Pick 27

[Apex36]

Still not a Fan of short people. Most don't make it

Biggest myth in the AFL. Lots of small players have excellent careers.

Second biggest myth is that our team is too short. Only Blair and Elliott on our list are sub 180cm.

 

[Soups]

A small forward is different. A lot of our "short people" are pushing for midfield spots or playing a high half forward. We have no natural crumbing forward. With the picks we have who cares if someone is 175cm as long as they can swoop on a loose pill in the fwd 50 and kick a goal I will be happy.

 

[TradeDraft]

Biggest myth in the AFL. Lots of small players have excellent careers.

Second biggest myth is that our team is too short. Only Blair and Elliott on our list are sub 180cm.

What about Sub-175cm's? I can not think of many Below 175cm then been good. Can only think of Boomer and Blairy

 

[TradeDraft]

A small forward is different. A lot of our "short people" are pushing for midfield spots or playing a high half forward. We have no natural crumbing forward. With the picks we have who cares if someone is 175cm as long as they can swoop on a loose pill in the fwd 50 and kick a goal I will be happy.

Not at Pick 27. Pick 66 or late I could accept it

 

[MyManLynch]

Oh so they nominate them then? Oh I thought it was like F/S when nominating.

I believe so.
The academy clubs nominate, other clubs then bid, academy clubs either match bid with points or pass.
If pass, the bidding club would then be allocated that player using their bid pick.
I'm just not 100% sure if they nominate in advance or on the day.

 

[Soups]

Not at Pick 27. Pick 66 or late I could accept it

There's probably not going to be much difference between those picks though.

 

[MyManLynch]

Oh so they nominate them then? Oh I thought it was like F/S when nominating.

Actually just double checked. The Northern States already nominated their academy players back in October (so those players are now officially draft eligible).
However the bidding process will take place on draft day 24 November.
Collingwood can still bid for Himmelberg with pick 27 on draft day.
If GWS wish to match, they require 703 points (which they would easily have).
So if GWS wants him, he is there's.

GWS have 3,267 points to spend.

 

[AmellyPies]

Actually just double checked. The Northern States already nominated their academy players back in October (so those players are now officially draft eligible).
However the bidding process will take place on draft day 24 November.
Collingwood can still bid for Himmelberg with pick 27 on draft day.
If GWS wish to match, they require 703 points (which they would easily have).
So if GWS wants him, he is there's.

Oh Thanks!

 

[DoubleDraw7710]

We actually have very few left now, Dave, and he's apparently good overhead, damaging around goal and sticks his tackles whereas Blair, with all due respect to him, isn't damaging enough.

Blair plays like a tall in the forward line. He leads all the time he's not a crumber, unfortunately our players kick to him around the 50m arc which is beyond his range. I hate to bag premiership players but a small forward should kick 30+ goals a year. Blair's best year was 2011, 26 goals followed by 17, 14, 12 and 19 goals despite playing at least 20 games in each of those years.

 

[Pies63]

Blair plays like a tall in the forward line. He leads all the time he's not a crumber, unfortunately our players kick to him around the 50m arc which is beyond his range. I hate to bag premiership players but a small forward should kick 30+ goals a year. Blair's best year was 2011, 26 goals followed by 17, 14, 12 and 19 goals despite playing at least 20 games in each of those years.

To be honest I've been very disappointed in Blair's efforts over last season. Don't think he does enough a goes missing

 

[suspect footskills]

What about Sub-175cm's? I can not think of many Below 175cm then been good. Can only think of Boomer and Blairy

Libba

 

[Soaring Magpie]

Blair plays like a tall in the forward line. He leads all the time he's not a crumber, unfortunately our players kick to him around the 50m arc which is beyond his range. I hate to bag premiership players but a small forward should kick 30+ goals a year. Blair's best year was 2011, 26 goals followed by 17, 14, 12 and 19 goals despite playing at least 20 games in each of those years.

Blair is not the answer to our small forward problem, as you have shown.
I think a small forward should be targeted at pick 27, I really hope rioli is available

 

[popin]

You watch rioli when he jumps up for a mark and misses it but floating on the way down to the land on the ground he is already thinking about taking off to the chase the ball and crumb, tackle and put pressure on always thinking two steps ahead. Elliott and fas just go up for a mark, land and just stop pretty much and don't get involved the way rioli does. we need a medium/small pressure fwd who thinks and plays similar to rioli, easier said than done but a good wish list to have and hopefully they have a better endurance tank and more speed than Elliott and fas to would be nice .

 

[Tarkyn_24]

And norm smiths

And the right to be called my favourite player of all time...

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

A small forward is different. A lot of our "short people" are pushing for midfield spots or playing a high half forward. We have no natural crumbing forward. With the picks we have who cares if someone is 175cm as long as they can swoop on a loose pill in the fwd 50 and kick a goal I will be happy.

