Pavlich

[MaccasNeighbour]

Pardon my trolling, but id suggest a first round and stenglien for pavlich and a 3rd round.

this is trolling?

 

[Damp Squarie]

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Makes little sense to me he always looks ok on the field, the acusation is that he goes missing in big games.

I dunno what we would have to give away for him? But I'm damned sure it'll be a lot more than stinger.

It'll never happen.
I know another ex Freo player that goes missing from time to time in big games, perhaps we could swap with him.......hhhm

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pavlich has been criticised for not taking too many contested marks. Do you think that's a fair point? I'd say a CHF's bread and butter would be in contested marks.

I'm reading thre thread and seein the enthusiasm for Pavlich and thinking the same thing.

Let me say first he is a super player.

But as a tall he does not take contested marks at all, he does not use his physique as part of his gamestyle, and I can certainly understand the criticism from the Frmantle fans. Be careful they see him weekly and can't be all wrong.
He's playing as a midfielder where he uses his massive engine to advantage and has excellent hand and foot skills, and kicks the ball a mile. But he can be shown up by the pacey midfielders, but then again so can Roo.

He's been tried a season at CHF and a season at CHB with moderate success, again due to the fact he doesn't take contested marks or play a physical game. He is however highly flexible in that he can play most positions on the ground.

Yes I would love to have him! But my thinking ATM is I would prefer Walters and keep our 1st pick (lets say Monfies/Wood), thats 2 quality youngsters v Pav?
If we can orchestrate the deal without giving up the 1st pick (difficult I know) I would be more supportive)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's why he'd be more likely to make a good tall HFF rather than a CHF.

Yes I agree, or a running HBF - he could be very damaging running of the HB line through the centre with his long kicking.

 

[theorangeapple]

i dont think the problem with the palova is that is he doesnt take many contested marks. that is a slight glitch, he can take some great marks. its more that he plays very much a receiver role in the midfield, a role that 100kg 6'4 midfielders shouldnt be playing.
i think that he struggles to get his arms above his shoulders abit, he had alot of shoulder problems as a junior. it may just be practice / confidence as opposed to lack of ability.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

i dont think the problem with the palova is that is he doesnt take many contested marks. that is a slight glitch, he can take some great marks. its more that he plays very much a receiver role in the midfield, a role that 100kg 6'4 midfielders shouldnt be playing.
i think that he struggles to get his arms above his shoulders abit, he had alot of shoulder problems as a junior. it may just be practice / confidence as opposed to lack of ability.

Or is that how the coach has him playing?

 

[bluecrow]

I would be happy to give up anyone (except Roo of course) to get Pav! First round pick + player(s), McLeod to Port...I don't mind.

GET PAV!

 

[dreamkillers]

There is no way Port would give up Carr for just McLeod.

Why would a club give trade a 23yo Vice Captain who is in the coaches leadership group at the club and could possibly play for 10 more years for a player who appears to be past his best and due to injuries may only have 2-3 years left in him.............


Better get a bit more serious with the offers if you think that's going to happen

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Imagine Pav at CHF for us next year

I would go for PAV provided it is on our terms and not his. I would tell him to forget about playing on the ball, where I feel he is wasted, and concentrate on CHF.

 

[PAfolwr]

There is no way Port would give up Carr for just McLeod.

Why would a club give trade a 23yo Vice Captain who is in the coaches leadership group at the club and could possibly play for 10 more years for a player who appears to be past his best and due to injuries may only have 2-3 years left in him.............


Better get a bit more serious with the offers if you think that's going to happen

I'd missed this thread, and posted a question about this "rumour" on the other thread.
Assuming Carr does not change his mind and is set on going to Freo, I do believe there could be an interesting 4 way trade on the cards.
Nothing that I have heard, just gut feeling because of the various clubs needs and players that are tradable. hence my interest in the trading threads on this board.
I do think that there is a chance that Freo may entertain the idea of trading Pavlich. If not Pavlich, they do have other talls that can be traded.

However Carr for McLeod just ain't never going to happen.
One, he deserves to end his career at the Crows.
Two, like DK said, he is past his prime and Port will not trade for him unless it was massively skewed in our favour. Not to say he hasn't got a few good years left, he does, but not enough to make him worth chasing nowadays.
The crows will look for a ruckman IMO.

