Pantar Fascitis... how do we stop this?

[TDRP]

First Nathan Bock then Chris Knights...

Looking into it a bit... the fact Knighta had to have surgery to fix it... something that is rarely done except as a last resort is a bit of a concern especially due to the risks of long term damage...

More concerning is that he tried to play through it by running on the outside of his feet which has then caused stress fractures.

We have 2 examples here where we have effectively lost players for more than 12 months... Bock may as well be doing pre-season now given his form.

Just wonder how many players these days are playing with sore feet. Is it preventable by properly assessing players running style, orthodics, shoes, early detection???

Whenever I hear someone reporting a player misses this week due to bruised or sore heal... alarm bells start ringing! It seems quicker to recover from a god damn broken leg than it does this kinda of injury.

EDIT: Thread title should read "Plantar Fasciitis"

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If we move to Adelaide Oval we'll no longer have to train in a car park so no more injuries

 

[Bicks]

If we move to Adelaide Oval we'll no longer have to train in a car park so no more injuries

This!!!!

 

[aneale]

only if they stop training out there.

just cos they move to AO don't think they will stop training on MBR categorically. The SANFL will probably still only let them train a couple of times on AAMI and they will probably get a couple on AO and everything else the same.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

^^^
Do you want to rethink that one aneale?

I won't quote it to give you a chance to edit it before everyone sees.

 

[aneale]

no, i'm reasonably satisfied that after 30 years of carparking it will remain the same hard cow paddock whether people park on it from 2014 or not.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Well it won't

 

[Vader]

A) it won't be a hard cow paddock, and
B) the SANFL won't have to be so precious about letting us train on Football Park, noting that it will rarely (if ever) be required for actual games.

 

[aneale]

Well it won't

compacted ground is compacted ground. So unless they dig down 10ft and fix it, it won't change. It will still be hard. Given what they had to do to stop the whole lot sink into the ocean, that ain't likely.

Hopefully Vader is right and the SANFL will just let them train solely on AAMI until they get to train on AO during week.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The 'ground' is a living breathing thing. Every time it rains it gets softer.

For ground to stay 'hard' it would need constant rolling/compression.

 

[aneale]

Ok, I better ring the curator at Adelaide Oval and let them know they don't need to roll the pitch anymore.

After 100 years of rolling and preparing pitches they must be permanently rock hard by now.

you mean the drop in they will now bring in because they can't have a hard cricket square in the middle of the main footy oval?

Sure, you do that.

Also a pretty major difference between a relatively light roller, and cars parking on it for 3-5 hours at a time 22 weeks a year. Not to mention last time I checked there weren't metres of tree logs under AO to stop it falling into a swamp.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

you mean the drop in they will now bring in because they can't have a hard cricket square in the middle of the main footy oval?

Sure, you do that.

Also a pretty major difference between a relatively light roller, and cars parking on it for 3-5 hours at a time 22 weeks a year. Not to mention last time I checked there weren't metres of tree logs under AO to stop it falling into a swamp.

Well I deleted the cricket pitch bit because it is too complicated to explain... but you were too quick!

So here we go. Cricket pitch soil (clay) expands when wet and contracts when dry. When preparing a pitch for a cricket game, a curator will actually 'wet roll' the pitch. They water the pitch and then roll it while it is damp. The expaning soil plus the compression from the rolling (2.5 tonnes-ish) means that the pitch gets very hard and the soil gets 'tight' - this allows for a good amount of bounce and 'spring' in the pitch.

In places like Indian they don't do this wet rolling so the pitches are low, slow and crumble. They actually get Aus. curators to go over and teach the curators in other countries about wet rolling... but I digress.

In winter when we play footy on wet days, the cricket pitch square is like a quagmire. The middle is slop. The worst thing though is if you get rain during the week and then a dry weekend. The cricket pitch soil has expanded with the moisture, the soil expands but then by game day the moisture has drained from the surface. That leaves you with a surface that is still very hard from the expanded soil but the surface is rough like sandpaper. Great fun to play on! That's why I try not to move out of the goalsquare.

As soon as we stop parking our cars on Max Basheer Reserve the surface will return to a normal state very quickly. It is hard now but you add in the coring and top dressing that is done, the natural stuff like rain, roots systems, even worms(!)... plus the irrigation system that is there and the currently hard surface gets broken down very quickly.

The natural softening that occurs to grass surfaces means that at Adelaide Oval the groundstaff even have to roll the outfield during winter to keep it in a decent, flat state ready for when cricket comes around again.

 

[Briggzy]

Oh dear, an argument, Burke's Backyard Style

I've suffered from Plantar fasciitis, painful as hell and I can understand why Knighta tried to redistribute the pressure on that foot. I can't believe Craigy and co let him play with the condition, surely they would of realised what would happen..

 

[Briggzy]

Also, not joining the debate, but it doesn't take a grass specialist to realise that eventually MBR will soften up if cars stop parking on it every weekend. It would probably take a while though and I can't see why they wouldn't just move to training on Footy Park once the move to the city occurs.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Oh dear, an argument, Burke's Backyard Style

Next week I'll let everyone know when and how often to prune your fruit trees so make sure you tune in.

 

[cammo84]

Carl is on the money, re: ground firmness. I'm a groundsman at a sporting facility, and some of our ovals are used for carparking for 5-6 weeks of the year. Up to 2-300 cars a day driving over the same patch makes for a pretty hard surface, but it's 4-5 months since we've had cars on the surface and it's now as soft as you would want it. During the summer, our cricket pitches are basically as hard as concrete, but after Wednesday's rain it's now an absolute bog. There's no need to worry, Max Basheer will return to normal soon after the cars stop and the irrigation/rain hits the ground.