Analysis "Players Hitting Targets"

[rustyg70]

A lot of it would come down to our players being to stagnant.
They need to run and create space so they kicker has a mobile target.
Too often as we are coming out of the backline, there is no one leading/ or leading to the wrong spaces, resulting in the long bomb to a contested situation.
Hopefully Grace, our new forward line coach, will bring back some sort of movement and leading patterns for our forwards to allow a target for the guys further up the field.
This is where Cloke needs to come into it.
Play him at CHF and let him roam between the arcs, running his player into the ground while doing so.

Another problem is last year we didn't have a lot over lap running to keep the ball moving.
Most of the time the players went back to kick over the man when we took a mark.
The better teams keep the ball moving with handball all the time, which doesn't allow the opposition to get back and man up or flood our forward line.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

A lot of it would come down to our players being to stagnant.
They need to run and create space so they kicker has a mobile target.
Too often as we are coming out of the backline, there is no one leading/ or leading to the wrong spaces, resulting in the long bomb to a contested situation.
Hopefully Grace, our new forward line coach, will bring back some sort of movement and leading patterns for our forwards to allow a target for the guys further up the field.
This is where Cloke needs to come into it.
Play him at CHF and let him roam between the arcs, running his player into the ground while doing so.

Another problem is last year we didn't have a lot over lap running to keep the ball moving.
Most of the time the players went back to kick over the man when we took a mark.
The better teams keep the ball moving with handball all the time, which doesn't allow the opposition to get back and man up or flood our forward line.

Maybe this is a game plan flaw. Quite a few times in the last two years I have noticed us deliberately slowing the game up when we are rebounding from half back. This also happens when we have a mark at half forward and are waiting for a kick inside 50. I wonder sometimes if this is a deliberate tactic or if we are too overrun by pressure to make a clean kick. Perhaps heing stagnant is a result of us poorly executing tempo footy and costing us any momentum building play.

 

[cleomenes]

Confidence is the crucial item in the overlap running too. The crucial advantage Hawthorn have over us is that their running players have total confidence that the ball getters will win their contests and then deliver the ball well. They run on this assumption, and they are mostly right to do so. When their extractors fall away, the endless criticism of one way running will start for them as it did for us.
A further point on our team's disposal is one I noticed i the later stages of Malthouse's tenancy. Passes were mostly directed in front of targets, with the ball bouncing before it got there frequently. I thought at the time that the instruction was to underkick rather than overkick and that it made sense. Thinking further, it seems that this was coaching for failure, and it may have been the start of the decline in the team's disposal performance overall. As I said previously, these things feed back on themselves, and are very difficult to reverse. It can, however, be done.

 

[rustyg70]

Maybe this is a game plan flaw. Quite a few times in the last two years I have noticed us deliberately slowing the game up when we are rebounding from half back. This also happens when we have a mark at half forward and are waiting for a kick inside 50. I wonder sometimes if this is a deliberate tactic or if we are too overrun by pressure to make a clean kick. Perhaps heing stagnant is a result of us poorly executing tempo footy and costing us any momentum building play.

This is where I'm hoping Steve Grace brings in a new tactic for our forward line.
The quicker the ball goes in there, the easier it would be for our forwards to create separation and provide a target.
Too many time we are bombing it to the goal square hoping Cloke can take the big grab.
If we had some overlap run, we can send it in quick or go for goal from the fifty with a person on the move.
Last year I'm sure most of our goals came from within 30 metres of the goal.
And a lot of them were scrambled or crumbed.
Most players can kick 50 on the run but struggle from a set shot due to not having enough momentum when kicking.
We also have players like Blair who think they can kick it from there.
He should be setting them up, or at the feet of the big men instead of trying and falling short, which in turn, allows the opposition a easy defensive punch through for a point, and then gaining control of the ball.

 

[Heir_Apparent]

We don't got Didak anymore.
Once a team loses the leagues number 1 kick, it's gonna be felt for a couple seasons.
Only kick I've seen that could rival Didak is Stevie J.

Give Fas some time, he's our next Didak, the kids only 22.
Remember how Dids was like Fas in his early years, only touched it 15 times a game but was always dangerous with it and gave us 1 or 2 igniting goals a game. Then he became an even more dangerous mid averaging 25 to 30 touches and was our most effective inside 50 kick.
I see Fas stepping up almost to Dids level in a few seasons.



I actually out of curiosity and to confirm my memories, double checked Dids stats and I was right.

Dids averaged 15 touches and 1.5 goals a game every season since his debut in 2001 until 2009.
2009 and 2010 he stepped up and started averaging 25 touches and 2 goals a game.
Coincidence our most lethal kick starts getting more of the footy and we all of a sudden win a GF?
I think not.
I believe in Fas 2017, build that tank.


Alex Fasolo - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Fasolo.html

Alan Didak - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alan_Didak.html

 

[regpies]

Decision making is more important than technical kicking skills.

Young is the perfect example of that, give me Ben Johnson any day over Young.

 

[regpies]

We don't got Didak anymore.
Once a team loses the leagues number 1 kick, it's gonna be felt for a couple seasons.
Only kick I've seen that could rival Didak is Stevie J.

