List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[bomberman500]

I would of course be adding to our ruck stocks through the draft - a young 'to be developed' ruckman and a mature aged pick up. I would also probably try to eke one more year out of the Hille's Hoist - much like Collingwood is doing with Hudson / Jolly while Witts and Grundy come on.

Hooker is not a required player (we have ample KPD's ahead of him), so you're not losing massively if Boyd doesn't come up trumps. But most people would suggest Boyd's upside far outweighs the loss of a Hooker type player that we have cover for anyway.

In 5 years time people will be saying Boyd for Bellchambers and Hooker would have been an Essendon win. Sometimes, you've got to take the educated risk to get the greatest outcome

Were in our premiership window now, trading established players for a future prospect is not good list management. if your so intent on trading away established kpp, try and get established run-with mids. we could raid clubs who's windows have recently shut (dogs,saints etc) they will now be looking for draft picks while there 27-30 year olds will be looking for another premiership window. just look how hawthorn has added to their list post 08... Hale, gibson, gunston, burgoyne, lake. This IS the route we need to take. Monty, NDS, Griffen, Cooney, murphy would all be good additions, just have to find the right deal.
Even a gumby for yarran straight swap could add some extra run to our lineup

 

[TheDon35]

IMO NLM, Hille, probably Fletcher and Davis will be delisted / retired. I would be very surprised if one of Bellchambers, Gumby, Crameri, Hooker or Pears isn't traded out, more than likely for early picks or a midfielder.

Given the Wada situation, i don't think we'll have any picks in the first or second round. Just a suspicion but would be surprised if we did. Options would be to use one of these guys to bring in another quality mid or invest in an early draft pick.

I'd be loath to lose Bellchambers as we basically have all eggs in the ryder basket if that happens. If he does go, we may look to GWS and a young mid with a couple of years under his belt like Shiel. Would be a fair trade given the needs of both clubs. I think if Bell does go, Gumby would have to be retained as back up to Ryder.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Just heard on SEN that saints want a first round or a key defender in his prime for nick delsanto.

Would we flirt with the trade of Pears for Delsanto? An would saints consider it....

 

[eth-dog]

I wouldn't trade Pears for delsanto. I would however trade him for Dal Santo

 

[HirdyLannister]

Good to see the spelling police are in force . . .

 

[Old Campaigner]

Thin end of the wedge mate, if we don't keep up the standards we'll all be posting like Kern.

 

[eth-dog]

Good to see the spelling police are in force . . .

Just saying, it isn't hard to take out 1 minute to know how to spell a players name...

 

[Rancid Trogs]

Were in our premiership window now, trading established players for a future prospect is not good list management. if your so intent on trading away established kpp, try and get established run-with mids. we could raid clubs who's windows have recently shut (dogs,saints etc) they will now be looking for draft picks while there 27-30 year olds will be looking for another premiership window. just look how hawthorn has added to their list post 08... Hale, gibson, gunston, burgoyne, lake. This IS the route we need to take. Monty, NDS, Griffen, Cooney, murphy would all be good additions, just have to find the right deal.
Even a gumby for yarran straight swap could add some extra run to our lineup

How many flags have Hawthorn won since they started bringing in older players? None of Burgoyne, Hale or Gibson have thus far added to their Premiership of 2008. In fact, Hawthorn's lack of youth means it seriously could go downhill quickly with the impending retirements of an older list and the loss of Buddy. They don't have enough 'young' players pushing for spots and staggering the age of their list.

You need to be happy with what you've got (which we at Essendon are) and continually bring in new young talent to complement what you've got and ensure your side remains strong as the years go on and players retire.

 

[Yoda_]

How many flags have Hawthorn won since they started bringing in older players? None of Burgoyne, Hale or Gibson have thus far added to their Premiership of 2008. In fact, Hawthorn's lack of youth means it seriously could go downhill quickly with the impending retirements of an older list and the loss of Buddy. They don't have enough 'young' players pushing for spots and staggering the age of their list.

You need to be happy with what you've got (which we at Essendon are) and continually bring in new young talent to complement what you've got and ensure your side remains strong as the years go on and players retire.

The very best sides often have traded one big, influential 'in' into there side.

Our defficiencies aren't as bad to go and spend the house to cover it IMO.

 

[JR95]

The very best sides often have traded one big, influential 'in' into there side.

Our defficiencies aren't as bad to go and spend the house to cover it IMO.

Yeah but the thing is, Rancid Trogs is wanting us trade away players in which we don't have 1st team depth for in order to gain another player in an area that we already have 1st team depth in with Gumbleton and Daniher.

As much as we go on about the Hurley/Carlisle forward/back debate, I have always been of the opinion that Hurley looks the better forward and Carlisle looks the better backman, hell that is why Carlisle is being talked about for AA this year for christ sake. So the Hurley back debate should just stop because Hooker is playing too well to be traded or moved on for an unproven talent such as Boyd.

