Player Watch Patrick Lipinski

[Jen2310]

I think it’s easy to forget he’s just barely scraped past the 50 game milestone so still very much a developing product.

And still learning the midfield role too. People should be happy with where he is at. Averaging over 23/24 touches and a goal a game. Take that any day of the week.

 

[Pistol Night]

Nice article in The Age: Perfect Pat: Why likeable Lipinski has made instant impact at Magpies

"The Eclipse". There's 2 of us?

 

[sideswipe]

"The Eclipse". There's 2 of us?

I was going to go with a fat joke about you being called Eclipse because on entering a room, you block out the sun. But then I thought, I can't do that, what if he really is a f-t cnt? You know, one of your mates who is past the acceptable threshold for fat jokes?

 

[sr36]

I think it’s easy to forget he’s just barely scraped past the 50 game milestone so still very much a developing product.

And he's only just developed the size to play his style of game. He'll continue to add size and improve his game as he's only 23. We've got a good solid cog at the least.

 

[jathanas]

I risk incurring Jen's wrath but agree that Lippa had a quiet one against Geelong (when his output is compared to his first 2 games). We should give every player a fair chance to develop, so far he has proved himself to be an asset to the club.

Moore was also down by his standards so was Maynard. They had bad games but nobody is throwing "soft" labels at them.

They're human... it's impossible to maintain the same output every week.

 

[Pistol Night]

I was going to go with a fat joke about you being called Eclipse because on entering a room, you block out the sun. But then I thought, I can't do that, what if he really is a f-t cnt? You know, one of your mates who is past the acceptable threshold for fat jokes?

Fair to say im not quite at my playing weight, but i still buy clothes off the rack and can suck my guts in long enough walking into a head wind to look respectable.

 

[sideswipe]

Fair to say im not quite at my playing weight, but i still buy clothes off the rack and can suck my guts in long enough walking into a head wind to look respectable.

 

[Dundalis]

We nearly won a flag with Brayden Sier as a key component of our midfield. Richmond has won multiple with heaps of incredibly flawed midfielders. I think Lipinski is absolutely fine. A smooth mover with elite disposal and a good goal sense is an easy guy to cover.

Not sure what the correlation is here. Sier was a pure inside mid. In 2018 53% of his possessions were contested. He also had some burst from stoppages than Lipinski doesn't have. 34% of Lipinksi's possessions are contested, and that has been pretty consistent across his whole career. That's about as outside as you can get.

He was skinny when he started at Dogs - he's gradually built up in size, but you couldn't have expected him in his first few years to be able to really bustle on the inside. He's still only 23 - in a couple of years time, he'll have the body to be an inside weapon.

That's the thing. He easily has the body to be an inside mid right now, look at his physique, he's got the broad shoulders and he is filled out. He's 6 years into the system, you are not going to bulk up that much between age 23 and lets say 26-27. Joel Selwood has been scrawny his whole career, it's about the players inclination to be inside. Inside players are pretty much inside inclined right from the start of their career, regardless of body size, the only difference is their body doesn't allow them to win as much contested ball until they get stronger. I'd like to see an example of someone with such low ratio contested ball winning 6 years deep into their career who turned that around into their late 20's. I'd highly doubt there are any, but happy to be proven wrong.

Me saying he's a good piece, but not a key cog of a Premiership winning midfield shouldn't be taken as a negative anyway, as mentioned we got him for cheap, so being a solid cog in the team, with concerns about projecting him as some top level midfielder moving forward should still be considered a big positive.

 

[sr36]

That's the thing. He easily has the body to be an inside mid right now, look at his physique, he's got the broad shoulders and he is filled out. He's 6 years into the system, you are not going to bulk up that much between age 23 and lets say 26-27. Joel Selwood has been scrawny his whole career, it's about the players inclination to be inside. Inside players are pretty much inside inclined right from the start of their career, regardless of body size, the only difference is their body doesn't allow them to win as much contested ball until they get stronger. I'd like to see an example of someone with such low ratio contested ball winning 6 years deep into their career who turned that around into their late 20's. I'd highly doubt there are any.