Give Fas some time, he's our next Didak, the kids only 22.
Remember how Dids was like Fas in his early years, only touched it 15 times a game but was always dangerous with it and gave us 1 or 2 igniting goals a game. Then he became an even more dangerous mid averaging 25 to 30 touches and was our most effective inside 50 kick.
I see Fas stepping up almost to Dids level in a few seasons.



I actually out of curiosity and to confirm my memories, double checked Dids stats and I was right.

Dids averaged 15 touches and 1.5 goals a game every season since his debut in 2001 until 2009.
2009 and 2010 he stepped up and started averaging 25 touches and 2 goals a game.
Coincidence our most lethal kick starts getting more of the footy and we all of a sudden win a GF?
I think not.
I believe in Fas 2017, build that tank.


Alex Fasolo - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Fasolo.html

Alan Didak - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alan_Didak.html

Biggest thing we miss about Dids is his kicking into the forward line, he would actually hit the target in a tight space instead of kicking it to the forwards feet or over their head. Krakouer and Leon were also great from that 70m area from goal kicking to a forward 30-40m out on the lead.

 

[ace andy]

We don't got Didak anymore.
Once a team loses the leagues number 1 kick, it's gonna be felt for a couple seasons.
Only kick I've seen that could rival Didak is Stevie J.

Give Fas some time, he's our next Didak, the kids only 22.
Remember how Dids was like Fas in his early years, only touched it 15 times a game but was always dangerous with it and gave us 1 or 2 igniting goals a game. Then he became an even more dangerous mid averaging 25 to 30 touches and was our most effective inside 50 kick.
I see Fas stepping up almost to Dids level in a few seasons.



I actually out of curiosity and to confirm my memories, double checked Dids stats and I was right.

Dids averaged 15 touches and 1.5 goals a game every season since his debut in 2001 until 2009.
2009 and 2010 he stepped up and started averaging 25 touches and 2 goals a game.
Coincidence our most lethal kick starts getting more of the footy and we all of a sudden win a GF?
I think not.
I believe in Fas 2017, build that tank.


Alex Fasolo - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Fasolo.html

Alan Didak - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alan_Didak.html

I don't care what stats might say. Dids was always a super young talent and better than Fasolo at similar ages.

If Dids had of been on the market in his early years all other clubs would have loved to snag him. How many would chase after Fasolo?

 

[Markfs]

We don't got Didak anymore.
Once a team loses the leagues number 1 kick, it's gonna be felt for a couple seasons.
Only kick I've seen that could rival Didak is Stevie J.

Give Fas some time, he's our next Didak, the kids only 22.
Remember how Dids was like Fas in his early years, only touched it 15 times a game but was always dangerous with it and gave us 1 or 2 igniting goals a game. Then he became an even more dangerous mid averaging 25 to 30 touches and was our most effective inside 50 kick.
I see Fas stepping up almost to Dids level in a few seasons.



I actually out of curiosity and to confirm my memories, double checked Dids stats and I was right.

Dids averaged 15 touches and 1.5 goals a game every season since his debut in 2001 until 2009.
2009 and 2010 he stepped up and started averaging 25 touches and 2 goals a game.
Coincidence our most lethal kick starts getting more of the footy and we all of a sudden win a GF?
I think not.
I believe in Fas 2017, build that tank.


Alex Fasolo - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Fasolo.html

Alan Didak - http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alan_Didak.html

Didak had 19 kicks in 5 games in 2001
147 kicks in 19 games in 2002
177 kicks in 25 games in 2003
186 kicks in 18 games in 2004
105 kicks in 12 games in 2005
280 kicks in 23 games in 2006.......so about 12 a game
191 kicks in 18 games in 2007.....back to 10 a game
325 kicks in 18 games in 2008.........whew we finally got somewhere
358 kicks in 20 games in 2009....a second good year..
350 kicks in 24 games in 2010...and a third when it mattered..
238 kicks in 20 games in 2011....back down to about 11 a game..
130 kicks in 11 games in 2012...

Dreams are nice but I prefer reality...

 

[mike123]

I don't care what stats might say. Dids was always a super young talent and better than Fasolo at similar ages.

If Dids had of been on the market in his early years all other clubs would have loved to snag him. How many would chase after Fasolo?

Also Didak was pick 3 and Fasolo was pick 45

 

[Kilmo]

So many times last season I just felt that if we would stop kicking it to the ****ing opposition we would be OK.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Bit of both. You can be an amazing kick, but if the player you're kicking to is under pressure or can't mark worth a shit, then your kick suddenly doesn't look as good does it? It's when you can not only spot, but hit that target no one else can see (or knows is there) that the truly great players/kicks come to the fore.

Pendlebury is this especially with handballs. It's like he sees things about 5 seconds before they happen. F**king unbelievable.

 

[jackcass]

Our players are lazy and stop running to create an easy option. Hawthorn players keep moving and get themselves into good position for their teammates, be it through footpass to handball.

Because we are stagnant, kicks are usually to a contest or under pressure.

