"Peace" Protestors

[Horace]

Dry Rot, I think you will find that the greatest level of protest is coming in the US, Britain and Australia, the three aggressor countries. It is inevitable that those who oppose these types of wars, will go out to protest when their own country is involved.

I was certainly part of the Vitenam moratoriums, because I was fundamentally opposed to Australias involvement in a situation that it had no right to be involved in, and worse still conscripted young men who did not even have the right to vote, to go to that war, fight and die. I personally know of one such young man who was conscripted and killed in Vietnam and I know how much it affected his family.

 

[Horace]

Thanks Mantis, but sorry I am not Daisy Williams. I wish I could have played football half as good as him though. My closest ties to Daisy are that I once lived in Essendon for about 5 years and I have cousins, also not related to Daisy, whose surname is Williams.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Horace
Thanks Mantis, but sorry I am not Daisy Williams. I wish I could have played football half as good as him though. My closest ties to Daisy are that I once lived in Essendon for about 5 years and I have cousins, also not related to Daisy, whose surname is Williams.

 

[Diego]

We are scared of terrorism..that's why we all want world peace. We saw the images of Sept 11 and basically that scared the **** out of the whole world.

Why wasn't there peace protest like now during Gulf War 1? Why now..are we more aware than we were back then?

Another thing is all these middle aged baby boomers who are having an acid flashback to the Vietnam protest. I even posters for a night where Vietnam protesters were giving a speech on how it was. It seems to me like its in Vogue.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Horace

What the US, Britain and Australia have done is no better than when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939. What they have done has set a precedent for any nation which perceives that it has superior military might over some other nation, to just go ahead and invade.

That's right - Hitler invaded Poland to get rid of an oppressive government and to free the poles.
I think you'd better do some further history study.

 

[mantis]

Australia wasn't involved in the Gulf War, don't think us demonstrating here would have had an effect on the US.

Yes we are scared of terrorism, but do you think the way to get rid if it, is by wiping out half of the world.

Those Vietnam protests shortened the war & brought our boys home.

Next.

 

[Diego]

Originally posted by mantis
Australia wasn't involved in the Gulf War, don't think us demonstrating here would have had an effect on the US.

Yes we are scared of terroirsm, but do you think the way to get rid if it, is by wiping out half of the world.

Those Vietnam protests shortened the war & brought our boys home.

Next.

The vietnam war was gone by the time the troops came home.

 

[NakedDeadGuy]

Originally posted by mantis
Australia wasn't involved in the Gulf War

Over 1,800 Australian Defence personnel were deployed in the Gulf War from August 1990 to September 1991. The force comprised units from the Army, Navy and RAAF. In addition Army and RAAF provided personnel to Operation Habitat.

http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/gulf.htm

Huh? What have I missed here?

Next.

 

[The Ewok]

Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
Why wasn't there peace protest like now during Gulf War 1? Why now..are we more aware than we were back then?

There sure was protests

You had ALP pollies bawling their eyes out in parliament after Hawke sent Australian troops over there for Gulf War 1

There was marches in the streets, red paint all over the US Consulate in St. Kilda Road and the usual 'blood of oil' tripe, human shields in Baghdad etc etc

 

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
The vietnam war was gone by the time the troops came home.

In some ways I agree but it went on for more than 2 years after the last of our troops were withdrawn..........

 

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
Why wasn't there peace protest like now during Gulf War 1? Why now..are we more aware than we were back then?

There were peace protests back then as well...........maybe not as big but then our involvement was due to Iraq actually invading another country which is completely different to today's conflict.

 

[Horace]

Fred, now fill me in here, you agree with me that I'm right, ie Hitler invaded Poland, and the US, Britain and Australia have invaded Iraq, both on the pretext of getting rid of oppressive regimes. So wheres the need for some history study?.

The point that is applicable here is whether or not the current action is the most appropriate way to deal with such oppressive regimes. I happen to think that it is a highly inappropriate way to deal with the situation in Iraq, just as what Hitler did to start the 2nd World War was completely inappropriate. (And the word inappropriate is "inappropriately" inadequate to describe the horrors that both of these actions have started.)

May I suggest to you that you have some lessons in logic?

Or perhaps I am misunderstanding your point and in fact you are condoning the actions of the Hitler regime?

Whatever the case, may I suggest to you and others who support the use of the young men and women of the Coalition forces who have been sent off to kill and maim and be killed and maimed themselves, why don't you all volunteer to go over and take the places of those who are there against their wishes, are sh*t scared of being killed or maimed for life and let them come home safe.

Of course you won't. You are no different to Bush, Blair and Howard, who are old men who start wars, then send young men to fight them on their behalf. Gutless wonders.

Do us a favour and stop bagging people who are making a legitimate contribution by demonstrating and contributing to democracy.

 

[Pessimistic]

Originally posted by Fred
That's right - Hitler invaded Poland to get rid of an oppressive government and to free the poles.
I think you'd better do some further history study.

He probably said that as justification at the time.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by mantis
If we don't protest, then little johnny will think that we agree with this invasion, so we have to keep a high profile so he knows that we are still unhappy with his decision.

hate to break the news to you but more people are jumping to supporting the war as each day goes by.
I guess once people heard of the human shredding machines, rape and torture inflicted and weapons that hussein has, they decided to jump to pro war which I have been from the beginning.
Last I heard it was 50-50.

