Pies relocation...WHAT THE??!!

[skelly12]

"THE AFL is not a level playing field. Andrew Demetriou admits the dominance of non-Victorian clubs is not just a passing phase.
Ten of the past 15 AFL premierships have been won by clubs outside Victoria.
The discussion about how many clubs play in Victoria has entered a new phase, and it is likely there will be a relocation of at least one club.
Many clubs have tested playing home matches interstate, with the Kangaroos' decision to play 10 games over the next three years on the Gold Coast (rather than in Canberra) the most recent, and possibly the most controversial.
They are part of a significant list. Melbourne has played home matches at the Gabba, the Western Bulldogs in Darwin, and Hawthorn in Launceston.
All these clubs made the decision for financial reasons. While this is understandable, the short-term financial position of clubs may not be the best method for determining the long-term structure of the AFL.
Two determining factors for deciding which clubs remain in Victoria are proposed as geographic spread and medium-to-long-term success.
If we split the Victorian clubs into regions, they would be north (Carlton, Collingwood, Kangaroos), south (St Kilda), east (Richmond, Hawthorn), west (Essendon, the Western Bulldogs) and central (Melbourne), with Geelong remaining as the only non-Melbourne Victorian team. Since the north is over-represented, the club that relocates should be from that region.
If we define success in premierships, the fact that Collingwood has won one flag since 1960 puts the Pies under pressure. The Kangaroos have won four in that time and Carlton eight.
While the proposal to relocate Collingwood would surprise many, and upset its fans, it has benefits.
One of the big problems with relocating is establishing a fan base. It took 15 years, much turmoil and ultimately success for Sydney to reach a sustainable level of support. Collingwood will not have this problem, being able to instantly attract supporters wherever it relocates. Playing home matches outside the state will help other Victorian clubs to attract fans"

Fair dinkum is this a joke, appeared in the Age today and wtf
Why would arguably the strongest Victorian club with state of the art facillities in Melbourne, won't to perish up north and destory the empire that we have come to know as the Collingwood Football Club

 

[WakeUpPies]

the ****? that guy can suck my dick

 

[Nardz]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/pies-ripe-for-relocation/2007/06/02/1180205577645.html

what an idiot.

 

[Frederlick]

It is an attempt at humor by The Age. They would also be desperate to try and sell more than 2 newspapers. Maybe even a dig at the AFL for their bumbling management of Melbourne footy. This could well be Demi's actual policy!

 

[3066]

Yeah its a troll printed by the Age. WTF?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Although its stupid - the writer does have a point, collingwood is the only team with a huge supporter base wherever it goes to play.

 

[catters05]

AFL have to stop this relocation stuff for NSW and QLD. Build 2 new teams.

 

[Brad Pearce]

That's karma for all the shit some of you guys gave us
But i wouldn't want to see you relocate anyway

 

[fritz and sauce]

Collingwood should relocate to Perth and merge with Swan Districts. After all, you did steal their guernsey design not long ago.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Collingwood should relocate to Perth and merge with Swan Districts. After all, you did steal their guernsey design not long ago.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Jabso]

Collingwood should relocate to Perth and merge with Swan Districts. After all, you did steal their guernsey design not long ago.

Perhaps Port Adelaide (the one in the SANFL the real Port Adelaide) can relocate to Collingwood for the same reasons.

 

[Lockyer24]

We're not relocating anywhere, we are taking over everywhere though

 

[Hadders]

It's a theoretical argument based solely on success in terms of premierships rather than any other (more important) factors.

Yes, of the three sides that are mentioned Collingwood have been the least successful in terms of premierships but in the same period Collingwood have been by far the most successful club of the three (and overall in Melbourne) financially.

Yet if this guy and the AFL believe that it is the lack of finances that is causing the inequality in the AFL how would removing the financially strongest team (and therefore the most capable of ending the interstate dominance) from Melbourne possibly solve the problem?

All this would do is erode the strength of Collingwood, by alienating a large number of its supporters, while still leaving two clubs (Carlton and North) that are financial basket cases in Melbourne.

He's saying that the size and strength of Collingwood is somehow stifling other clubs growth and that by relocating Collingwood it will allow the other clubs to grow, presumably with the disillusioned Collingwood supporters left over from the Pies relocation.