In terms of contested possession ratios - that isn't just about the player, it's also about the role. Eg, when Sidey plays inside, he gets his share - on the outside he doesn't get many. Lipinski was pretty much exclusively outside for the Doggies. But I agree that he's unlikely to become a premiership difference maker, but could become a decent cog in a premiership team. Ideally though, in a good team, I think he's that guy who starts high half forward with 6-6-6, who then slides up into the midfield for general play and also chops out the main centre square mids.

 

[Kirby]

I do think he needs to work on his tackling as he got shrugged off a bit too easy on Saturday night. Might have just been a bad night for him.

 

[Dundalis]

In terms of contested possession ratios - that isn't just about the player, it's also about the role. Eg, when Sidey plays inside, he gets his share - on the outside he doesn't get many. Lipinski was pretty much exclusively outside for the Doggies. But I agree that he's unlikely to become a premiership difference maker, but could become a decent cog in a premiership team. Ideally though, in a good team, I think he's that guy who starts high half forward with 6-6-6, who then slides up into the midfield for general play and also chops out the main centre square mids.

I do agree with that, but you can also use the eye test to gauge the players appetite for the contest. Sidey has never been as passive towards the contest, whether in the guts or on the wing, at any point in his career. He also has nowhere near the size Lipinski has.

I agree about the role you have for him being more ideal, my issue is what attributes you prefer in a role like that. For me I'd prefer someone with a lot more burst and athletic explosiveness to be playing that type of role. i.e. Someone like Reef McInnes. I just see a problem with his attributes matching his ideal role moving forward, as any role you could think to put him in, I would hope we develop someone with more apt attributes to play that role when we are in our contending window. Unless he somehow magically turns into an inside beast in 2-3 years in which case his attributes are perfect.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Not sure what the correlation is here. Sier was a pure inside mid. In 2018 53% of his possessions were contested. He also had some burst from stoppages than Lipinski doesn't have. 34% of Lipinksi's possessions are contested, and that has been pretty consistent across his whole career. That's about as outside as you can get.

That's the thing. He easily has the body to be an inside mid right now, look at his physique, he's got the broad shoulders and he is filled out. He's 6 years into the system, you are not going to bulk up that much between age 23 and lets say 26-27. Joel Selwood has been scrawny his whole career, it's about the players inclination to be inside. Inside players are pretty much inside inclined right from the start of their career, regardless of body size, the only difference is their body doesn't allow them to win as much contested ball until they get stronger. I'd like to see an example of someone with such low ratio contested ball winning 6 years deep into their career who turned that around into their late 20's. I'd highly doubt there are any, but happy to be proven wrong.

Me saying he's a good piece, but not a key cog of a Premiership winning midfield shouldn't be taken as a negative anyway, as mentioned we got him for cheap, so being a solid cog in the team, with concerns about projecting him as some top level midfielder moving forward should still be considered a big positive.

Sier at his best was more impressive than Lipinski (from what I have seen of L) playing an inside mid role.

 

[Dundalis]

Sier at his best was more impressive than Lipinski (from what I have seen of L) playing an inside mid role.

Sier was literally on track to being our Cripps/Oliver style inside mid. That was his clear trajectory if he actually had any semblance of work ethic.

 

[gouki88]

Not sure what the correlation is here. Sier was a pure inside mid. In 2018 53% of his possessions were contested. He also had some burst from stoppages than Lipinski doesn't have. 34% of Lipinksi's possessions are contested, and that has been pretty consistent across his whole career. That's about as outside as you can get.

That's the thing. He easily has the body to be an inside mid right now, look at his physique, he's got the broad shoulders and he is filled out. He's 6 years into the system, you are not going to bulk up that much between age 23 and lets say 26-27. Joel Selwood has been scrawny his whole career, it's about the players inclination to be inside. Inside players are pretty much inside inclined right from the start of their career, regardless of body size, the only difference is their body doesn't allow them to win as much contested ball until they get stronger. I'd like to see an example of someone with such low ratio contested ball winning 6 years deep into their career who turned that around into their late 20's. I'd highly doubt there are any, but happy to be proven wrong.

Me saying he's a good piece, but not a key cog of a Premiership winning midfield shouldn't be taken as a negative anyway, as mentioned we got him for cheap, so being a solid cog in the team, with concerns about projecting him as some top level midfielder moving forward should still be considered a big positive.

