren't used to disposing of the ball under so much pressure. The reason it is brought up with Palmer is because the rest of his game is so good, critics need to find something to peg him down a notch

Judd had an outstanding first year yet people kept bringing up the fact that his kicking wasn't accurate enough
 
Gotta love the media. It's like Cris Tarrant, in his first year with us his conversion was quite good. Then prior to the Collingwood game Eddie and his channel 9 cronnies ran a smere campaign saying that Tarrant couldn't kick. When his conversion rate for us was actually pretty good.

But Tarrant lost all confidence with his kicking from then on and now they are trying to make him into a backman!!
 
themuddy#3 said:
you think Palmer Cant kick, you should see Shannon Byrnes...
Dont worry about it dockers, Harvey was never the greatest of kicks, neither is mitchell. He is still a gun pick up.
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My memory of Harvey was he was a very good kick either side, IIRC he kicked a lot of goals as a half forward early in his career.
Palmer in rehab.:eek:
 

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Kickett Punches Read said:
he gets a bum wrap, i think, the problem with those stats is that what is his handball efficiency compared with his kicking efficiency? either way it is blown way out of proportion and has only been brought up again because he had a bad game against the tiges..... funny thing though, masten couldnt hit the side of a barn against the pies...... havent heard much about that though.... :mad:
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I remember thinking that when i watched the game.. Palmers disposal will be fine... i agree with other posts saying that its all a beat up by the media because of isolated incidents from last year. For a first year player, a majority of his games had good-very good efficiency in his skills.

Kicking can be improved... desire/work ethic/heart is something that you are born with... Ill take Palmer any day of the week
 
freodog said:
Gotta love the media. It's like Cris Tarrant, in his first year with us his conversion was quite good. Then prior to the Collingwood game Eddie and his channel 9 cronnies ran a smere campaign saying that Tarrant couldn't kick. When his conversion rate for us was actually pretty good.

But Tarrant lost all confidence with his kicking from then on and now they are trying to make him into a backman!!
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Well lets just hope Palmer is mentally tougher than Tarrant.

I'd bet my life that he is actually. I doubt we have to worry about Palmer losing confidence in himself.
 
wtf is with the media do they expect palmer to be as good as buckley in his first season ????

he will get there in the end but the nuff nuffs in the media have to understand hes played less than 20 games of afl footy...
 
Simon Blacks disposal efficiency for 2008 was 66.60
He was in contention for a brownlow an u never ever hear anyone bagging his disposal.

Yet here we have a young up an coming star playing for fremantle with about the same stats an he is hammered by the media left right an centre.
It was his first year he had to deal with tight tags an the presence of bigger stronger bodies.
Other clubs fans will say we are just paranoid but we seriously get a raw deal from the media.
There clearly just trying to get into his head an make it play on his mind, an judging by that nab cup game i think its working.
Hard to ignore when morons in the media keep hammeriing it in to footy fans minds that hes a dud kick.

Like the aussie cricket team used to say we dont call it sledging its more like mental disintergration or something like that.

judds was 73.03
Luke ball 69.13
hack riewoldt 68.78
Kerr 69.35
priddis egurls next star midfielder haha 68.14
masten 61.76

As u can see no where near as bad as the media make him out to be.
No idea where to find career disposal efficiency for guys like black an cousins etc but i bet its not much better than Palmers.

I hope the coaching staff have people telling him for his position an role his stats arent bad compared to the elite players its all a media beat up an they need to be showing him stuff like those stats.
Unfortunately it looks like they fell for the beat up an are trying to change his kicking style etc an spending extra time working on it.

Yes it needs a little work but it was his first season ffs be positive with him an im sure it would of got better.
instead his head is gettin filled with all this crap
 
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I think you will find that his first half stats for last year were much better that the second half ...cause he got INJURED and had a niggle.....I figured he only played the last couple so he would have a chance at the Rising Star..

This Year.,,,,he hasn't had a full pre-season because he had surgery. And had only been kicking for tha last few weeks.....When I watched the re-play, I noticed him kicking on his right foot a couple of times when he didn't need to. Was the surgery on his left side? I really think he shouldn't have played against Richmond....
 
I think Palmer is the perfect investment, he's an inside ball winner who runs his opponent ragged and takes the game on, 9/10 times he makes the right decison by hand and draws many a player, this creates time and space for his teammates.

A little overblown but certainly an area to fine tune.
 

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