I think that's more a reflection of the "lack fitness" paradigm than being "lazy" although there are a few on the list who aren't as commited to working defensively as they are offensively.

 

[jackcass]

Witts and Grundy don't offer contested marking consistently but they've shown glimpses. It'll improve with time.

Witts in particular seemed to turn the corner in this area late in 2014. Game against the Hawks clunked a couple of ripper contested marks.

 

[rustyg70]

Pendlebury is this especially with handballs. It's like he sees things about 5 seconds before they happen. F**king unbelievable.

I remember when they use to say that about Dal Santo.
When Pendles came in he made it look like Dal Santo was always rushed.
His awareness is the best in the league by a fair way.

I knew we had something special from early on in his career when he stole the ball off a player when he was laying on the ground.
The player ran about 10 metres before realising he had been stripped of the ball.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I remember when they use to say that about Dal Santo.
When Pendles came in he made it look like Dal Santo was always rushed.
His awareness is the best in the league by a fair way.

I knew we had something special from early on in his career when he stole the ball off a player when he was laying on the ground.
The player ran about 10 metres before realising he had been stripped of the ball.

That was Paul Williams he stole that ball from...

 

[rustyg70]

That was Paul Williams he stole that ball from...

Ahh, thanks for that.
It would've pissed me off all day trying to remember who it was.
I knew it was a decent player.
I had Ablett stuck in my head for some reason.

 

[PTpie]

Maybe this is a game plan flaw. Quite a few times in the last two years I have noticed us deliberately slowing the game up when we are rebounding from half back. This also happens when we have a mark at half forward and are waiting for a kick inside 50. I wonder sometimes if this is a deliberate tactic or if we are too overrun by pressure to make a clean kick. Perhaps being stagnant is a result of us poorly executing tempo footy and costing us any momentum building play.

I don't think it is completely game plan related. It seems more a confidence issue. When we start well we seem to have ridiculous amounts of energy and have multiple overlap options. Players seem to be streaming up the ground in two's and three's. When we are grinding the game out out or falling behind we are static and seem to hold "space". We don't man up and we don't run on, we just hold our particular area of space on the ground and go from there.

Often it seems like our game plan is so regimented the players can't think outside the square and feel compelled to do what they've been told over what they instinctually know is right. Watching games when we are losing and seeing opposition players running freely into open space while our guys defend another area of space was like watching under 5's footy.

 

[Vicky Park]

I knew we had something special from early on in his career when he stole the ball off a player when he was laying on the ground.
The player ran about 10 metres before realising he had been stripped of the ball.

The famous 'Hand of God' incident:

 

[Fruit]

Didak had 19 kicks in 5 games in 2001
147 kicks in 19 games in 2002
177 kicks in 25 games in 2003
186 kicks in 18 games in 2004
105 kicks in 12 games in 2005
280 kicks in 23 games in 2006.......so about 12 a game
191 kicks in 18 games in 2007.....back to 10 a game
325 kicks in 18 games in 2008.........whew we finally got somewhere
358 kicks in 20 games in 2009....a second good year..
350 kicks in 24 games in 2010...and a third when it mattered..
238 kicks in 20 games in 2011....back down to about 11 a game..
130 kicks in 11 games in 2012...

Dreams are nice but I prefer reality...

I like this. Stats can be misleading. If a top order test batsman averaged 37.5 you'd say he hadn't done enough to hold his spot but if you said he would make 50 runs in 3 out of 4 innings you'd take it. 50, 50, 50 & 0 would be an average of 37.5. It's better to look further into figures when making judgement.

 

[Markfs]

I like this. Stats can be misleading. If a top order test batsman averaged 37.5 you'd say he hadn't done enough to hold his spot but if you said he would make 50 runs in 3 out of 4 innings you'd take it. 50, 50, 50 & 0 would be an average of 37.5. It's better to look further into figures when making judgement.

Stats can be very misleading if you make them up. The stats that I posted were from the records. I wouldnt be saying that Didak averaged 15 touches a game early in his career and then increased it to 25 because.........it wasn't true....simple as that.

Its a bit like saying a batsman who scored 50, 50, 0 and 50....has averaged 75.

 

[mike123]

Dreams are nice but I prefer reality...

Can you explain?

 

[Fruit]

Stats can be very misleading if you make them up. The stats that I posted were from the records. I wouldnt be saying that Didak averaged 15 touches a game early in his career and then increased it to 25 because.........it wasn't true....simple as that.

Its a bit like saying a batsman who scored 50, 50, 0 and 50....has averaged 75.

Think we are on the same page aren't we? I share your view on stats. Break them down and you get the real picture. Plus of course be accurate.


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[Markfs]

Can you explain?

I prefer real premierships to predicted premierships in bigfooty...

 

[Markfs]

Think we are on the same page aren't we? I share your view on stats. Break them down and you get the real picture. Plus of course be accurate.


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Yeh I think so. I think Didak was a fine player but I think he started very slowly because I dont think he was gifted athletically. It took him a while to gain enough confidence to outsmart the opposition. When you look at it, he was averaging 10 kicks a week 6 years into his career. I'm sure there were plenty of posts on BF at the time to trade him....