 

[birdmanptr]

I'd missed this thread, and posted a question about this "rumour" on the other thread.
Assuming Carr does not change his mind and is set on going to Freo, I do believe there could be an interesting 4 way trade on the cards.
Nothing that I have heard, just gut feeling because of the various clubs needs and players that are tradable. hence my interest in the trading threads on this board.
I do think that there is a chance that Freo may entertain the idea of trading Pavlich. If not Pavlich, they do have other talls that can be traded.

However Carr for McLeod just ain't never going to happen.
One, he deserves to end his career at the Crows.
Two, like DK said, he is past his prime and Port will not trade for him unless it was massively skewed in our favour. Not to say he hasn't got a few good years left, he does, but not enough to make him worth chasing nowadays.
The crows will look for a ruckman IMO.

He aint worth chasing cause he does not chase any more

 

[spindoctor]

I think Pavlich's decline has as much to do with Connolly's misuse of him as anything.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we have any reasonable opportunity to get Pavlich we should make sure we give it 100%. I have a feeling he will lift further playing in the guernsey of the team he grew up following.

 

[dreamkillers]

I have a feeling he will lift further playing in the guernsey of the team he grew up following.

West Torrens......

 

[crowie]

What is Pav's story? Stiffy you would probably be the one to ask, could you give me a brief outline from when he was drafted? All I know is that he played for WWT Eagles, supported the Crows and rejected going to the Power last year/year before or something.

 

[Stiffy_18]

What is Pav's story? Stiffy you would probably be the one to ask, could you give me a brief outline from when he was drafted? All I know is that he played for WWT Eagles, supported the Crows and rejected going to the Power last year/year before or something.

Drated in 1999 draft with pick 4 by the Dockers. Played all of his junior career as a CHF. Big strong lad with huge engine who was a pretty good mark. Can kick a mile and has fantastic skills for a bloke that size.

He started his career at freo as a forward playing along side his childhood hero in Modra. Then was moved to CHB and then eventually into midfield.

We could have got him the year we got Carey but we made achoice that we are paying for now. Port were a whisker away from getting him that year but he decided to stay with Freo.

At 192 cm and 100 Kg he would be a FANTASTIC get

 

[crowie]

Drated in 1999 draft with pick 4 by the Dockers. Played all of his junior career as a CHF. Big strong lad with huge engine who was a pretty good mark. Can kick a mile and has fantastic skills for a bloke that size.

He started his career at freo as a forward playing along side his childhood hero in Modra. Then was moved to CHB and then eventually into midfield.

We could have got him the year we got Carey but we made achoice that we are paying for now. Port were a whisker away from getting him that year but he decided to stay with Freo.

At 192 cm and 100 Kg he would be a FANTASTIC get

Good stuff chief! Gotta say that our vision was very clouded by the whole Carey saga, oh well...

 

[Crow-mosone]

However Carr for McLeod just ain't never going to happen.
One, he deserves to end his career at the Crows.
Two, like DK said, he is past his prime and Port will not trade for him unless it was massively skewed in our favour. Not to say he hasn't got a few good years left, he does, but not enough to make him worth chasing nowadays.
The crows will look for a ruckman IMO.

I can't figure for the life of me, why you think you're getting more than Mcleod for Carr. He's a genuine big game player, - how long do you think your premiership window will remain open?

from what i keep hearing you guys think it will remain this way permanently, it won't.

 

[Borscht Mat]

This is not a crows supporter suggesting that it is a good strategy to pay over the odds for an aging injury prone former champion in order to take that final elusive step for a flag is it ?

Ever heard of a guy called Carey ?

What is driving Port at this stage is Tredrea, Cornes *2, Burgs *2, Cassisi, Carr all of who are 26 or under.

Hardwick is a fringe player, James will be missed in a couple of years but Ebert & Salopek will have a go. Wakes will be missed but Mr D Wakelin is hardly the reason Port finished on top.

Carr > Mcloed
Carr > Johncock

You fill in the rest

I can't figure for the life of me, why you think you're getting more than Mcleod for Carr. He's a genuine big game player, - how long do you think your premiership window will remain open?

from what i keep hearing you guys think it will remain this way permanently, it won't.

 

[Crow-mosone]

This is not a crows supporter suggesting that it is a good strategy to pay over the odds for an aging injury prone former champion in order to take that final elusive step for a flag is it ?

