Paying too much?

[DoubleO7]

MM is being paid a ridiculous amount for a coach who has had 9 years to win the club a premiership or two.

Yes, he has brought the club close on a couple of occasion to the ultimate success but he did not take us all the way.

With his season win/loss ratio over the years at Collingwood, you would expect his salary to diminish somewhat.

To be perfectly honest, I am actually quite surprised to see MM top the coach's salary list.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Of course GF losses are not what we want but be realistic, we shouldnt have even been there and it spoke volumnes about his coaching ability and the players.
We didnt tank in 2004 and 2005. we just werent good enough and missed our window. We were a finals side but we werent in the top couples of teams. Port and Brisbane were those teams in those years.
Hawthorn are a freak side. They have a lot of youth but the general rule is when youth you get inconsistent results.

Look im as frustrated as the next supporter. We continually lose games we shouldnt and win games we shouldnt. We keep expecting our time to come and we r still waiting. What keeps me excited is the young crop of players that are coming through right now and you can tell that we will be right up there soon. I dont want to wait either.
I wish we could get a ruckman, i wish we could get a Fwd that can take the game by the neck, i want to shut peoples mouths about how much of a joke our club is.

im glad my sig bemuses you

 

[Invigoration]

Mick deserves every cent he gets. He continually gets us into the finals with a avg list which is now starting to develop and got us to 2 GFs which we should never have got in.
The side he is grooming will be a strong contender in the next few seasons.

He has had 10 years to make that 'average' list into a decent list.

People are insane if they think MM deserves this much, what a joke. Hope we have donated 9 million over the 10 years to the Mick Malthouse charity, surely there is more worthy causes, starving kids in Africa and what not...
We probably would have got better value you money as well... You get a little card with the name of the kid you are sponsoring, that's more than what we have to show from Mick

 

[FuManchu]

MM is being paid a ridiculous amount for a coach who has had 9 years to win the club a premiership or two.

Yes, he has brought the club close on a couple of occasion to the ultimate success but he did not take us all the way.

With his season win/loss ratio over the years at Collingwood, you would expect his salary to diminish somewhat.

To be perfectly honest, I am actually quite surprised to see MM top the coach's salary list.

I'm not, there's a cosy little arangement happening here.

MM is reaping the rewards of winning a flag or two a whole lifetime ago. And its a bit of a viscious circle: for Eddie to justify continually employing MM, he has to keep saying he is the best there is, so if he is the best there is, you have to pay him as the best.

The only problem is, in the 9 years MM has been at the club, there have been 7 other coaches that can claim to have been better than him! Sort of doesnt stack up.

But as long as he keeps dangling the carrot of 4ths and 5ths and 6ths and 7ths and 8ths, it is enough to please those who dont know any better.

 

[Rohan Coventry]

we shouldnt have even been there and it spoke volumnes about his coaching ability and the players.

It's irrelevant whether we have should have been there or not. Mick created the list in the first place, the buck stops there.

In 1999, he had the Number 1 & Number 3 Picks (which Mick downgraded).
In 2000, he had the Number 3 Pick.
In 2004, he had the Number 7 Pick (which Mick downgraded for Chad Morrison).
In 2005, he had the Number 2 & Number 5 Picks (that is 5 top 5 picks in 6 years).
In 2006, he had the Number 8 & Number 10 Picks.

There is absolutely no excuse for him having an average squad. Al Clarkson had less access to so many draft picks & has a flag to show for it.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

He has had 10 years to make that 'average' list into a decent list.

People are insane if they think MM deserves this much, what a joke. Hope we have donated 9 million over the 10 years to the Mick Malthouse charity, surely there is more worthy causes, starving kids in Africa and what not...
We probably would have got better value you money as well... You get a little card with the name of the kid you are sponsoring, that's more than what we have to show from Mick

its more then decent now. This is a finals side that should be pushing for top 4 honours.
If Collingwood dont show something this season and go deep into September i dont expect Mick to be there.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

It's irrelevant whether we have should have been there or not. Mick created the list in the first place, the buck stops there.