In my opinion Essendon should just focus on fitting all our players in the cap together and not chase anyone.

We should re-sign:

1. Bellchambers
2. Crameri
3. Winderlich

And look at delisting some of our rookies for new talent and just go through the draft with whatever picks we have to retain "youth" in the squad.

The only person up for trade should be Gumbleton only because I unfortunately don't see a spot for him in our 22 due to the Daniher factor.

 

[Zach Package]

I wouldn't trade Pears for delsanto. I would however trade him for Dal Santo

I don't want Dal, as good as he is.

Do we really want to have BJ, Stants, Watson AND Dal all going out at the same time and gutting our midfield?

I don't think we need him, we've already got a midfielder who's a former first rounder marinating in the magoos, and we're likely to add another at the end of the year.

He'd be a more appealing addition as a FA, but trading a very good player or a first rounder for him isn't appealing at all.

 

[slugger]

I don't want Dal, as good as he is.

Do we really want to have BJ, Stants, Watson AND Dal all going out at the same time and gutting our midfield?

I don't think we need him, we've already got a midfielder who's a former first rounder marinating in the magoos, and we're likely to add another at the end of the year.

He'd be a more appealing addition as a FA, but trading a very good player or a first rounder for him isn't appealing at all.

I wouldn't take Dal Santo (too similar to our others, and too old). I'd consider Cooney because he has excellent outside pace (condition of his knees is key here). I expect Gumby and Jetta to be traded out. Wouldn't be surprised if NLM retired. And there's alleged to be another player looking to leave on the ASADA bizzo on the say of his father. Wonder if it's Alex Browne.

 

[lenny2013]

I don't want Dal, as good as he is.

Do we really want to have BJ, Stants, Watson AND Dal all going out at the same time and gutting our midfield?

It's difficult one, Classy mids are hard to come by and if he fell into our lap through free agency it would be tempting for sure.

Geelong's set the bench mark for list management and now every clubs list managers/ supporters are casing the elusive 7+ year premiership window which would make this type of trade unpopular.

 

[bomberman500]

How many flags have Hawthorn won since they started bringing in older players? None of Burgoyne, Hale or Gibson have thus far added to their Premiership of 2008. In fact, Hawthorn's lack of youth means it seriously could go downhill quickly with the impending retirements of an older list and the loss of Buddy. They don't have enough 'young' players pushing for spots and staggering the age of their list.

You need to be happy with what you've got (which we at Essendon are) and continually bring in new young talent to complement what you've got and ensure your side remains strong as the years go on and players retire.

They haven't won any more flags because they have choked, looking at their list its a vast improvement on the 2008 side, they have always been a stones thrown away from the flag, and you cant tell me you wouldnt want lake, burgoyne, hale, gunston, gibson for the price hawthorn paid for them, how many times has sydney traded away its first and second round picks? trade away one or two picks a year for a seasoned player and use the rest on draft picks and hope you strike gold.

take the gibson trade for example
Gibson + pick 69 (Duryea) for pick 25 (black)/pick 41(kennedy) it suits both teams, exp for hawthorn, youth for a rebuilding NM
the idea of trading fringe players for picks for a side in their premiership window backfired for the hawks, trading away McGlynn and kennedy... do we really want to do the same??

 

[Zach Package]

They haven't won any more flags because they have choked, looking at their list its a vast improvement on the 2008 side, they have always been a stones thrown away from the flag, and you cant tell me you wouldnt want lake, burgoyne, hale, gunston, gibson for the price hawthorn paid for them, how many times has sydney traded away its first and second round picks? trade away one or two picks a year for a seasoned player and use the rest on draft picks and hope you strike gold.

take the gibson trade for example
Gibson + pick 69 (Duryea) for pick 25 (black)/pick 41(kennedy) it suits both teams, exp for hawthorn, youth for a rebuilding NM
the idea of trading fringe players for picks for a side in their premiership window backfired for the hawks, trading away McGlynn and kennedy... do we really want to do the same??

I'm all for improving us with top ups if you don't mortgage the future. Goddard didn't do that. Trading picks or players for Dal Santo would. Therefore no go in my book

 

[bomberman500]

It's difficult one, Classy mids are hard to come by and if he fell into our lap through free agency it would be tempting for sure.

Geelong's set the bench mark for list management and now every clubs list managers/ supporters are casing the elusive 7+ year premiership window which would make this type of trade unpopular.

It depends on our cap situation, Would the dogs be open to our first rounder plus young fringe player for one of griffen or cooney?? maybe, but those guys would still command big dollars. could we tempt one of bob murphy, joey montagna or NDS to come over for less money to chase a flag similar to Brian Lake (from what I understand took a pretty big paycut to cross to the hawks). surely a club like the dogs and saint realize it will be a good 4-5 years minimun before they can chase a flag again, the prospect of trading out 30+ year olds for first round picks or even and second round + young fringe player would tickle their fancy.