 

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
hate to break the news to you but more people are jumping to supporting the war as each day goes by.
I guess once people heard of the human shredding machines, rape and torture inflicted and weapons that hussein has, they decided to jump to pro war which I have been from the beginning.
Last I heard it was 50-50.

The same thing happened at the start of the Vietnam war.............perhaps you should do some research about it

 

[Pessimistic]

There willa lways be a swing towards pro-war in times of conflict. It's a natural thing to do - plus the media 'tighten up' and go protheir own side. eg basically the same thing being called different things (surgical strike v terror act).

It amazes me when people say Crean was 'following the polls' in taking his stand because clearly they wer going to g the other way, especially as the polls seem to have been 're-worded' somewhat.

Behind all this the libs are running a slick little political game.

If it's all percieved to have gone well - Johnny will puff up his chest and say the 'appropriate' things - watch out for a quickie election.

If it all goes pear-shaped - Johnny will resign and Costello - who has been VERY quiet on the issue - will take over and we'll get a moderate line and some distance - in terms of months will be put between the conflict and the next election

 

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Pessimistic
Behind all this the libs are running a slick little political game.

If it's all percieved to have gone well - Johnny will puff up his chest and say the 'appropriate' things - watch out for a quickie election.

If it all goes pear-shaped - Johnny will resign and Costello - who has been VERY quiet on the issue - will take over and we'll get a moderate line and some distance - in terms of months will be put between the conflict and the next election

Whilst at the same time the real issues that affect this country are swept under the carpet once again............

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by Horace



In todays mad mad world, led by such dangerous people as Bush, Blair and Howard, all we can hope for is that the message of the peace movement starts a momentum, just as the moratoriums of the 60's did, and eventually sanity will prevail.

No.

Today's, mad mad world? The world has always been mad.

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by Joel
No.

Today's, mad mad world? The world has always been mad.

Correct. But the world was a significantly more dangerous place in the 60s than now. More to life than paisly colored combis in San Fran and Sydney.

 

[myee8]

Horace, i admit i myself do not know of whether Hitler invaded Poland to get rid of an oppressive regime or not, but why did Hitler also invade Denmark, Norway, Luxemborg, Netherlands, Belgium, France, and a lot of Eastern Bloc countries? Somehow i don't think all had oppressive regimes.

 

[Malibu#27]

Originally posted by mantis
If we don't protest, then little johnny will think that we agree with this invasion, so we have to keep a high profile so he knows that we are still unhappy with his decision.

What do you mean by "we" ......


When did I give you permission to speak for me ?

 

[The Ewok]

The tossers were throwing red paint at the Defence Offices in Melbourne today and hurling 'war monger/Hitler' abuse at the Defence workers trying to get into their office

 

[Diego]

Originally posted by The Ewok
The tossers were throwing red paint at the Defence Offices in Melbourne today and hurling 'war monger/Hitler' abuse at the Defence workers trying to get into their office

and what did these dole bludgers and students think they would achieve..?

"oh I know lets go disrupt ppl who work"

I am really sick and tired of protest rallies. They aren't really achieving much and most of the students will become part of the system once they leave Uni and realise what a big bad world it is without a job etc.

I love the irony of these peace protest..delicious bit of irony actually.

 

[myee8]

Originally posted by The Ewok
The tossers were throwing red paint at the Defence Offices in Melbourne today and hurling 'war monger/Hitler' abuse at the Defence workers trying to get into their office

Those poor misguided souls, pity they don't realise that such public disturbances will only serve to alienate them from potential supporters of their cause. Come to think of it, it's probably the case of a lot of people agreeing with their ideology but not agreeing with their methods of protesting.

 

[Lestat]

Those poor misguided souls, pity they don't realise that such public disturbances will only serve to alienate them from potential supporters of their cause. Come to think of it, it's probably the case of a lot of people agreeing with their ideology but not agreeing with their methods of protesting.

Personally, I don't agree with there methods, and I think that protesting is really a waste of time, however I do agree with there cause.

However, good on em, for doing something that they believe may make a difference.

Its a democracy, they have a right to protest, and good on em for taking up that right.

Whats the alternative myee?? What do you suggest they do to show there govt that they do not approve of its actions??

What, do you think they should resort to violence?? Petitions?? What? I think its quite admirable that they can hold a peaceful protest. Its when it goes violent that I have a problem with it, as we should all. Vandalism is also pushing it I agree.

I think its pretty pathetic all those posters having a go at people protesting for a cause they strongly believe in. If you don't agree with the cause, fair enough. If you don't agree with the methods, then don't go.

I guess you think that Gandhi was a pathetic protester, a lefty organising those million man marches. What a loser hey?

And all those marching against aparthied. What dole bludging losers they were. Sheesh, the nerve of them.

I am really sick and tired of protest rallies. They aren't really achieving much and most of the students will become part of the system once they leave Uni and realise what a big bad world it is without a job etc.

sick and tired of protests?? Whys that? Have you been to any? If not, how can you be sick and tired of them.

Says alot, your sick and tired of protests, however you have no problems with watching bombs fall on Baghdad.

How come your not sick and tired of war???

Oh yeah, and of course all the protesters and dole bludgers and uni students.

Your post shows an accute lack of intelligence, and reality.