In 1999, he had the Number 1 & Number 3 Picks (which Mick downgraded).
In 2000, he had the Number 3 Pick.
In 2004, he had the Number 7 Pick (which Mick downgraded for Chad Morrison).
In 2005, he had the Number 2 & Number 5 Picks (that is 5 top 5 picks in 6 years).
In 2006, he had the Number 8 & Number 10 Picks.

There is absolutely no excuse for him having an average squad. Al Clarkson had less access to so many draft picks & has a flag to show for it.

i agree there is no reason having a avg squad right now and we dont. Its a top 4 squad barring no injuries or lengthy suspensions.
If we dont go deep into September he wont be around much longer.
No more excuses anymore. Realistically if we dont make at least the prelim then this season is a failure and goodbye Mick.

 

[FuManchu]

its more then decent now. This is a finals side that should be pushing for top 4 honours.
If Collingwood dont show something this season and go deep into September i dont expect Mick to be there.

is top 4 enough for you?

We have had 3 top 4's in his time, its not enough to be top 4 anymore!

MM cannot and will not take this list, our club, to a premiership. He hasnt got the game plan, he hasn't got the ability to recruit the right talent, he hasnt got the list management skills to do it. After 9 years, I think his abilities or lack of them are quite apparent.

Other clubs must laugh at us for persisiting with someone with such apparent shortfalls in todays game. But no......... we keep paying him above the odds anyway!

 

[DoubleO7]

is top 4 enough for you?

Nope, I want it all and I don't care what it takes!

We have had 3 top 4's in his time, its not enough to be top 4 anymore!

MM cannot and will not take this list, our club, to a premiership. He hasnt got the game plan, he hasn't got the ability to recruit the right talent, he hasnt got the list management skills to do it. After 9 years, I think his abilities or lack of them are quite apparent.

Other clubs must laugh at us for persisiting with someone with such apparent shortfalls in todays game. But no......... we keep paying him above the odds anyway!

Exactly right.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

is top 4 enough for you?

We have had 3 top 4's in his time, its not enough to be top 4 anymore!

MM cannot and will not take this list, our club, to a premiership. He hasnt got the game plan, he hasn't got the ability to recruit the right talent, he hasnt got the list management skills to do it. After 9 years, I think his abilities or lack of them are quite apparent.

Other clubs must laugh at us for persisiting with someone with such apparent shortfalls in todays game. But no......... we keep paying him above the odds anyway!

do u think its realistic to think we will or can win the flag this year considering how much better Geelong and Hawthorn are then us? Thats the only reason im saying Top 4 is a must and then go from there.
Its all about winning premierships. I have no problem if the club decide at seasons end that its time to severe ties with Mick.
Im not pro Mick and im not anti Mick, who ever can do the job better should be at the helm.

 

[FuManchu]

do u think its realistic to think we will or can win the flag this year considering how much better Geelong and Hawthorn are then us? Thats the only reason im saying Top 4 is a must and then go from there.

We are probably not top 4 this year, we may be about 5th to 7th. We were closer to a flag in 2007 than we are now. At least then we were only Rucks and midfield away, but our midfield was better then than now.

Even if we are 4th or even 3rd, what difference does it make, we may as well be 12th, because thats the gap between us and top 2. Where are we going to go next year without rucks, mature bodied mids, a key forward, perhaps two key mature bodied backs? Structurally we are way off the mark.

You can argue MM has done well with such obvious deficiencies, and yes to a degree. But he is the reason we have such deficiencies. He needs to run a footballing dept that covers all aspects not just one. He falls down all the time in achieveing what we expect.

Its all about winning premierships. I have no problem if the club decide at seasons end that its time to severe ties with Mick.
Im not pro Mick and im not anti Mick, who ever can do the job better should be at the helm.

5 years is usually an indication if you have the goods as coach. 9 years is an indication that the club has failed to recognise that the coach hasn't the goods

 

[mattys123]

There is no way in hell that Collingwood is paying MM as much as what Mike Sheahen guessed at.

At most, he would be receiving 600-700k a year from us, with the rest made up through sponsors and other commitments.

This is probably the most irresponsible and inaccurate list Mike has ever come up with, and as Rodney Eade said, let's guess his pay, as we would probably be as accurate as he has been.

Having said that, it wouldnt surprise me if MM was the highest paid coach, of the current coaches, he is the only 2 time premiership coach, he is the longest serving and most experienced, and if you were running a company, and MM was your CEO, he would be getting the most out of the current coaches.