Pretty much imo we need to be strengthening our top 26 as opposed to drafting project players, they are for the later rounds in the draft. If we can find at least one diamond in the rough each year that will set us up for down the track.

Noting that without Watson and Hocking we let the dogs beat us in clearances and hard ball gets we need depth at inside mid, trading away a second rounder for an exp inside mid seems like a no-brainer imo

 

[bomberman500]

I'm all for improving us with top ups if you don't mortgage the future. Goddard didn't do that. Trading picks or players for Dal Santo would. Therefore no go in my book

drafting is still not an exact science, none of st.kilda's 2009 draft class are still on the books. we have 5 or six picks each year, plus rookie and pre-season drafts. trading away 1 or 2 picks isnt exactly mortgaging our future.
If we can get someone like brian lake for what the hawks did (Lake + 21 for 27+41) they went back 6 picks and gave up a late 2nd rounder. I call that a massive win for hawthorn

 

[eth-dog]

I think the answer is drafting depth inside midfielders for these situations. We don't need any more in the first side, the one thing we need is another player with outside class. Hopefully Daggers can provide that off the rookie list. Yoda_ would Wooffindin from Port Melbourne be an option?

 

[Zach Package]

drafting is still not an exact science, none of st.kilda's 2009 draft class are still on the books. we have 5 or six picks each year, plus rookie and pre-season drafts. trading away 1 or 2 picks isnt exactly mortgaging our future.
If we can get someone like brian lake for what the hawks did (Lake + 21 for 27+41) they went back 6 picks and gave up a late 2nd rounder. I call that a massive win for hawthorn

Fine for a team like Hawthorn who didn't have the depth (but injuries to Suckling and Schoenmakers have made him more crucial). We've got solid depth in every area of the ground, even Colyer, who some want to delist was one of our best on the weekend.

Bringing in a Dal Santo would just be depriving a kid of a place on the list, and of his place in the senior team

 

[bomberman500]

Fine for a team like Hawthorn who didn't have the depth (but injuries to Suckling and Schoenmakers have made him more crucial). We've got solid depth in every area of the ground, even Colyer, who some want to delist was one of our best on the weekend.

Bringing in a Dal Santo would just be depriving a kid of a place on the list, and of his place in the senior team

but we want our best 22 or even best 26 to be the strongest it can be, if the saints were happy with our second rounder + fringe mid for dal santo/joey and they were willing to take 200k a year to chase a flag would you take it?
As I said, im happy with our list atm but wouldnt turn down the chance to strengthen if the right offer came along

 

[TD_B52]

In the past few years I think the club has been looking long term, and avoiding quick fixes, a la doggies with aker and hall. When they left the club struggled and is still struggling to fill the void. The list we have can only get better, we're 3rd on the ladder at present, and from here, the only way is UP UP.

 

[lenny2013]

Bringing in a Dal Santo would just be depriving a kid of a place on the list, and of his place in the senior team

Yeah probably squeeze Ben Howlet out of the best 22, and knock someone off the list from the 2nds.

 

[Zach Package]

Yeah probably squeeze Ben Howlet out of the best 22, and knock someone off the list from the 2nds.

Is Dal capable of playing a defensive role, will he block for Watson like Howlett does? Doubtful.

I like the mix we currently have, adding another outside type would upset it too much

 

[Pweter]

We are never strong at the trade table these day and I can't see it changing this year. Our list is in an enviable position and we should look to keep as many players as possible.

As supporters I think we'd be better served focussing on the draft(s) and free agents.

Only delist those that are ready for retirement, only look to trade those that are out of contract and want to walk. The only way I can see us trading otherwise is due to salary cap pressure (which to me means we have landed another worthy free agent, we trade someone to give some cap relief for draft picks meaning we focus on the draft.... still)

 

[calyam]

Fine for a team like Hawthorn who didn't have the depth (but injuries to Suckling and Schoenmakers have made him more crucial). We've got solid depth in every area of the ground, even Colyer, who some want to delist was one of our best on the weekend.

Bringing in a Dal Santo would just be depriving a kid of a place on the list, and of his place in the senior team

When you reach your premiership window you shouldn't hesitate in bringing in someone who may only offer a few years but adds to your team. One of the Bombers weaknesses continues to be quality ball use, Dal Santo is a quality user of the ball and could add some value there.

Not that I'm saying we should definitely try to get him - I believe he has dropped off considerably in the past two seasons (aging? or reflecting a broader team decline? I don't know). I'm just saying that as our team gets better we should be open to trading or free agency if it increases the probability of getting our team over the line even a little bit.