Ever heard of a guy called Carey ?

What is driving Port at this stage is Tredrea, Cornes *2, Burgs *2, Cassisi, Carr all of who are 26 or under.

Hardwick is a fringe player, James will be missed in a couple of years but Ebert & Salopek will have a go. Wakes will be missed but Mr D Wakelin is hardly the reason Port finished on top.

Carr > Mcloed
Carr > Johncock

You fill in the rest

Ok, I keep forgetting about all the finals success you guys have had - why would you change a thing?

this is my point precisely you believe your window will always be open, and you can just wait for your turn at the flag.

 

[Portmanteau]

from what i keep hearing you guys think it will remain this way permanently, it won't.

It will remain open as long as we have Tredrea and C. Cornes. The bulk of our engine room have 10+ years ahead of them. So no, we don't expect the premiership window to be open permanently - but for a lot longer than others give credit for. Port supporters have been very lucky with out list management, it really has been second-to-none over this 3-4 year stretch. We are within a select group of clubs that have players the calibre of Ebert, Salopek, White and Surjan waiting in the wings.

 

[jc67]

White

White is out of contract and very ********ed of at not getting a fair chance.
If you guys dont play him in this final series I think he will be looking to go back west. maybe through the psd and 2 years in Vic.
Your list manag,ment is great but your player managment is not!

 

[Portmanteau]

White is out of contract and very ********ed of at not getting a fair chance.

Which of course goes against anything we've heard out of the club or its sources, where he's looking to re-up with PAFC due to the loyalty shown during his injuries.

 

[PAfolwr]

I can't figure for the life of me, why you think you're getting more than Mcleod for Carr. He's a genuine big game player, - how long do you think your premiership window will remain open?

from what i keep hearing you guys think it will remain this way permanently, it won't.

As Port supporters we always expect to have the window of opportunity open permanently.
If that sounds arrogant, than so be it. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
To do that than we must not try and take too many short cuts such as Carey and McLeod, but at the same time keep a balance between experience and up and coming replacements.
Where the Crows went wrong recently is that you have good oldies, potentially good young ones and an unforgivable gap in the middle.
McLeod would be good for Port, no question about that, however the price we would have to pay for him would not. It would set us back bigtime and not guarantee anything.

If he was to come at a different price however, than fine. By price one needs not only to think about what he would demand in the trade, but also his impact on our TPP. Our ever improving youngsters will demand and deserve a "rise". The Cornes brothers, Cassisi, JBurger, Ebert, White and big hopes on others such as Chaplin etc eventually.
By managing your list properly, you will be thereabouts all the time, and sure we have underachieved lately, but at the same time this has also been in an era where Brisbane have been as good as the best of all time. So a premiership in the last couple of years would have probably been out of the question anyway, even if we had not choked early in the finals.

At the moment we need a replacement for Hardwick. Soon it will be Hardwick, James, Wilson and Primus. Given a choice, McLeod doesn't fit the bill there no matter how good he is.
Having said all that, put it on record that I think he has been a great player and will probably still be for a couple of years yet. Would have been good had he been a Port boy all along, but that was not to be.

Wow. Not sure if that is all disjointed or not, but I was just taken out for a Fathers Day dinner. Tomorrow is Footy day, and hopefully it will be a good result this time.

 

[dreamkillers]

White is out of contract and very ********ed of at not getting a fair chance.
If you guys dont play him in this final series I think he will be looking to go back west. maybe through the psd and 2 years in Vic.

Which is the complete opposite of what we hear from inside the club where sure he's been disappointed at not getting too many opportunities this season but is very thankful the club kept him on the list for two years whilst he had persistant ankle injuries. He thought he was gone on at least 2 occasions but the playing and coaching group have faith in him and persisted with him when many clubs would have just dropped him.

As for being from the West sure he played in Perth for a few years but his petigree is from near Kalgoorlie and at the moment he's quite happy in Adelaide. He's in the process of signing a new contract now so we've got mo worries about losing him and he expects to make grab his spot in 2005.


Another point on Pavlich that was missed in stiffy's post was the fact both Adelaide based clubs passed over him in the 1998 draft when they had the chance to pick him up as a late pick or rookie.........I bet both clubs rue that decision now.