Losing MM at the end of this year if either party decides that will be a massive blow to the pies, as all the names mentioned make me cringe.

 

[FuManchu]

There is no way in hell that Collingwood is paying MM as much as what Mike Sheahen guessed at.

At most, he would be receiving 600-700k a year from us, with the rest made up through sponsors and other commitments.

This is probably the most irresponsible and inaccurate list Mike has ever come up with, and as Rodney Eade said, let's guess his pay, as we would probably be as accurate as he has been.

Having said that, it wouldnt surprise me if MM was the highest paid coach, of the current coaches, he is the only 2 time premiership coach, he is the longest serving and most experienced, and if you were running a company, and MM was your CEO, he would be getting the most out of the current coaches.

Losing MM at the end of this year if either party decides that will be a massive blow to the pies, as all the names mentioned make me cringe.

If you were a CEO of a company and failed in the 14 years to meet the only KPI that matters you would have been forced out 10 years back.

 

[tess]

Did I start all this ..... ooops!

 

[recon]

is top 4 enough for you?

We have had 3 top 4's in his time, its not enough to be top 4 anymore!

MM cannot and will not take this list, our club, to a premiership. He hasnt got the game plan, he hasn't got the ability to recruit the right talent, he hasnt got the list management skills to do it. After 9 years, I think his abilities or lack of them are quite apparent.

Other clubs must laugh at us for persisiting with someone with such apparent shortfalls in todays game. But no......... we keep paying him above the odds anyway!

Couldn't agree more, whats he getting payed $900k for when his only tactic is to concede the centre corridor.

 

[Heater39]

It's Sheehan's 'estimate' so more than likely wrong, but how on earth can people say that 'he's worth every cent'. We haven't won a flag under him and don't come up with the luck bs because our list has never been the best in the comp. It is Malthouses job to build the list- just look at what Thomson and Clarkson did with their lists (no you can't just blame the recruiters, Malthouse has his say too). If he is the highest paid coach in the comp then we are overpaying.

 

[Ant85]

i agree there is no reason having a avg squad right now and we dont. Its a top 4 squad barring no injuries or lengthy suspensions.
If we dont go deep into September he wont be around much longer.
No more excuses anymore. Realistically if we dont make at least the prelim then this season is a failure and goodbye Mick.

I would be very surprised if MM was still around in 2010.

He has successfully transformed our team (albeit not the best as what he could and should've achieved in his time) in the past few years, but Fu is right, he doesn't have the capability to take us to a premiership.

List-wise, I think we're heading in the right direction, our players are developing, we need to touch up the midfield and snag a ruckman from somewhere, but we also need someone to lead the team to take the next step. I don't think MM is capable of doing that.

After a decade, we're in desperate need of an injection of fresh ideas, fresh blood and a fresh approach. I expect (and hope) that to come from Nathan Buckley.

 

[The Dan Fan]

**** thats alot of money. IMHO we are paying a bit too much when you consider the average and the outputs that we are getting. Then again i'm happy to at least wait till the end of the year to decide, if we make the top four or a semi final with the list we have i'm more than happy to keep him at that fixed rate until we get a better and cheaper coach to replace him. yes bucks, i'm looking at you . lol

 

[half_back_flank]

Micks worth it......Voss is the one that is getting grossly overpaid by about 350 thousand

 

[half_back_flank]

is top 4 enough for you?

We have had 3 top 4's in his time, its not enough to be top 4 anymore!

MM cannot and will not take this list, our club, to a premiership. He hasnt got the game plan, he hasn't got the ability to recruit the right talent, he hasnt got the list management skills to do it. After 9 years, I think his abilities or lack of them are quite apparent.

Other clubs must laugh at us for persisting with someone with such apparent shortfalls in todays game. But no......... we keep paying him above the odds anyway!

Geez im sick of everyone bagging out Mick, he deserves to be paid that much.
He took our club to within a bees dick of a premiership against one of the best sides in history with a salary cap advantage.
Plus its not just mick who is responsible for recruits and list management, and anyway, he has done a good job.
Mick has built a future premiership side, and all you MM haters will be eating your words.