The correlation being that good teams have covered for players with significantly worse flaws than Lippa for decades. I have no doubt we can/will do the same.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

I think the problem is a lot of Collingwood supporters have overestimated the contribution Lipinski has made to the side, which has been exacerbated by Craig McRae

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talking him up. It's not a physique issue. His physique is fine. More an age and experience issue. His two way running needs a lot of work as you'd expect for a player with less than 50 games experience. He's not overly quick either. The upside is he's a much better kick than either Adams or Crisp, so is a much needed boost to our midfield which lacks height, since Pendlebury has shifted to now playing more behind the ball. The two that are really going to take us forward in the midfield over the next several years are MaCrae and McInnes. Lipinski is a great stop gap measure until the other two bodies mature.

 

[Kirby]

I think the problem is a lot of Collingwood supporters have overestimated the contribution Lipinski has made to the side, which has been exacerbated by Craig McRae talking him up. It's not a physique issue. His physique is fine. More an age and experience issue. His two way running needs a lot of work as you'd expect for a player with less than 50 games experience. He's not overly quick either. The upside is he's a much better kick than either Adams or Crisp, so is a much needed boost to our midfield which lacks height, since Pendlebury has shifted to now playing more behind the ball. The two that are really going to take us forward in the midfield over the next several years are MaCrae and McInnes. Lipinski is a great stop gap measure until the other two bodies mature.

Young Daics might be pretty handy in the midfield too

 

[Jen2310]

He's doing fine. Wasnt gonna get 30+ a game every week. Playing mid forward averaging a goal a game. Doesn't need to always stand out. He plays his role. Compliments what we have, which was always the point.
Had the 4th most tackles. 6 score involvements and only attended 7 Centre Bounces.

Ease up haha

 

[sr36]

I do agree with that, but you can also use the eye test to gauge the players appetite for the contest. Sidey has never been as passive towards the contest, whether in the guts or on the wing, at any point in his career. He also has nowhere near the size Lipinski has.

I agree about the role you have for him being more ideal, my issue is what attributes you prefer in a role like that. For me I'd prefer someone with a lot more burst and athletic explosiveness to be playing that type of role. i.e. Someone like Reef McInnes. I just see a problem with his attributes matching his ideal role moving forward, as any role you could think to put him in, I would hope we develop someone with more apt attributes to play that role when we are in our contending window. Unless he somehow magically turns into an inside beast in 2-3 years in which case his attributes are perfect.

I think most teams play that high half forward, not as a forward, but like a traditional ruck rover, but who doesn't attend stoppage. The explosive guys like Reef are more likely to attend stoppage and move forward crossing over with the high half forward.

 

[Pistol Night]

I think most teams play that high half forward, not as a forward, but like a traditional ruck rover, but who doesn't attend stoppage

West Coast do it literally with Rioli

 

[sr36]

West Coast do it literally with Rioli

I think Henry may start games as a high half forward. Langdon starting position used to be too high.

 

[TradeDraft]

I risk incurring Jen's wrath but agree that Lippa had a quiet one against Geelong (when his output is compared to his first 2 games). We should give every player a fair chance to develop, so far he has proved himself to be an asset to the club.

Moore was also down by his standards so was Maynard. They had bad games but nobody is throwing "soft" labels at them.

They're human... it's impossible to maintain the same output every week.

I never said I don't not Rate Lipinski just saying he was Quiet and a Few Things Dogs Fans said he not so good at showed up a Bit vs Cats

 

[ManOfClay]

People are going to be harsh on Lippa because of how good he went round 1. He isn’t going to be that all the time and it would be unfair to hold a 50 gamer to that standard.

In a roundabout way the dogs upgraded to Treloar but 29 year old lipinski could get to that level

 

[legendstatus]

People are going to be harsh on Lippa because of how good he went round 1. He isn’t going to be that all the time and it would be unfair to hold a 50 gamer to that standard.

In a roundabout way the dogs upgraded to Treloar but 29 year old lipinski could get to that level

Thanks Lippa


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[ManOfClay]

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That’s Mrs lippa to you

 

[whiskeytown]

21 touches at 90%, 2 clearances and 6 tackles…

Not as influential this week… but if looking to place blame I’d be pointing the finger at others before Lipinski