I think it's actually advantageous to play the front and square forward role as a person of lesser altitude. Blair is good at it, jake Neade is very good at it, Puopolo is first rate. Cometti describes him as 'a head high tackle waiting to happen' because when he throws himself into contests it's almost impossible for opposition players not to collect his head in the tackle. Blair often does this as well. Both players get many free shots on goal.

Shorter players also typically have greater agility and reaction times in crumbing, snapping for goal or applying forward pressure. I agree with the statements made above and that for this particular role on the ground we need to drop some of the typical anti midget prejudice that permeates this board.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

Ps the best small forward of the modern/recent era was probably Milne who came in at a towering 176cm. Bring on the midget I say.

 

[sr36]

There is so little time and space in the modern forward 50 that gun ground ball winning small forwards are bloody hard to come by and are basically gun midfielders without a tank. To me the only small forwards who would make a significant difference to our team are: Rioli, Walters, Betts and Wingard. Wingard will become a midfielder, rioli would be a midfielder if it wasn't for his hammies. Betts and Walters probably should have become midfielders, as they have all the attributes.

Our best small forward of recent years was Krakouer, who was recruited whilst playing and starring in WA as an inside midfielder. Before anyone says Davis and Didak - Davis played two good years - the first one when he finally built the tank to play as a midfielder/high half forward, the second one when he had the freedom of playing as a running defender. For the majority of his career, he was a flaky inconsistent forward pocket. Dids was a star playing high half forward/midfield.

The point I'm trying to make is that you don't recruit players to be small forwards, you recruit potential midfielders, you make sure that a lot of them have the scope to play in other positions, rather than being pure mids, because chances are if you are not good enough to play midfield in lower leagues, you probably won't be able to win a ground level ball in the most congested part of the ground - the Collingwood forward line.

 

[Hardas]

There is so little time and space in the modern forward 50 that gun ground ball winning small forwards are bloody hard to come by and are basically gun midfielders without a tank. To me the only small forwards who would make a significant difference to our team are: Rioli, Walters, Betts and Wingard. Wingard will become a midfielder, rioli would be a midfielder if it wasn't for his hammies. Betts and Walters probably should have become midfielders, as they have all the attributes.
Our best small forward of recent years was Krakouer, who was recruited whilst playing and starring in WA as an inside midfielder. Before anyone says Davis and Didak - Davis played two good years - the first one when he finally built the tank to play as a midfielder/high half forward, the second one when he had the freedom of playing as a running defender. For the majority of his career, he was a flaky inconsistent forward pocket. Dids was a star playing high half forward/midfield.
The point I'm trying to make is that you don't recruit players to be small forwards, you recruit potential midfielders, you make sure that a lot of them have the scope to play in other positions, rather than being pure mids, because chances are if you are not good enough to play midfield in lower leagues, you probably won't be able to win a ground level ball in the most congested part of the ground - the Collingwood forward line.

I get what you're saying, but I still think there can be at least one place on your list for someone to be more of a specialist goal sneak, especially if they have a fairly strong defensive side to their game.

 

[Nicco_jj]

Gee I loved watching Andy Krakouer play for us in 2011. Absolute gun. Sold candy like nobody's business! He is exactly what we need!

 

[Hardas]

Gee I loved watching Andy Krakouer play for us in 2011. Absolute gun. Sold candy like nobody's business! He is exactly what we need!

Yeah, he was great to watch.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Biggest myth in the AFL. Lots of small players have excellent careers.

Second biggest myth is that our team is too short. Only Blair and Elliott on our list are sub 180cm.

2-3 years of delistings and retirement have helped we had too many on the list at one point.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

What about Sub-175cm's? I can not think of many Below 175cm then been good. Can only think of Boomer and Blairy

Keep moving the height limit lower until you can say "see I told you"

 

[Kappa]

Keep moving the height limit lower until you can say "see I told you"

I'll be livid if we draft anyone under 120...

 

[Apex36]

2-3 years of delistings and retirement have helped we had too many on the list at one point.

You could say lots of things about our list if you add the caveat "at one point". We're talking about the presnt though, not the past.

 

[sr36]

I get what you're saying, but I still think there can be at least one place on your list for someone to be more of a specialist goal sneak, especially if they have a fairly strong defensive side to their game.

Wingard and Rioli were top 10 picks. Walters went later because he was perceived to have off-field issues. Betts went late, but that was a long time ago - it also took him ages to consistently contribute. The likelihood of us jagging a good one with our picks is extremely unlikely. I'd prefer us to back in our rotating mids like Swan, Sidebottom, Broomhead. It'll also give us the added advantage of more midfield run.