Pat Cummins

[big_e]

Jesus H Christ, the kid doesn't even have 20 wickets in A-grade yet and we're trying to time his entry into the test team....

 

[Nugget1985]

Jesus H Christ, the kid doesn't even have 20 wickets in A-grade yet and we're trying to time his entry into the test team....

Exactly...

 

[Nugget1985]

If they are good enough - then they are old enough

You obviously don't watch too much cricket mate!! That is a terrible statement!!

 

[1990crow]

I think that if he is to be behind all these NSW quicks for the next two seasons it mightn't be too bad an idea to move to the redbacks where IMO he would get picked in our shield side as an opening bowler. Obviously NSW is his home and can understand people wanting him to wait his turn but the sooner we get 20 shield games into this kid the better he will be. Moniter the amount of overs he bowls as he fills out yes but I'd like to see him experienced at shield level by the age of 20 so we can genuinely consider him for the test team because we are screaming out for a strike bowler NOW. Plus SA has decent bowling pedigree for which we could get behind him.

 

[TheBrownlowMan37]

Or they need to be picked, instead of picking NSW batsmen who clearly do not have the technique to suceed in international cricket.

Care to give examples? Smith is the only obvious one, with Hughes bursting onto the scene with no obvious technical difficulties until teams worked on him.

Leave that state bias crap out of this thread please.

 

[peternorth]

foxsports already promoting him

 

[The Passenger]

...an so another thread is ruined by this anti-NSW paranoia.

ignore it man. trust me. it can do your insanity in.

the best thing for this kid right now is to finish these 20-20 games and just get back into grade cricket and bowl well for the rest of this season. after that have four months off with a bit of training and get ready to reload next season.... he's started to make a few headlines, but it will do him a world of good just to get out of them for a little while.

unfortunately, as i said about 10 posts back... you can already hear the ipl cheque books opening..... :-/ all in due course but gotta be managed well for now.

 

[King Elvis]

Spot on Thunder.

Mitch Marsh is another one who worries me - I almost think we should forget about him as a bowler and have him focus purely on batting, lest he injures himself constantly and we never see him excel at either.

 

[The Passenger]

i'd love to see some more of mitch marsh. seen very little. his performances at state level thus far have been underwheling (actually shit is probably closer to the approriate description). but i feel he may have been pushed through a bit quick. dont get me wrong - thats not say he isnt talented.

i'm firmly of the belief that movement through the levels should be a combination of both talent (and identifying that talent) and their performances at adult level's(i.e. first grade).... marsh's performances in Perth A grade were not that flash. i've had a few beers right now but from what i remember he got a big 100 a couple of years back but not much since.... for what it's worth Cummins hasn't set the world on fire for Penrith either. 18 wickets at 24. not many wickets but his average is solid. but for that reason i'd still like him to spend another year or so getting wickets. i always feel more confident about a guy who has had at least a couple of years of good first grade performances behind him...

the beauty of cricket is that you can play it till 35. so you don't need to rush things. ok i know i got a bit excited saying "i can't wait to see cummins and pattinson in four years time" but that's more fan excitement than anything else. the reality is we have a serious talent on our hand and we've gotta look after it. it may or may not happen.

don't have to read much of my posts to realise how much i think 20-20 is a curse, particularly on fast bowlers. I really don't wanna see Cummins become one of victims of 20-20. But all the same same, he's a serious prospect. In the last 10 to 15 years i'd put him in the top five quick bowling talents. Brett Lee and James Pattinson would definately be two of the others. i can't be ****ed thinking of the others.

 

[laminex]

People can bitch about NSW bias as much as they like, the fact of the matter is that they have some serious talent coming through. SOMEONE is doing SOMETHING right.

Like who, and what are you doing right?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

i'd love to see some more of mitch marsh. seen very little. his performances at state level thus far have been underwheling (actually shit is probably closer to the approriate description). but i feel he may have been pushed through a bit quick. dont get me wrong - thats not say he isnt talented.

i'm firmly of the belief that movement through the levels should be a combination of both talent (and identifying that talent) and their performances at adult level's(i.e. first grade).... marsh's performances in Perth A grade were not that flash. i've had a few beers right now but from what i remember he got a big 100 a couple of years back but not much since....

Marsh chopped up at Grade level this season, some big scores and fairly consistent when playing for Fremantle.

Last season he was very good as well, and scored a record breaking 200+ score if memory serves me correctly.

Mitch earned his spot in our Sheffield Shield/ODD teams, it is wrong to say he didn't.

He hasn't had too much success at First Class level yet, but he has been very good with the bat (and getting better with the ball) in ODD cricket so far. Averages 41 with the bat, with a strike rate of 95, and just over 30 with the ball, I can't wait until he brings those figures into the longer form of the game!

 

[dan warna]

wont be allowed to get personalised number plates.

 

[dan warna]

previously the only form of cricket was the long form.

now bowlers are expected to bowl in T20, odi's and the long form.

Even then we had breakdowns from just playing the long form, lillee, bruce reid come to mind from he 70s and 80s. More recently Hughes, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath have had to modify their run ups due to impact on their feet and backs.

I think nursing players who haven't finished their growth and not overworking them is a GOOD thing.

Bowling tends to be harder on the body according the press released medical research over the years than many other sports.