What a ridiculous argument. The majority of Collingwood supporters will never support another club. They'd either follow the new entity or stop supporting the AFL all together and without the might of Collingwood or it's supporter base in Melbourne the AFL would be dealt a severe blow that would greatly weaken every other Melbourne club (through reduced attendances throughout the year) and the entire competition.

 

[Chase the Ace]

Written by a Hawthorn supporter I see?????

 

[WakeUpPies]

gee why dont we merge with WCE

 

[david_345]

Yeh, I'm sure the AFL wants to relocate the biggest Melbourne drawcard it has. At the same time it's going to reduce the MCG capacity to 25,000 and play all games on Wednesdays at 7am.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Complete crap, but fair dinkum guys, this is a letter to the editor by a Hawthorn supporter - Not worth getting worked up about...

 

[fritz and sauce]

Perhaps Port Adelaide (the one in the SANFL the real Port Adelaide) can relocate to Collingwood for the same reasons.

You don't seem to remember what happened to the good old collingwood forever jumper. It's gone. The traditional collingwood jumper that the spin department didn't like has been dumped. Swan District's design is what collingwood now wear. Eddie said change it. He swapped your jumper to Swan Districts. This has nothing to do with Port Adelaide, unless the spin department has other plans for the collingwood army. You all seem to buy what the spin department wants.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Wow - You made little sense there...

We inverted black and white on our jumper. We didn't do it for any reason other than ushering in a new era at Collingwood.

Port Adelaide Magpies had little issue with changing from this number:

To this number:

To emulating Collingwood's Black and White stripes, which we have ALWAYS worn.

 

[Dazman]

That is the biggest load of crock I have ever read. Fair enough 3 teams north of the city but we are the most financially stable of them and we are clearly able to compete in the crowded Melbourne market quite well. A team that doesn't compete in the market should go.

And then to decide on premierships only to change the rules to premierships after 1960 to suit the argument. Who wrote it?

 

[Dazman]

Complete crap, but fair dinkum guys, this is a letter to the editor by a Hawthorn supporter - Not worth getting worked up about...

Thank god for that. For a minute there I thought this was the work of an eduacted and accredited journalist.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Stupid, stupid writer

 

[hawkus1]

Although its stupid - the writer does have a point, collingwood is the only team with a huge supporter base wherever it goes to play.

What point? The problem is flooding of the Victorian market, removing Collingwood is not going to help the other financially struggling clubs, it will simply mean Collingwood remains strong elsewhere.

Absolute stupidity that comment obviously doesn't have half a brain to think that one through.

1. We are so strong here and are a massive part of the competition, moving us is a risk so big it could affect the popularity of the entire competition.

2. There is more benefit in moving a weaker side out of Victoria where the competition isn't so great so that they can then pick up more members from a not so flooded state. I thought this was the point?

3. What a fricken ******... I seriously don't get his point at all, its probably one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

 

[fritz and sauce]

Wow - You made little sense there...

We inverted black and white on our jumper. We didn't do it for any reason other than ushering in a new era at Collingwood.

Port Adelaide Magpies had little issue with changing from this number:

http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Port-Adelaide-Heritage-2005.gif

To this number:

http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Port-Heritage-2004.gif

To emulating Collingwood's Black and White stripes, which we have ALWAYS worn.

The Port heritige jumpers from the 1800s are a bit different from dumping the good old collingwood home and away jumper that you wore5 or 6 years ago, or whenever. (and won a premiership) Did a sense of failure drive the spin department to dump the good old collingwood jumper like a bag of s***. "Inverted our colours" is spin like tripe, to try to get away with pinching another Aussie rules clubs jumper. Why always the spin ?

ps.. pavlich won you the game

 

[Frederlick]

I can't believe what a bee in their bonnett Power have about trying to work out what color their jumpers are. That fat chick called Fritz and Sauce (no, the picture is not an actual Avatar) spent half the afternoon babbling on about East Perth, I didn't even know Perth was big enough to have an east, I guess anything would be better than watching the Power get pumped by the Hawks, maybe it should jump back on the Powers site and work out how to win a game.I don't mind if Power supporters let their minds run free, it's just that they are a little bit too small to be out on their own.