Talk of rushing them into the test team is stupid. We have enough of carrying players before they are ready, and we've seen too many young bowlers blow up due to the work load expected of them.

 

[skipper kelly]

Back problems go hand in hand with fast bowling. I'm undecided whether you mollycoddle players or just let them bowl. 17 yo though seems a bit young to go hard.

 

[Langford4FBOTC]

Caught him in the QLD game the other night. The thing that impressed me more than his pace was the length he bowled. Good control and consistency for such a young guy. Reminded me of Gillespie a little with the whippy action..... as a batsman, they always come onto you a bit quicker than you expect.

For all the talk and excitement though, he's nothing more than a very good prospect at this stage.

As for the tug of war thing... says a lot about the current state of Australian cricket that there isn't a clear and well respected development path for our next generation.

 

[Spook]

Spot on Thunder.

Mitch Marsh is another one who worries me - I almost think we should forget about him as a bowler and have him focus purely on batting, lest he injures himself constantly and we never see him excel at either.

M Marsh averages about 16 in FC cricket... like many of the next generation he is not even up to FC level as a bat.... He will however be a good OD all rounder

 

[legend166]

We've been coddling bowlers and managing work loads for the last 15 years at least and it hasn't done one bit in reducing fast bowling injuries.

 

[Santana]

M Marsh averages about 16 in FC cricket... like many of the next generation he is not even up to FC level as a bat.... He will however be a good OD all rounder

Are you seriously suggesting that at the age of 19 and after 10 games Marsh will never make it at FC level?

 

[skipper kelly]

Bill has been doing it for over 30 years with Victoria. People just laugh. If people take Slater seriously then they have the issue. I doubt Slater even takes himself seriously.

 

[apollo_creed]

Cummins does look fantastic. Seam position, speed, smooth action, steep bounce.
He has all the tools to be very successful at the highest level.

If all the other fast bowlers keep being shit/****ing up he'll probably be in there very soon.

 

[The Passenger]

Marsh chopped up at Grade level this season, some big scores and fairly consistent when playing for Fremantle.

Last season he was very good as well, and scored a record breaking 200+ score if memory serves me correctly.

Mitch earned his spot in our Sheffield Shield/ODD teams, it is wrong to say he didn't.

He hasn't had too much success at First Class level yet, but he has been very good with the bat (and getting better with the ball) in ODD cricket so far. Averages 41 with the bat, with a strike rate of 95, and just over 30 with the ball, I can't wait until he brings those figures into the longer form of the game!

just having a look at his scores now. great season in 08/09. 542 runs at 60 including a double century. got bought into the WA team on the back of that season. 214 at 43 since but hasn't played much due to state committments.

one thing i didn't realise is at all forms how little he has bowled. has he had injuries?? he would seem very under utilized for a guy that can bowl 130km+... he didn't bowl at all in 2009/10. from 06/07 he has played 38 games of grade cricket he has bowled 83 overs... much the same at state level. 7 overs a match in First Class games, 3 overs a match in 50-over cricket....

I thought he was a genuine batting all rounder like Watson, but he is getting about the same amount of time bowling as someone like Greg Blewett but Blewett was a genuine part time bowler. Marsh looks like a decent enough bowler. Haven't seen much of him but he's action is pretty solid nice and high and he has got enough pace - although he doesn't hit the bat very hard. Admittedly a first class bowling average of 91 may not inspire much confidence in his captain but he is only ten games into his career.

 

[Spook]

Are you seriously suggesting that at the age of 19 and after 10 games Marsh will never make it at FC level?

Yes. I do not believe he will be a profound first class run scorer who will knock on the door for a baggy green. He will however play a fair bit of limited overs stuff. I have watched a few of his innings and I do not believe he has 'it' compared with others. remember that only a very few play test cricket and all of those should have outstanding FC performances (OK things are a bit weird at the moment with selection)

 

[The Passenger]

he was probably bought into the first class set up too quickly. he had only just turned 18 when he played his first match. that is very young. he had a good 08/09 as a 17 year old with 540 runs at 60, but it's not like that is out of this world good. it wouldn't have hurt for him to cut his teeth at first grade level for another season, maybe even two more seasons.

Alex Keath is another. i get the impression he is next cab off the rank for Victoria (or Ryan Carters) and as talented as he is and looks pretty good at the crease, it wouldn't hurt for him to have more than one score above 50 (105*) in first grade before giving him a run at shield level.

 

[placebo]

Yes. I do not believe he will be a profound first class run scorer who will knock on the door for a baggy green. He will however play a fair bit of limited overs stuff. I have watched a few of his innings and I do not believe he has 'it' compared with others. remember that only a very few play test cricket and all of those should have outstanding FC performances (OK things are a bit weird at the moment with selection)

You've watched a 'few' of his innings and are saying he'll never make it?


That is downright idiotic.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Definitely looks promising, hes been rushing the batsmen a fair bit. Hes already clocking 145km/h so no reason why he can't add an extra 5km/h at the very least. Good to see we have some raw pace as hasn't been much since Tait and Lee.

And the speed guns in the Foxtel games seem to be a few kmh's behind that of those in the international games. Blokes that are getting clocked at 143 or so in the Big Bash (like Siddle, etc) are the ones that are regularly around 150 when they play for Australia. So Cummins may be around the 150kmh mark already, which is awesome.
Being from NSW, he's a monty to play for Australia within 12 months.